I agree Cindy. They should have just let the kids stay together and raise the child. But seeing as how these parents kept these two kids from knowing each other, the kids' best interests obviously were not a priority for this mother and father. Very sad.
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Thanks Green Knight, for your elucidation on the Bennett paper.
Anecdotally, as a healthcare professional with additional training and education in genetics, I see adult children of (primarily) first-cousin parents and am aware of the additional health challenges they face.
Anecdotally, as a healthcare professional with additional training and education in genetics, I see adult children of (primarily) first-cousin parents and am aware of the additional health challenges they face.
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I guess over there they do as they are told and not as they see fit, but yes that would have worked.
There will never be an end to organized religion because religiosity is an innate part of human nature.
Do away with all of the things that call themselves religions and they will be replaced with other things that people will be equally religious about.
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According to the latest British Social Attitudes survey, the proportion of people in England and Wales who identify as having no religion reached 48.5% in 2014, outnumbering the 43.8% who define themselves as Christian – Anglicans, Catholics and other denominations. The proportion who describe themselves as Anglican has halved since 1983. Four out 10 adults who were raised as Anglicans and almost as many who were brought up as Catholics now define themselves as having no religion. Neither church is bringing in fresh blood through conversions: Anglicans lose 12 followers for every person they recruit, and Catholics 10.
If the trend continues, by now (2016) the majority of people in England and Wales will be of no religion. I am not aware of anything else coming in to replace religion in that same period.
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in the u.s., the number of admitted atheists is supposedly around 27% and climbing.
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It's there, even if you don't see it.
If you don't believe in man-made global warming, the lynch mobs come.
If you want to own a gun, the lynch mobs come.
If you don't want co-ed bathrooms, the lynch mobs come.
Religion and religious beliefs don't require a supernatural deity. One's own self can be his own idol.
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I'm guessing you've never read the story of Lot? Its a long story but in a nutshell both of his daughters get him drunk and rape him while he was passed out on consecutive nights. God condoned this by blessing them both with child. So from a biblical standpoint it is completely acceptable.
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The Muslims have taken care of that issue mate or have you not noticed then walking about.
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Hi-5 Way to tell mr. know it all
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I am on that list....
Religion is as useless as traditional martial arts. It's nothing more than a tool to control groups of people, and giving people tools to live by. Note, your bible(s) ARE written by man.
What I do believe, there is a far better chance of life on another planet than some "thing" in the sky or wherever saying "Let there be water and there was water".
Whatever!!!
What a well-reasoned post, Green Knight! I've never bothered to research what's true across a broad spectrum of the population, but I can offer a limited, subjective report.
For years my first lover and I included his sister in our lovemaking. She and I were lovers before he and I were, but they had me in common and we didn't have any secrets about it. On one very hot occasion, they did screw, and in the throws of passion enjoyed themselves immensely. It was some of the hottest sex I've ever witnessed! Afterward, they thought it was weird enough that they didn't screw again--at least to my knowledge. We did continue to have 3-ways, though, and they were completely unabashed about going down on each other during our play. I always thought they were far closer than most siblings I ever knew.
At any rate, studies, trends and data didn't find us in the middle of the bell curve--we were happily riding along in the 3rd standard deviation!
For years my first lover and I included his sister in our lovemaking. She and I were lovers before he and I were, but they had me in common and we didn't have any secrets about it. On one very hot occasion, they did screw, and in the throws of passion enjoyed themselves immensely. It was some of the hottest sex I've ever witnessed! Afterward, they thought it was weird enough that they didn't screw again--at least to my knowledge. We did continue to have 3-ways, though, and they were completely unabashed about going down on each other during our play. I always thought they were far closer than most siblings I ever knew.
At any rate, studies, trends and data didn't find us in the middle of the bell curve--we were happily riding along in the 3rd standard deviation!
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Where are you getting that number from?
"The Pew Religious Landscape survey reported that as of 2014, 22.8% of the U.S. population is religiously unaffiliated, atheists made up 3.1% and agnostics made up 4% of the U.S. population." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_the_United_States
But for the sake of argument, lets assume that your number is correct. It does not address the point I made.
As I said before, do away with all of the things that call themselves religions and they will be replaced with other things that people will be equally religious about.
I've encountered many self-professed atheists who are quite religious, it's just that they are religious about things they pretend aren't religions. Here are a few examples off the top of my head:
Environmentalism
Anti-Vaccine Hysteria
Veganism
Animal Rights Activism
Various political ideologies
Then there are the atheists whose religion is atheism. I don't believe in smurfs, but I don't take the trouble to define myself according to my disbelief in the existence of smurfs. Many atheists do define themselves by their atheism. For them it is a belief system, not the absence of one.
As I said before, religiosity is an innate part of human nature. You can no more do away with it than you can do away with anger or fear or lust.
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Didn't people in Nazi Germany in the 1930s say similar things about the Jews. You, presumably, would have been one of them if you'd been around then.
Between 1983 and 2014 the proportion of people with no religious affiliation increased from 31% to 49%, an increase of 18%. In the same period the proportion of people of a non-Christian religion (that includes Jewish, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, and Muslims) rose from 2% to 8%, an increase of 6%. So, no, even if all non-Christian people were Muslim, the increase in their number is only one-third of those abandoning any religion, so they have hardly "taken care of that issue".
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Your argument does not really hold up. The accepted definition of a religion is a group of people who believe in and worship one or more gods. An atheist, by definition, does not believe in gods.
Fortunately, the respondents to the British Social Attitudes survey specifically stated that they have no religion. In other words they have no beliefs that they consider religious and they don't consider an interest in mountain climbing to be religious, however passionately they enjoy it. Presumably any atheists who considered themselves religious would have ticked the non-Christian religion box.
To claim that such things as Environmentalism, Veganism and 'Various political ideologies' have taken over from religion you need to prove a direct statistical correlation between the decline of religion and the increase in involvement in these areas. If you contend that the one has replaced the other then you must also show that religious people have no interest in these areas. Finally, you need to show that interest in such areas did not exist at a time when religious belief was strong. This is palpably not the case - political ideologies have been around for centuries and, indeed, many of them were based on religion.
But this is rather wandering off the original subject, though I'd be quite interested to hear from members of non-Christian faiths what their faiths teach about incest.
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When asked the question that started this thread I never expected a discussion on religion. I only wanted some opinions on the situation between my wife's cousin and his Mom (her Aunt). Our family thinks it is fine, but incest runs in our family. Some outside the family disapprove.
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I'm not sure it would be incest otherwise.
I think that religion came into it because objections to incest were originally based on quasi-religious grounds and still are to some extent.
As far as I can see from the posts on here, as long as there are no children as a result of the relationships, most people don't feel the need or desire to express an opinion on what is, essentially, a personal matter for you and your family members. I am intrigued as to why you feel the need to seek our views. I wouldn't seek the views of people on here if, for example, I was starting an affair with a married woman.
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If the incest is between two consenting adults, I don't think it's anyone elses business. Nobody's being forced and nobody's getting hurt. My brother and I have been having sex for years and it's brought us closer together. I don't ever see a day when we stop. We've also talked about if someday, we find that special person and get married, that whenever he and I can get together, we'll fuck like rabbits.
I guess I have the best of both worlds then, my cousin and I not only 'fuck like rabbits' we're also husband and wife!!
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Nothing wrong with it, if you ask me. I've never done in real life but fantasized about often. Some think it's gross. I think scat, pee, and even anal are gross. Different kinks for different people!
My argument holds up just fine when it is not twisted into a straw man.
My point, which I'll repeat once again, is that there will never be an end to organized religion because religiosity is an innate part of human nature.
Do away with all of the things that call themselves religions and they will be replaced with other things that people will be equally religious about.
Whether those other things include a concept of God or not, or even define themselves as official religions, is beside the point. Most people need an existential framework through which to understand the world and to give their lives purpose and meaning. Those people who reject frameworks that are defined as traditional religions will find something else to fill that role.
As for the popularity of various things, most of the religion substitutes that are in vogue today either didn't exist 50 years ago, or were the near-exclusive domain of eccentrics.
You don't need to justify your choice to be lovers. No one can stop you. The laws against consensual adult incest are all but impossible to enforce because sex by its nature is a private act, and there are no victims when that sex is between consenting adults. This is why the cases that do get brought before a court almost always involve sexual abuse. The remaining cases, if the news reports are any indication, seem to involve people from the shallow end of the gene pool who lack the common sense to be discreet.
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