Indonesia executions

[duranman]

Yeah they knew the rules on heroin smuggling. But surely in the 21st century this was nothing short of barbaric?...

 

[Busybody]

No

It's barbaric to kill so many that get hooked on the drugs

Fuck em

 

[aussiegeekygal]

Yeah they knew the rules on heroin smuggling. But surely in the 21st century this was nothing short of barbaric?...

It's certainly unfortunate. I was still in Australia when Chappelle Corby and the Bali Nine were caught. Until these two high profile cases, most travellers aren't aware of the death penalty that comes along with drug trafficking. I understand and respect the laws of other countries, however share your opinion that it is barbaric. All executions of humans are, regardless of what they did it are accused to have done. It's a shame this still happens.

 

[Recidiva]

I do think that barbaric is the point. They wish to discourage behavior. I'm not sure they'd see it as a drawback.

 

[duranman]

It's certainly unfortunate. I was still in Australia when Chappelle Corby and the Bali Nine were caught. Until these two high profile cases, most travellers aren't aware of the death penalty that comes along with drug trafficking. I understand and respect the laws of other countries, however share your opinion that it is barbaric. All executions of humans are, regardless of what they did it are accused to have done. It's a shame this still happens.

Well if they're ignorant of the laws when going there that would, presumably, be a reasonable defence. But my guess is there's so much corruption out there nothing can be taken for granted. I'm not sure but I think all nine were non white. I wonder if one would have been a white Brit whether Government intervention would have prevented it? Not sure. Hey, I'm as anti drugs as anyone, never touched them, but I just feel physically sick they took this primitive action...

 

[aussiegeekygal]

Well if they're ignorant of the laws when going there that would, presumably, be a reasonable defence. But my guess is there's so much corruption out there nothing can be taken for granted. I'm not sure but I think all nine were non white. I wonder if one would have been a white Brit whether Government intervention would have prevented it? Not sure. Hey, I'm as anti drugs as anyone, never touched them, but I just feel physically sick they took this primitive action...

I don't think they were non-white. There were 8 guys and one girl. The two Aussies executed were the ring leaders, the other 7 members of the group have long term jail sentences, but do not face execution.
I don't think it is the race that is at play, more a little man in government who is trying to make a stand. The Australian government did intervene as appropriate, but there's not a lot they could do. Additionally, there were other men executed yesterday from other nations, not just Aus.

 

[Throbbinsum]

A brutal way to kill people, a brutal way to die.

Sadly, I think there was more than a little political payback involved, topped with a modicum of judicial corruption.

The only consolation in this sad and sorry tale is that in their time on death row, both Aussies (I don't know enough about the others) seem to have acknowledged their crime, and transformed their lives - they entered prison as 'low life', and died as men. What a pity we won't be able to see what they could have done with their lives in the coming years and decades.

 

[parodyluvr75]

I don't think the sentence fit the crime.

http://m.livescience.com/10767-execution-science-kill-person.html

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

INDONESIA is Muslim. What were you expecting to happen?

 

[Lord_Nibiru]

I detest the death penalty in all it's forms. It is utterly barbaric.

 

[ishtat]

One of those killed was French - and white. Three were black Africans. One, a Brazilian was completely insane and should never have been tried. The remainder, including the two Australians were of Asian extraction. The only woman, a filipino was reprieved for now. All except the woman and the Brazilian were clearly guilty and admitted it - hoping for clemency.

This is mainly about internal Indonesian politics. President Joko (his real name) is weak and wants to appear tough. His Attorney General wants to appear even tougher and so far has had more prisoners executed in 8 months than his predecessors in the past 15 years.

At the same time Indonesia is protesting the planned execution of two Indonesian maids in Saudi Arabia - don't fancy their chances.

Indonesia recently asked for slightly less than $1Billion in 'aid.' Could be tricky.

Indonesia has already taken a big hit for this policy. Bali is the number 1 holiday destination for Australians and there has been a lot of cancellations. If the Government issues a travel warning it will crucify their tourist industry.

 

[duranman]

I was actually wondering kind of the opposite: That they make such a dogmatic stand against drugs as they don't want their country associated with it, therefore making it safer for tourism? Whatever, they've almost certainly shot themselves in the foot. A lot of the UK are divided on this one. But whatever your opinion surely, if we're all living on this planet in relative harmony and visiting our respective countries, this is an unacceptable law. There's a big case for legalising all hard drugs thus eliminating all this, that way if someone wants to kill themselves as they're so unhappy so be it. Whatever, this is another sad day for world peace, whereby these poor individuals murdered nobody and yet were punished as such.

 

[warrior queen]

This is not the first time two Australians have been executed in Indonesia for smuggling drugs.
Barlow and Chambers may have been a long time ago, but it seems the world has short memories.
Regardless of what my personal opinion of the death penalty is, it is a fact that a sovereign country has these laws and anyone taking the risk must also accept the consequences.

My thougjts are with the families of Chan and Sukumaran..... they are the real victims here.

 

[ishtat]

This is not the first time two Australians have been executed in Indonesia for smuggling drugs.

Barlow and Chambers were hanged in Malaysia, not Indonesia in 1986. Michael McCauliffe also hanged in Malaysia in 1993. Van Tuong Nguyen (also Australian) was hanged in Singapore in 2005.

More interestingly the Bali bombers who murdered 202 people in 2002 suffered varying fates. There were 16 involved, 3 were executed, two died in police shoot outs, one was handed over to the USA (which saved his life , he is still in Guantanamo) the rest received fairly light prison sentences, mainly from 5 to 20 years. They were all Indonesians.

 

[magicalmoments]

While I'm personally opposed to the death penalty, any person who commits a capital offence in a country with the death penalty deserves everything they get, especially drug smugglers. No sympathy for them at all.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I was actually wondering kind of the opposite: That they make such a dogmatic stand against drugs as they don't want their country associated with it, therefore making it safer for tourism? Whatever, they've almost certainly shot themselves in the foot. A lot of the UK are divided on this one. But whatever your opinion surely, if we're all living on this planet in relative harmony and visiting our respective countries, this is an unacceptable law. There's a big case for legalising all hard drugs thus eliminating all this, that way if someone wants to kill themselves as they're so unhappy so be it. Whatever, this is another sad day for world peace, whereby these poor individuals murdered nobody and yet were punished as such.

So who gets to decide what the universal rules are?

 

[Fierywhore]

Sad indictment on Indonesian Law, carrying drugs, possible Death penalty, Murder between 10 and 15 years Gaol, makes no sense especially when the penalty for these 8 people was deplored by the UN.

The Death Penalty is sadly abhorrent, mainly due to the fact that an innocent can be put to death.

 

[duranman]

So who gets to decide what the universal rules are?

Obama? He lived in the bloody place anyway didn't he? Reckon if he'd have made a stand they'd have thought again. But maybe not...

 

[Busybody]

Sad indictment on Indonesian Law, carrying drugs, possible Death penalty, Murder between 10 and 15 years Gaol, makes no sense especially when the penalty for these 8 people was deplored by the UN.

The Death Penalty is sadly abhorrent, mainly due to the fact that an innocent can be put to death.

silly

 

[duranman]

The UK abolished the death penalty because mistakes were made. It's too final. If prison means no luxuries then that should be adequate punishment with the eventuality of subsequent establishing of innocence covered. But I reiterate, these people killed nobody...

 

[sweetmelody93]

Pretty convenient that the filo woman was spared last minute. More like, someone was able to pay the government off!

Just saying

 

[ishtat]

Pretty convenient that the filo woman was spared last minute. More like, someone was able to pay the government off!

Just saying

Check the facts perhaps. The woman who bought the suitcase for the Filipino was busted on another matter and has admitted (convincingly) that she planted the drugs on this illiterate dupe.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Obama? He lived in the bloody place anyway didn't he? Reckon if he'd have made a stand they'd have thought again. But maybe not...

Its Australias problem not America's. Besides, we do shit when the Muslims murder our people.

 

[warrior queen]

The trully ironic thing about this situation is that when you fly to Bali for a holiday, you won't evenmake it to your taxi at the airport before being offered every single drug you can imagine

 

[duranman]

Its Australias problem not America's. Besides, we do shit when the Muslims murder our people.

Um, great attitude....