incest/pediphile

Jeesus, people, cut him some slack. I don't condone pedophilia, but he isn't saying he wants to go molesting kids. I personally think that reading stories about it is a much more healthy outlet than doing anything physical. If reading stories satisfies socially unacceptable desires and/or stops people from doing things in real life, than they should read them and other people should keep hateful comments to themselves. I feel compelled to point out that the most popular stories on this site involve incest for the most part, and I have no problem with that fantasy, but if you asked for an incest story on a regular story site, you might get people calling you a sick fuck too.
 
Nameless_Rose said:
Jeesus, people, cut him some slack. I don't condone pedophilia, but he isn't saying he wants to go molesting kids. I personally think that reading stories about it is a much more healthy outlet than doing anything physical. If reading stories satisfies socially unacceptable desires and/or stops people from doing things in real life, than they should read them and other people should keep hateful comments to themselves. I feel compelled to point out that the most popular stories on this site involve incest for the most part, and I have no problem with that fantasy, but if you asked for an incest story on a regular story site, you might get people calling you a sick fuck too.

Rose, I think you're lovely, but I disagree with you here.
The incest stories here, while I don't particularly care for them contain the stories of consenting adults. Pedophilia is not allowed to be discussed at Lit. Period. I don't think he deserves any slack anyway. I warned him that he wouldn't survive here. If he has an issue, he needs to go to a psychiatrist and should not be reading stories that will excite and incite him.
 
reignophelia said:
excite and incite him.
This is the argument Right Wing Conservatives use in defense of censorship. If it's valid for them, and you use the same argument, then LIT would not exist in your world, since the LIT stories on incest, non-consent, and horror would all 'excite and incite' others do harm against innocent victims.
While I don't condone pedophilia, I also don't condone censorship. Where to draw the line is the question, which can't be answered using 'excite and incite' as a reason.
 
DeeZire said:
This is the argument Right Wing Conservatives use in defense of censorship. If it's valid for them, and you use the same argument, then LIT would not exist in your world, since the LIT stories on incest, non-consent, and horror would all 'excite and incite' others do harm against innocent victims.
While I don't condone pedophilia, I also don't condone censorship. Where to draw the line is the question, which can't be answered using 'excite and incite' as a reason.


Your point on "excite and incite' is right on target.

I do agree with Freedom of Speech, but with rights, come responsibilities.

At Lit a reader, or writer has to be 18 to legally access the site. So it is logical that characters in the stories at Lit should be of the same age. After all, the minimum age at which a person can appear in erotic pictures or movies is 18.
 
DeeZire said:
This is the argument Right Wing Conservatives use in defense of censorship. If it's valid for them, and you use the same argument, then LIT would not exist in your world, since the LIT stories on incest, non-consent, and horror would all 'excite and incite' others do harm against innocent victims.
While I don't condone pedophilia, I also don't condone censorship. Where to draw the line is the question, which can't be answered using 'excite and incite' as a reason.

*Cough* As Drksideofthemoon just said, "with rights, come responsibilities". Responsibility and consequences, especially since the people in question here don't have a voice of their own; just Mums and Dads who try wholeheartedly to protect them.
I believe in the right of a racist to say what they wish despite my lack of sympathy for them, or lack of agreement. But those issues deal with CONSENTING ADULTS.
Children need to be protected. They can't defend themselves.

I really don't see the point of arguing this here anyway, as Lit. prohibits pedophilia in any shape or form.

Also, the non-consent and incest stories are actually between consenting adults, or adults who consent by the end. I'll try to remember who it was that last said something to the effect of " well I wrote this non-consent story, but it was too graphic, too much like rape, so it didn't get posted by the editors."
Even if you argue that the non-consent stories contain victims, those victims are still over the age of 18, which Lit. DOES allow.
I'm not saying that I like incest stories, or non-consent, but they are permitted by the site.

Oh, and I'm not a right wing conservative. I don't condone censorship. In fact, I am a Massachusetts democrat who went to protests against the Patriot Act.

Thankyou Drksideofthemoon. :rose:
 
I agree with you to Ophelia, that pedophilia doesn't belong on Lit, and that he should search elsewhere and possibly seek counseling if he ever feels unhealthy desires towards children. I still think though, that if stories help mediate urges, than they should be read. The two charming comments before mine just pissed me off and I had to say something.

While I definitely don't condone their actions, pedophiles are still people, people who need help, not monsters. And you two with the rude comments: I really don't think calling him a "sick fuck" is doing anything.
 
Nameless_Rose said:
I agree with you to Ophelia, that pedophilia doesn't belong on Lit, and that he should search elsewhere and possibly seek counseling if he ever feels unhealthy desires towards children. I still think though, that if stories help mediate urges, than they should be read. The two charming comments before mine just pissed me off and I had to say something.

While I definitely don't condone their actions, pedophiles are still people, people who need help, not monsters. And you two with the rude comments: I really don't think calling him a "sick fuck" is doing anything.

Well, I agree with you otherwise I may have called him a "sick fuck".
Ok, no I wouldn't, it's just not my style. I do hope he gets help. There is not any absolute solid evidence that the stories mediate as opposed to exaggerate said urges. I think we should just agree that we really do agree and urge this person to get the help he needs.
You know, before a child is harmed, and he ends up in jail because of it...
Or something far worse...
 
reignophelia said:
There is not any absolute solid evidence that the stories mediate as opposed to exaggerate said urges.
Nameless_Rose said:
I agree with you to Ophelia, that pedophilia doesn't belong on Lit, and that he should search elsewhere and possibly seek counseling if he ever feels unhealthy desires towards children. I still think though, that if stories help mediate urges, than they should be read. ...
I like to read detective stories, and often the ones I enjoy the most are the goriest killings. Do you think I am sufficiently successful in sublimating what are clearly wicked desires to go out and murder people? Or should I "seek counseling"?

You are right to say that "pedophilia doesn't belong on Lit" but that rule was not formulated from some high moral principles on the part of the owners of the site, merely fear of being closed down.
 
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snooper said:
You are right to say that "pedophilia doesn't belong on Lit" but that rule was not formulated from some high moral principles on the part of the owners of the site, merely fear of being closed down.

And how did you draw this conclusion? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but there is no evidence to support or dispute your statement.
 
snooper said:
I like to read detective stories, and often the ones I enjoy the most are the goriest killings. Do you think I am sufficiently successful in sublimating what are clearly wicked desires to go out and murder people? Or should I "seek counseling"?

You are right to say that "pedophilia doesn't belong on Lit" but that rule was not formulated from some high moral principles on the part of the owners of the site, merely fear of being closed down.


Well, if you had some sort of murderous urges, I might urge you not to read those types of stories and get some help. If you are capable of sublimating said stories containing consenting adults on the Literotica website, then I say go ahead and read.

High moral principles eh? What is it with everyone playing devil's advocate with me tonight?

Are you flirting?
 
I'm just saying, that in my personal experience, reading allows us an escape to an alternate world, and allows us to see various fantasies and desires fulfilled, if only for a little while. I sometimes come away from a good story, of any genre satisfied with the feeling that I've just gotten a fantasy fix. If I apply this personal experience to someone with fantasies of pedophilia, then it leads me to believe that this person might find satisfaction from reading stories. If that keeps them from contemplating doing something physical, than I say go ahead and read the stories.

Snooper: I think that to a degree, we read stories because we want to be someone/somewhere else for awhile. I'm not saying everyone who reads vampire fiction has a deep down burning desire to suck blood and kill people, but I do think that reading satisfies curiosity. Some of the greatest novels ever written, one that comes to mind is Crime and Punishment, evoke empathy for the less than upstanding people. I don't think the author (can't spell his name, so I won't even try) of that book was saying "I like to kill people to find out what happens," nor do I think that readers are secretly harboring homicidal desires for sympathizing with the main character. We read Crime and Punishment to get into the head of a killer because we are curious. Reading allows to experience the whole spectrum of human emotion, but hardly anyone actually wants to act on something they read in such books.
 
i completely agree with nameless... people have the right to express whatever sexual fantasy you want on this site, being that it just a fantasy.. i myself like reading incest stories but you dont see me on here telling people i fuck my sister
 
You just did. :p

Oh and people, lighten up already, Juicemaster likely has left the building. :rolleyes:
 
trendyff478 said:
people have the right to express whatever sexual fantasy you want on this site

nope, not "on this site." Here, all participants must be 18 or older.
 
trendyff478 said:
i completely agree with nameless... people have the right to express whatever sexual fantasy you want on this site, being that it just a fantasy.. i myself like reading incest stories but you dont see me on here telling people i fuck my sister

No, people don't have a right. When they signed up, they agreed to abide by the Terms and Conditions of the site.
 
emap said:
You just did. :p

Oh and people, lighten up already, Juicemaster likely has left the building. :rolleyes:

I think that's a good plan emap. I'm officially staying out of this thread from now on. It's getting too heavy.
 
reignophelia said:
Rose, I think you're lovely, but I disagree with you here.
The incest stories here, while I don't particularly care for them contain the stories of consenting adults. Pedophilia is not allowed to be discussed at Lit. Period. I don't think he deserves any slack anyway. I warned him that he wouldn't survive here. If he has an issue, he needs to go to a psychiatrist and should not be reading stories that will excite and incite him.
I think the fact we have gotten away with it without deletion proves otherwise.
They mean child sexuallity (no matter how subtle) can't be submitted in stories (story page, chat, PMs, or SRPs) or gone into graphic detail in discussion or debate.

The fact this is a story ideas forum should be a clue that you should either write it on another site (something I don't recommend) or up the age to 18.
You will find many hot mom with 18 year old son stories here.

This includes an SRP that I will start in a few weeks.
You can have either part if you want.
If you're up to it, you can play both mother and son (will include lesbianism).
 
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reignophelia said:
" well I wrote this non-consent story, but it was too graphic, too much like rape, so it didn't get posted by the editors."
This was a discussion of "Non Consent VS Rape".

Although I don't believe there is a difference in real life, at least on Lit, non consent is consensual in mid penetration.

Human rape will not get through the censors, but beast rape will, if it's not too much like bestiality.
 
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