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Interesting article on theb "Immigration Ban"

Hardly a balanced article. It has a distinct anti-Trumpista bent. Completely on the straight and level but hardly 'balanced'.
 
I found this line interesting: the administration is deliberately testing the limits of governmental checks and balances to set up a self-serving, dangerous consolidation of power.
Reminded me of Obama in his second term, basically just rewriting immigration law as he went along with no input from Congress. Odd how the DoJ didn't intervene.
So I don't see Trump breaking new ground here. As a matter of fact, the vetting is perfectly legal and within the limits of established law.
 
OldJourno said:
I found this line interesting: the administration is deliberately testing the limits of governmental checks and balances to set up a self-serving, dangerous consolidation of power.
Reminded me of Obama in his second term, basically just rewriting immigration law as he went along with no input from Congress. Odd how the DoJ didn't intervene.
So I don't see Trump breaking new ground here. As a matter of fact, the vetting is perfectly legal and within the limits of established law.
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NO!

While it is true that President Obama did a lot to extend and perhaps even abuse the scope of the powers of the Executive branch that is not equivalent to what is happening here.

There is a difference between exhausting all established methods for advancing an agenda and only then seeking a way around politically driven roadblocks, which is what Obama did as much as I do not like what he did, and this activity, which is the deliberate testing of fractures and weak spots in the system for the purpose of destabilizing the system itself.

Do you see the difference?
 
Greypowerful said:
This may "tank" here, as it's quite balanced...

https://medium.com/@jakefuentes/the-immigration-ban-is-a-headfake-and-were-falling-for-it-b8910e78f0c5#.4eq8j8oe6
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1. I don't think there is any evidence that Trump himself or any of the people around him have the intelligence to be that nuanced in implementing a "visionary" program of fascism. I'm not saying they might not be that depraved, just not sufficiently Machiavellian. As Virgil "The Turk" Sollozzo said to Michael Corleone, "You think too much of me, kid. I'm not that clever."

2. Plenty of coverage has been given to Bannon's appointment to the NSC. It is speciously naive to believe these type of significant moves, whether benign or otherwise motivated, are going to be overlooked.

Just my change from the nickel.
 
Colonel Hogan said:
1. I don't think there is any evidence that Trump himself or any of the people around him have the intelligence to be that nuanced in implementing a "visionary" program of fascism. I'm not saying they might not be that depraved, just not sufficiently Machiavellian. As Virgil "The Turk" Sollozzo said to Michael Corleone, "You think too much of me, kid. I'm not that clever."
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Indeed. As John Scalzi writes:

2. I’m feeling many things about the Trump administration, but I have to admit one of the primary emotions I am feeling is a deep and abiding embarrassment. I’m embarrassed that my president and his administration are clearly malign, but I’m also embarrassed that they are so clearly incompetent. These people are both ignorant and stupid, and while on one hand that’s a silver lining — it blunts the effectiveness of the previously-mentioned malignancy — on the other hand the fact that a great nation installed these bumptious yahoos in the first place says very little good about us.

3. This is also why I am mildly exasperated at the idea floating about, that the fumbling bullshit nonsense these numpties are up to represents 11-dimensional super-chess political moves. Folks, no. Really, just, no. If they were 11-dimensional super-chess masters, they wouldn’t have had a negative polling rating eight days into their administration; they’d instead have made us delighted to waltz down the path to a comfortable and complacent fascism. But they didn’t, because they can’t, because they’re not that smart. A White House that spends four days litigating the size of an inauguration crowd is not a clutch of masterminds. Masterminds wouldn’t have given a shit about how many people showed up on the goddamn National Mall.

But don’t you see, Scalzi? All of this is distraction from their true mastermind evil plans! Folks, you realize that needing these jackasses to be masterminds is a form of vanity, yes? We couldn’t have possibly chosen to be ruled by custard-headed bigots who can’t find their asses with GPS and an Eagle Scout! They must be smarter than that! Well, no, they’re really not, and yes, we really did. There are lots of ways to explain that — I favor the whole “the GOP’s decades-long plan to undermine its voters’ dedication to truth and public institutions really paid off” angle of things personally — without having to haul out the 11-dimensional chess board.

<snip>

5. What about Bannon? He’s smart, right? Well, he appears to be the smartest person in the White House right now, which is not the same as actually smart. But inasmuch as his personal philosophy appears to be “I’m a bigot and I have a box of matches” and he’s found a useful idiot in Trump, he’s definitely a problem. Is he the actual president, a la Cheney? He’s certainly got his hand up Trump’s ass, and he and Putin seem to be having a thumb war around the vicinity of Trump’s epiglottis in order to see whose turn it is to work the puppet. I think it’s self-evident that Bannon’s a racist piece of shit who shouldn’t be anywhere near the White House, but I also thought it was a self-evident Donald Trump was a racist piece of shit who shouldn’t be anywhere near the White House, too, and look where that got us.

Bannon’s reflexive racism and anti-semitism makes the Trump administration do stupid things, a fine example being it offering up a release on Holocaust Remembrance Day that somehow didn’t manage to mention the Jews, i.e., the principal targets of the Holocaust and the reason the Nazis built out the entire apparatus of the Holocaust. When called on it, the White House offered the same rhetorical line — “well, others suffered in the Holocaust, too” — that Holocaust deniers use to minimize the extent of the atrocity done to the Jews. Bannon’s fingerprints are all over this, and it’s appalling both that the White House put out a release like this, and that it either didn’t realize that everyone would see the dog whistle to America’s home-grown Nazis… or it didn’t care whether everyone saw it or not. Either, to me, is all Bannon; neither is especially smart.
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This isn't an article, it's an editorial. An opinion piece. And the writing is shit. I can't read badly written crap like this; one paragraph was all I could do.
 
Naaa.. Its the disturbed imaginative production of someone unequipped to see the "President's intentions".

And he admits it.
 
BoyNextDoor said:
NO!

While it is true that President Obama did a lot to extend and perhaps even abuse the scope of the powers of the Executive branch that is not equivalent to what is happening here.

There is a difference between exhausting all established methods for advancing an agenda and only then seeking a way around politically driven roadblocks, which is what Obama did as much as I do not like what he did, and this activity, which is the deliberate testing of fractures and weak spots in the system for the purpose of destabilizing the system itself.

Do you see the difference?
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I see a president who is following the law.
 
Greypowerful said:
Thanks for your input, __________ .
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(My real name was posted in the blank as a threat, due to my sin of having a different opinion)

Reported.

And what is this supposed to do exactly? Your revenge against me for not liking the editorial you posted is to post my name... what does this accomplish? The link is still shit. And you still can't tell the difference between an unbiased news article and a moron flailing away at a typewriter.

What have you accomplished with this trolling? Someone will find me and leave a flaming bag of shit on my doorstep? Someone will contact my job and have me fired for posting on this silly website? Someone will call my mom and make her cry?

Go fuck yourself, you pussy (and traitor). You would be better served knitting a pink hat to wear. You are a nothing, a nobody, so you hope posting my name will be a win for you. You are a loser and a failure at life. You know it, and I know it. Look around the room in which you are right now. Cry yourself to sleep as always. Then post my name again in the morning because fellow losers will think that makes you a badass.
 
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LadyFunkenstein said:
Reported.

And what is this supposed to do exactly? Your revenge against me for not liking the editorial you posted is to post my name... what does this accomplish? The link is still shit. And you still can't tell the difference between an unbiased news article and a moron flailing away at a typewriter.

What have you accomplished with this trolling? Someone will find me and leave a flaming bag of shit on my doorstep? Someone will contact my job and have me fired for posting on this silly website? Someone will call my mom and make her cry?

Go fuck yourself, you pussy (and traitor). You would be better served knitting a pink hat to wear. You are a nothing, a nobody, so you hope posting my name will be a win for you. You are a loser and a failure at life. You know it, and I know it. Look around the room in which you are right now. Cry yourself to sleep as always. Then post my name again in the morning because fellow losers will think that makes you a badass.
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Such an angry, nasty woman...
 
What a pile of shit. To post someone's name just because his delicate sensibilities were offended by her tone.
She might occasionally put her point across a bit more bluntly, but I learned more from her than from any of you turds put all together.
 
LadyFunkenstein said:
Reported.

And what is this supposed to do exactly? Your revenge against me for not liking the editorial you posted is to post my name... what does this accomplish? The link is still shit. And you still can't tell the difference between an unbiased news article and a moron flailing away at a typewriter.

What have you accomplished with this trolling? Someone will find me and leave a flaming bag of shit on my doorstep? Someone will contact my job and have me fired for posting on this silly website? Someone will call my mom and make her cry?

Go fuck yourself, you pussy (and traitor). You would be better served knitting a pink hat to wear. You are a nothing, a nobody, so you hope posting my name will be a win for you. You are a loser and a failure at life. You know it, and I know it. Look around the room in which you are right now. Cry yourself to sleep as always. Then post my name again in the morning because fellow losers will think that makes you a badass.
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Lighten up, LadyF. Not defending him, but, don't be so sour all the time. This forum can be a lot more fun than you're letting it be for you.
 
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