Internationalism: Where can I find some?

[Politruk]

Global unification should be the highest ultimate goal of all persons of good will and reasonable mind. Nationalism, even in its most seemingly harmless forms, is one of the most pernicious evils ever to afflict humanity.

The one thing that was always appealing about Communism was its internationalism. Granted, Communists in power have always acted like nationalists, putting their own country's interests ahead of any considerations of international proletarian solidarity. But at least they were internationalist in principle.

With Communism reduced to irrelevance, what internationalist political forces remain? All I can see is a purely economic globalism, expressed in free-trade treaties like NAFTA, that only benefits the business interests and does not even tend in the direction of creating a world government.

 

[Politruk]

H.G. Wells was an important internationalist.

See George Orwell's 1941 essay "Wells, Hitler, and the World State."

 

[UltraChad]

Global unification should be the highest ultimate goal of all persons of good will and reasonable mind.

Why? Global authoritarianism is dog shit and can lick my nationalist boots. USA!! USA!! USA!!!

Nationalism, even in its most seemingly harmless forms, is one of the most pernicious evils ever to afflict humanity.

Nah, that would be socialism.

The one thing that was always appealing about Communism was its internationalism.

There isn't anything appealing about communism or internationalism.

With Communism reduced to irrelevance, what internationalist political forces remain? All I can see is a purely economic globalism, expressed in free-trade treaties like NAFTA, that only benefits the business interests and does not even tend in the direction of creating a world government.

Because communism sucks and globalism is failing......humanity isn't a bee hive, get over it.

 

[Politruk]

Why?

No wars, just to start with.

 

[UltraChad]

No wars, just to start with.

LOL, yea right.

Civil war is still war. Individuals are a thing, humanity is not a bee hive.

 

[Politruk]

LOL, yea right.

Civil war is still war. Individuals are a thing, humanity is not a bee hive.

Individuals have nothing to do with nations.

 

[UltraChad]

Individuals have nothing to do with nations.

Of course they do, nations are groups of individuals.

Again, humans are not bees....why is that so hard for you to understand?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Check Iran. The Ayatollah is really into internationalism.

 

[Politruk]

Of course they do, nations are groups of individuals.

The whole of humanity is just as much a group of individuals.

Again, humans are not bees....why is that so hard for you to understand?

Looking at it from that point of view might be relevant to anarchism or objectivism -- but not to nationalism. A beehive is analogous to a nation, and the most extreme nationalists -- the fascists -- want the nation organized like a beehive, with no individualism.

 

[UltraChad]

The whole of humanity is just as much a group of individuals.

Nope, because the whole of humanity does not have aligned interest.

Looking at it from that point of view might be relevant to anarchism or objectivism -- but not to nationalism. A beehive is analogous to a nation.

It's relevant to the human condition no matter how much you try to ignore it. So no a beehive is not analogous to a nation, because people are not bees.

 

[Politruk]

Nope, because the whole of humanity does not have aligned interest.

Of course it does.

 

[UltraChad]

Of course it does.

Then why do we not already have the globo-commie utopia??

Reality seems to just shit all over your delusion that it does.

 

[Politruk]

Then why do we not already have the globo-commie utopia??

Reality seems to just shit all over your delusion that it does.

Political developments do not always follow aligned interests. Consider how many working-class Americans freely and repeatedly vote against their own interests.

 

[Politruk]

With Communism reduced to irrelevance, what internationalist political forces remain?

Does anybody know?

 

[UltraChad]

Political developments do not always follow aligned interests.

Not always, but most of the time they do.

Consider how many working-class Americans freely and repeatedly vote against their own interests.

I agree, voting for democrats has got them nothing but burned and hung out to dry. They seem pretty unable to learn from this last election too.

 

[Politruk]

With Communism reduced to irrelevance, what internationalist political forces remain?

Does anybody know?

 

[UltraChad]

Does anybody know?

The EU, CCP and DNC....this isn't hard.

 

[Politruk]

The EU, CCP and DNC....this isn't hard.

Not very internationalist, except maybe for the EU.

 

[UltraChad]

Not very internationalist, except maybe for the EU.

They are all ultra-globalist anti-nationalist.....how retarded are you exactly??

 

[Politruk]

They are all ultra-globalist anti-nationalist.....how retarded are you exactly??

See the OP -- they're only globalist in the free-trade sense. We'll never get a world government out of that.

The CCP is extremely nationalist -- that's why they're trying to turn the Uighurs of Xinjiang into Han Chinese. They're more nationalist than Communist, now -- note that when they make their demands on Taiwan, they always say, "Taiwan is historically a province of China." They never say, "We must liberate the workers of Taiwan from their capitalist exploiters."

 

[UltraChad]

See the OP -- they're only globalist in the free-trade sense. We'll never get a world government out of that.

They're still pushing for it though.

Just like Democrats.

The CCP is extremely nationalist -- that's why they're trying to turn the Uighurs of Xinjiang into Han Chinese. They're more nationalist than Communist, now -- note that when they make their demands on Taiwan, they always say, "Taiwan is historically a province of China." They never say, "We must liberate the workers of Taiwan from their capitalist exploiters."

Only in that they aren't openly self loathing the way the the DNC/EU are.

That doesn't make them nationalist.

 

[Politruk]

Only in that they aren't openly self loathing the way the the DNC/EU are.

That doesn't make them nationalist.

Trying to suppress non-Han national identities does make the CCP nationalist.

 

[UltraChad]

Trying to suppress non-Han national identities does make the CCP nationalist.

No it makes them racist. Not nationalist.

Pretty standard lefties in that regard.

Nationalist put the nation states interest above all else. CCP doesn't do that. They put the parties image above all else.

 

[Politruk]

No it makes them racist. Not nationalist.

There is no meaningful difference.

 

[UltraChad]

There is no meaningful difference.

If you're a fucking retard who doesn't understand what words mean...sure.