Intelligent Design Revisted

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Design for Confusion
By Paul Krugman
The New York Times

Friday 05 August 2005

I'd like to nominate Irving Kristol, the neoconservative former editor of The Public Interest, as the father of "intelligent design." No, he didn't play any role in developing the doctrine. But he is the father of the political strategy that lies behind the intelligent design movement - a strategy that has been used with great success by the economic right and has now been adopted by the religious right.

Back in 1978 Mr. Kristol urged corporations to make "philanthropic contributions to scholars and institutions who are likely to advocate preservation of a strong private sector." That was delicately worded, but the clear implication was that corporations that didn't like the results of academic research, however valid, should support people willing to say something more to their liking.

Mr. Kristol led by example, using The Public Interest to promote supply-side economics, a doctrine whose central claim - that tax cuts have such miraculous positive effects on the economy that they pay for themselves - has never been backed by evidence. He would later concede, or perhaps boast, that he had a "cavalier attitude toward the budget deficit."

"Political effectiveness was the priority," he wrote in 1995, "not the accounting deficiencies of government."

Corporations followed his lead, pouring a steady stream of money into think tanks that created a sort of parallel intellectual universe, a world of "scholars" whose careers are based on toeing an ideological line, rather than on doing research that stands up to scrutiny by their peers.

You might have thought that a strategy of creating doubt about inconvenient research results could work only in soft fields like economics. But it turns out that the strategy works equally well when deployed against the hard sciences.

The most spectacular example is the campaign to discredit research on global warming. Despite an overwhelming scientific consensus, many people have the impression that the issue is still unresolved. This impression reflects the assiduous work of conservative think tanks, which produce and promote skeptical reports that look like peer-reviewed research, but aren't. And behind it all lies lavish financing from the energy industry, especially ExxonMobil.

There are several reasons why fake research is so effective. One is that nonscientists sometimes find it hard to tell the difference between research and advocacy - if it's got numbers and charts in it, doesn't that make it science?

Even when reporters do know the difference, the conventions of he-said-she- aid journalism get in the way of conveying that knowledge to readers. I once joked that if President Bush said that the Earth was flat, the headlines of news articles would read, "Opinions Differ on Shape of the Earth." The headlines on many articles about the intelligent design controversy come pretty close.

Finally, the self-policing nature of science - scientific truth is determined by peer review, not public opinion - can be exploited by skilled purveyors of cultural resentment. Do virtually all biologists agree that Darwin was right? Well, that just shows that they're elitists who think they're smarter than the rest of us.

Which brings us, finally, to intelligent design. Some of America's most powerful politicians have a deep hatred for Darwinism. Tom DeLay, the House majority leader, blamed the theory of evolution for the Columbine school shootings. But sheer political power hasn't been enough to get creationism into the school curriculum. The theory of evolution has overwhelming scientific support, and the country isn't ready - yet - to teach religious doctrine in public schools.

But what if creationists do to evolutionary theory what corporate interests did to global warming: create a widespread impression that the scientific consensus has shaky foundations?

Creationists failed when they pretended to be engaged in science, not religious indoctrination: "creation science" was too crude to fool anyone.

But intelligent design, which spreads doubt about evolution without being too overtly religious, may succeed where creation science failed.

The important thing to remember is that like supply-side economics or global- arming skepticism, intelligent design doesn't have to attract significant support from actual researchers to be effective. All it has to do is create confusion, to make it seem as if there really is a controversy about the validity of evolutionary theory. That, together with the political muscle of the religious right, may be enough to start a process that ends with banishing Darwin from the classroom.
 
Now, that's no fair.

You can't leave in the midst of a discussion and start another thread!

:)
 
sorry, Sarahh, but I thought this was a rather good article in the NY Times.

It seemed to be timely, and I'm going to try to keep my nose clean on this thread. I've made enough enemies already.

I didn't want to post my own opinion, just what I read in the Times.

I must admit, though, it does make some of the points I was trying, badly I know, to make: ie, that this isn't a discussion about science it is about right wing religion and politics trying to capture control of the agenda again.
 
If that's the case, intelligent design will fail just as creationism did.

Much of the creationist's propaganda was designed to make it look like there was disagreement amongst people in science over whether evolution occurred or not.

One of the biggest proponents of creation science did have a PhD at the end of his name.

But if you looked closely, the PhD was in hydrology, what ever that is.

But most people are impressed by letters at the end of a person's name.
 
"...Post a quote? No ... intelligent offer. yourself?...'


Point well made Charley, theBullet has nothing to offer of himself, just quotes, as he cannot defend anything he proposes....


"...I must admit, though, it does make some of the points I was trying, badly I know, to make: ie, that this isn't a discussion about science it is about right wing religion and politics trying to capture control of the agenda again..."



It isn't that, theBullet, Andrew Wiggins, is totally wrong about many things he posts, it is just that he is inconsistent and without research or foundation for his assumptions.

And then when his rants get personal and filled with vitriol, most can observe that he operates from emotion and not reason; which is rather a turn-off to most rational people.

The 'right wing agenda' is merely an attempt to recover from a 'left wing agenda' that has reigned supreme for over half a century. Get over it, Andrew, grow up, wise up, the next half century belongs to reason and rationality, not faith and socialism.

The right wing fundamentalist christian pukes, just that, pukes; a means to an end.

You should be smart enough to know that. God really is dead.

amicus...
 
I wear any criticism from Amicus as a badge of honor.

Forgive him, Lord, for he knows not what the fuck he's talkin' about.
 
thebullet said:
I wear any criticism from Amicus as a badge of honor.

Forgive him, Lord, for he knows not what the fuck he's talkin' about.

:cathappy:
 
ah, sweetsubsarah, with an extra 'h', who is not an android, I have a daughter named, Sarah....but, never mind... to be in coherts with the likes of theBullet, should make you as comfortable as a bug in a rug of socialable socialilists and thas probly a good thing for a group grope with no consciousness.

faith is a good thing for you groupies...


amicus...
 
I have never been able to understand why belief in a creator and acceptance of evolutionary theory should be at odds with each other. If you start from the premise that someone or something created known existence (and what we don't know either) all you're arguing about is how.
 
SlickTony said:
I have never been able to understand why belief in a creator and acceptance of evolutionary theory should be at odds with each other. If you start from the premise that someone or something created known existence (and what we don't know either) all you're arguing about is how.


They aren't tony. I would put it like polls that showed 65% of the populace would vote for anyone running against Bush pre nomination of Kerry. Once you fil in the blank with someone, things change. Evolutionary theory has no problem with a creator, because frankly, until there are enough species to diversify, it has nothing to say. Likewise belief in a creator has nothing to say about how he does it.

In specific though, The Bible says god created all the species and Man and that man was to be master over them. So specific religions and sects of religions with a particular interpretation of the holy texts will find thier VERSION of a creator and creation myth at odds with evolutionary theory.
 
SlickTony said:
I have never been able to understand why belief in a creator and acceptance of evolutionary theory should be at odds with each other. If you start from the premise that someone or something created known existence (and what we don't know either) all you're arguing about is how.
You may believe anything you wish, from evolution, to creationism, to being found under a cabbage leaf.

It is only when you try to force everybody else to believe exactly the same way you do (or shut up about it if they can't) that trouble arises.
 
Virtual_Burlesque said:
You may believe anything you wish, from evolution, to creationism, to being found under a cabbage leaf.

It is only when you try to force everybody else to believe exactly the same way you do (or shut up about it if they can't) that trouble arises.

Gasp!

You commie!

:cathappy:
 
VB Said:
You may believe anything you wish, from evolution, to creationism, to being found under a cabbage leaf.

Commie or not, you are of course absolutely correct: with the codical that if you intend to teach those beliefs in schools and call it "SCIENCE" you better have a mountain of firmly established and testable scientific data backing up your beliefs.

Otherwise, shut the heck up and just teach it to your obediant little hellions in sunday school.
 
amicus said:
And then when his rants get personal and filled with vitriol, most can observe that he operates from emotion and not reason; which is rather a turn-off to most rational people.

LOL. Pots and kettles don't get much blacker.
 
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