Inferiority Complex?

[sr71plt]

OK, I can see it's a tough, "why bother," crowd here. Nice congenial, welcoming bunch. (note to self--start voting more nastily--and stop bothering to even read the stories I vote.)

 

[NoJo]

OK, I can see it's a tough, "why bother," crowd here. Nice congenial, welcoming bunch. (note to self--start voting more nastily--and stop bothering to even read the stories I vote.)

Most of the authors here have been through exactly what you're going through. I'm surprised that you've had such an unsympathetic response, frankly.

 

[WARNINGWARNING]

OK, I can see it's a tough, "why bother," crowd here. Nice congenial, welcoming bunch. (note to self--start voting more nastily--and stop bothering to even read the stories I vote.)

hmmmm

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

Most of the authors here have been through exactly what you're going through. I'm surprised that you've had such an unsympathetic response, frankly.

I'm not (surprised that is). There's always a couple of people on the AH who think lamenting low scores is a horrible thing to do.

The fact of the matter is, scores do matter to some people, and when they get scores they feel are lower than their stories deserves, they want to vent about it. I don't understand why some get their drawers in such a wad over it (the venting).

 

[Lauren Hynde]

OK, I can see it's a tough, "why bother," crowd here. Nice congenial, welcoming bunch. (note to self--start voting more nastily--and stop bothering to even read the stories I vote.)

Another point in favour of anonymous commentators all over the world.

 

[sr71plt]

"I'm surprised that you've had such an unsympathetic response, frankly."

Thanks--and I'm sure it's probably the newbie thing; expecting a congenial group. Maybe it's because two-thirds of my stories have gone hot; or maybe its a cycle of the moon thing. Whatever, I know now to shut up.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I'm not (surprised that is). There's always a couple of people on the AH who think lamenting low scores is a horrible thing to do.

The fact of the matter is, scores do matter to some people, and when they get scores they feel are lower than their stories deserves, they want to vent about it. I don't understand why some get their drawers in such a wad over it (the venting).

In my case, I have nothing against people who lament their low scores. It's natural.

My peeve is with those who immediately assume that low scores must obviously be result of foul play, and from other authors, even. I mean, it can't possibly be that readers exist that don't appreciate the genius of my brilliantly crafted masterpiece, can it? (That was definitely rhetorical.)

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

In my case, I have nothing against people who lament their low scores. It's natural.

My peeve is with those who immediately assume that low scores must obviously be result of foul play, and from other authors, even. I mean, it can't possibly be that readers exist that don't appreciate the genius of my brilliantly crafted masterpiece, can it? (That was definitely rhetorical.)

The fact of the matter is, troll votes on this site are rampant (and yes, unfortunately, some of them come from other authors.) I honestly don't think there are many legitimate readers out there who give a story a one just because they don't think it deserves an H. There are other votes on the spectrum that are more fitting.

This is the last I'm going to say in this matter. It's obvious we have different views so there's no point in me continuing to bash my head against the wall.

 

[NoJo]

"I'm surprised that you've had such an unsympathetic response, frankly."

Thanks--and I'm sure it's probably the newbie thing; expecting a congenial group. Maybe it's because two-thirds of my stories have gone hot; or maybe its a cycle of the moon thing. Whatever, I know now to shut up.

On the other hand I think if you stopped boasting about your stories the whole time, you'd appear slightly less of a ninny.

 

[sr71plt]

"On the other hand I think if you stopped boasting about your stories the whole time, you'd appear slightly less of a ninny."

Yes, that's true, of course. And serves me right to have it pointed out. Strangely, though, I don't feel the ninny in this.

 

[TheeGoatPig]

The fact of the matter is, troll votes on this site are rampant (and yes, unfortunately, some of them come from other authors.) I honestly don't think there are many legitimate readers out there who give a story a one just because they don't think it deserves an H. There are other votes on the spectrum that are more fitting.

This is the last I'm going to say in this matter. It's obvious we have different views so there's no point in me continuing to bash my head against the wall.

Oh, I've done it. I read this piss poor piece of trash (I don't remember what, this was last year sometime) that I have no idea how it got so well rated. It was poorly written, with poor grammar, poor pacing, poor structure, inconsistancies, ill used words and such all over the place. It was like reading one of my bad dreams. I rated it zero just to knocj it down a peg. I really believe in what I did, and it was worth it.

But yes, I understand your point, and mostly agree with you.

 

[kendo1]

Welcome to the AH sr.

You've touched a sore point, methinks.
We've all had 'bad' votes here, and it hurts.
(Apart from me, of course. No-one reads mine anyway!)
If only Ogg was here... An average score of 3 would have him jumping up and down with glee.
There are a few hard heads around here, but don't worry; they get troll votes too.
And before I forget...

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[CrimsonMaiden]

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[sr71plt]

"Inside me lives a skinny woman crying to get out. But I can usually shut the bitch up with cookies."

*Munch* *munch* Why, yes, that did help, thanks.

 

[FallingToFly]

Give constructive criticism, humbly.

I was not amused by the trolls nor the deserved 1's

Thank you.

There is a difference between offering constructive criticism and a genuine hand up and simply tearing someone else apart because you, in the end, don't feel arsed to do anything that is inconvenient to you.

There's a great deal of talk in the forums about "constructive criticism" and it's seldom the same thing from person to person. If I had more time, I would go back to doing some editing for more than just the few friends I work with now. I don't. I don't assume anyone else has the time either- but I'm not going to slam and shit all over a new author just because they need some editing skills.

I'll point out what I can, where I can- and I swear that if anyone ever hears me telling a newbie to grow some balls, or any other such thing, in reference to their writing- you have my permission to beat me to death with used porn mags.

 

[sr71plt]

Hmmm. I must have walked into the wrong room suddenly. Is there a side discussion--or running argument--going on about unedited or badly written work?

 

[Weird Harold]

"I'm surprised that you've had such an unsympathetic response, frankly."

Thanks--and I'm sure it's probably the newbie thing; expecting a congenial group. Maybe it's because two-thirds of my stories have gone hot; or maybe its a cycle of the moon thing. Whatever, I know now to shut up.

Roughly two-thirds of ALL stories have perfect or near-perfect scores when they emerge from the obsurity of having fewer than ten votes. Once a story attains the minimum ten votes and appears on the Top Stories lists it WILL start to accumulate low "dissapointment" votes -- not necessarily all ones, but here at Lit there seems to be only only Fives and Ones.

The response might seem unsympathetic, but it just means you're not alone and there's nothing you can do but whine -- and whining doesn't do anything except annoy people if you persist.

About every six months, somebody proposes some way to "improve" the voting here at Lit -- it ain't goin' to happen. There are procedures in place -- which Laureland Manu rightly refuse to disclose details on -- to remove the true "Troll" votes, which they define as duplicate votes and/or a pattern of voting competitiors' stories down.

All of us have gone through the pain of having our first story down-voted but we've also learned to accept what we can't change and wait for enough votes to accumulate so that the scores stablize and the "Friend" votes and the "Troll" votes cancel out.

 

[kendo1]

*Picks up used porn mags*

You're correct.
Constructive criticism is helpful. This is an amatuer porn site afterall.

 

[sr71plt]

"Roughly two-thirds of ALL stories have perfect or near-perfect scores when they emerge from the obsurity of having fewer than ten votes. Once a story attains the minimum ten votes and appears on the Top Stories lists it WILL start to accumulate low "dissapointment" votes -- not necessarily all ones, but here at Lit there seems to be only only Fives and Ones."

I certainly didn't know that--and it wasn't what I surmised from observation (the part about two-thirds of the stories hitting hot at 10 votes). That hasn't seemed anywhere close to the truth in the categories I've entered stories in.

I will note that most of what I write is Gay Male, which seems to have far less voting depth than the straight material--and, also, that very few of the Gay Male stories I read here have gone to hot, and, certainly, take longer to do so when they do (for the lower voting depth, I surmise--not, I'm sure--because the writing is inferior to the straight stories overall).

By the way, I didn't and wouldn't propose any other system of voting. This one looks as good as any site I've seen and better than most. And, of course, you can't count on everyone participating here to be adult. No reason not to point at their childish behavior every once in a while, though. Why should they hold all the cards without an occasional challenge?

Nor, I might say, did I post this thread on a bad reception of a first story or because I came here only yesterday. The story in question was my 24th here, after some time writing and observing here (but not discussing in the forum, of course--which may not be a good idea, I can see). The story that set me off (an occurrence I've seen before) was one that went perfect score until it hit "hot" and immediately was hit from the other end. I can perfectly well imagine a reader not liking the type of story--but the type of story is clearly warned up front--so I have no delusions whatsoever about this simply being malicious and juvenile voting behavior. I see no reason why this family behavior here should be locked in the closet, safe from discussion--or that anyone who brings it up deserves to be slapped down.

 

[kendo1]

I suspect some of the readers can barely read. As for their mental ablilities...

 

[ChilledVodkaIV]

What would you have them do? Think they are great?

Yes. But only the Indian/Asian (Brit understanding of Asian not Yanky). Some of them write fantastic stories in a 'common' second language and would be truly, indescribably awful if not for the cultural nouse and second languageness of them.

Writers are automatically great until someone tells them otherwise. (and whiney)

 

[Guest]

OK, I can see it's a tough, "why bother," crowd here. Nice congenial, welcoming bunch. (note to self--start voting more nastily--and stop bothering to even read the stories I vote.)

Well, you must understand that this topic has been done to death. And some people have less patience with those experiencing the joys of the "1" vote for the first time.

I must say, however, after a quick glance at your bio page, you really don't have anything to complain about. 24 stories posted in the past few months, the majority with H ratings? Seems things are just fine.

 

[Weird Harold]

I certainly didn't know that--and it wasn't what I surmised from observation (the part about two-thirds of the stories hitting hot at 10 votes). That hasn't seemed anywhere close to the truth in the categories I've entered stories in.

You have to be watching closely -- it usually only takes about two minutes for a story to hit the top lists with a perfect 5.00 before it gets down-voted to remove it from the overall Top Story. You just have to look at the accumulation of stories with 4.64 and 4.33 scores with 11 and 12 votes respectively to see the effect.

I will note that most of what I write is Gay Male, which seems to have far less voting depth than the straight material--and, also, that very few of the Gay Male stories I read here have gone to hot, and, certainly, take longer to do so when they do (for the lower voting depth, I surmise--not, I'm sure--because the writing is inferior to the straight stories overall).

Sadly, Lit has it's own version of the "Moral Majority;" Gay Male, Nonconsent, and Incest stories that hit the first page of the overall Top Stories List have very little chance of staying there. It requires an exceptionally good story to overcome the low votes cast by those who one-vote any story involving a "unnatural pairing" off the Top Storis List -- often without even reading it.

 

[kendo1]

Thaywah!

 

[Guest]

Thaywah!

Thstop it, kendo!