Incest fetish/category (Split from Contest Thread)

[lovecraft68]

Ah, the old chestnut that BDSM has rules. Bullshit. BDSM clubs have rules. The elements of BDSM--either acting them out or writing about them--don't require any rules. If you tie someone up, it's bondage--no rules on doing it required. And you can write about that being done with no rules at all in mind. You can subjugate someone, being dominant, without any rules on doing it required. And you can write about that being done with no rules at all in mind. You can be a sadist without following anyone's rules. You can be a masochist without following anyone's rules--and these can be written in a story without any sense of some little club's rules on what can/cannot be done for it to be termed bondage, domination, sadism, or masochism. There's no club that determines rules for everyone on the acting out or writing about any of these elements.

Bdsm has three rules two of which vary by individual

Safe and sane vary one persons idea of what is safe and sane may not be the next person idea ofthem

The third rule is the single hard rule in the lifestyle and that is consent.

If there is no consent then you don't have bdsm you have sexual assault and rape

Anyone who disputes that rule in a debate has no real knowledge of the lifestyle. Anyone in real life that says you don't need a subs consent is flat out dangerous and should be avoided.

A simple test on knowing the lifestyle is this question

Who has the say in what can and cannot happen in a d/s relationship?

If they answer the top they are a fraud

People say there is a fine line between bdsm and rape the people who say that are people into rape trying to mask it as bdsm.

Handsinthedark is one of those.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

Handsinthedark is one of those.

You've crossed a line here. It's not just that you're wildly incorrect and uninterested in checking your facts, it's that you literally can't stop singling people out for personal attacks. I think you mentioned recently that you're full of hate - I think you've demonstrated that clearly enough on enough occasions. You write a lot of stories so I doubt the site will deal with you, so I'm putting you on Ignore.

It amuses me a little that JBJ here isn't on my ignore list, at least yet. He's got little compunction about slapping people around. But somehow he reminds me of a non-venomous snake - they'll bite you, it's meant to sting, but there's no lasting harm. It's just a bite, and not worse than it's meant to be. You feel different, like a snake hoping to grow a poison fang. You'd hurt people more if you knew how, is my sense. I no longer care to deal with it. Do me the final favor of setting Ignore in return.

 

[sr71plt]

Bdsm has three rules two of which vary by individual

Safe and sane vary one persons idea of what is safe and sane may not be the next person idea ofthem

The third rule is the single hard rule in the lifestyle and that is consent.

You just can't grasp it, can you? No, BDSM has no such rules outside a club. Bondage, domination, sadism, and masochism are all "they exist or they don't" activities. They are physical acts. You don't have to do them by anyone's rules; you don't have to do them safely; you don't have to do them "right." They just happen. You don't have to follow anyone's rules on whether/how you include them in a story.

In terms of erotica, bondage is being tied up to be incapacitated in some way for sex. Domination is putting someone else in a subservient role in sex; sadism is a sexual perversion in which physical or emotional pain is dispensed on others (go look it up--it says nothing about an LC dress-up club having the right to impose rules on how it's done); masochism is a sexual perversion of being pleasured by being subjected to physical pain or emotional distress.

You're just full of it on this issue. And you just can't "get it." The world just isn't all about you and your dress-up clubs.

In terms of Literotica, I can (and have) written stories without any thought to your silly club rules and got them accepted as BDSM. So, you are powerless on that at Lit. --and just silly elsewhere.

 

[PervOtaku]

Oh, that's right - BDSM is a real-world, consenting practice between two adults. It's not for everyone but at least pain and frustrated flight-or-fight responses have understandable effects; so people can discuss it intelligently, and take it or leave it. Responsible practitioners have rules, and irresponsible practitioners can get outed.

Real world BDSM is like that. A great deal of the fictional BDSM found on sites like Lit are thematically much more non-consensual, even rapey. Usually the girl/victim "accepts" her role as a bottom/slave in the end and so it's a "happy" ending, but the standard "safe, sane, consensual" rules are fully not in effect.

This isn't all that different from incest. Most real world incest is molestation of kids too young to understand how to say no, or too afraid to say no. Most fictional erotica incest has the child/younger sibling ready, willing, and eager, if not the actual instigator.

The fantasy and the reality are very different things. Mostly because in a story you can set things up just so, and get away with things that we would generally agree are vile in real life.

Responders to this thread are (purposely?) sidestepping the issue I was posting on--that most writers/readers of incest here at Lit. are here for parent/child (ergo pedophile) stories, no matter what they do to keep the story barely within the Web site age restrictions, not adult-adult incest stories.

I call bullshit. Look, we all know pedophile doesn't really mean under 18. Under 18 is a legal construct for consent purposes, but any girl past the age of 15 or 16 is essentially fully sexually mature. Pedophile means you are lusting after the girls (or the boys) that aren't through puberty yet. Lusting after under-18 just means you like "jailbait".

Most parent-child incest stories put the child at 18, but could just as easily be 16 or 17, doesn't really matter. The major factor here is an adult child usually doesn't live at home. Sure, you could have the 22 year old son that moved back home after college, that's functionally equivalent to the 18 year old high school senior. The point is availability. Incest is much more available when the parties live under the same roof, and that means children too young to have moved out yet. But because most of us do prefer our young sex participants to be past full sexual maturity, it is not pedophilia.

 

[Arngrim]

Doesn't the fact the #1 most favorite story on Literotica is a sib-cest story throw a monkey wrench into this whole incest = pedophilia theory?

 

[sr71plt]

Doesn't the fact the #1 most favorite story on Literotica is a sib-cest story throw a monkey wrench into this whole incest = pedophilia theory?

There has been no "incest = pedophilia theory" posted to this thread. Do you mean adult/child incest? That's a subset of incest, not the whole thing. And what does the ranking of category interest have to do with whether or not the incest story readers are interested in adult/child or adult/adult incest stories? It's a supply/demand issue. The demand seeks out the supply. And using the 18 age factor (which is the lowest limit that Lit. will get published) is a popular signal to "think lower; I would have written it lower it I could have gotten it posted here."

One wonders if you guys are just trying to fool yourselves or everyone else.

So, the answer to your question is no, it doesn't.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Well that makes sense.

"Theres no incest=pedophilia" implications on this thread (a blatant mistruth) and then a few sentences later, anyone who writes 18 is making a coded signal to mean "lower age." No one's saying Incest writers write pedophilia, my goodness. But yeah, you are.

The pedo "argument" (actually I think that qualifies as a slur) is all over this thread from you and Hands. Newbie here was not mistaken.

There has been no "incest = pedophilia theory" posted to this thread. Do you mean adult/child incest? That's a subset of incest, not the whole thing. And what does the ranking of category interest have to do with whether or not the incest story readers are interested in adult/child or adult/adult incest stories? It's a supply/demand issue. The demand seeks out the supply. And using the 18 age factor (which is the lowest limit that Lit. will get published) is a popular signal to "think lower; I would have written it lower it I could have gotten it posted here."

One wonders if you guys are just trying to fool yourselves or everyone else.

So, the answer to your question is no, it doesn't.

 

[sr71plt]

The only implication on the thread is that most of the interest in the Incest category is adult-child interest. I backed this supposition up with a review of the recent stories posted to Incest and requests for stories looked for. (Which may be tenuous, but it was more scientific that anyone else was offering.) That doesn't translate to incest = pedophile, because adult-child incest is just one subset of incest. I know I already explained that, but some seem less swift than others in absorbing it--purposely so, I reckon, because they don't want to face the issue. They want to cater to the adult-child reader interest while denying that it exists.

You can pretend to believe--or even believe, for all I care--that the interest in incest stories here involving characters only scraping by on the age requirement for posting isn't in adult-child incest--fantasizing younger characters being preyed on by older relatives--if you like. And I can believe it is, if I want to. I'll not be the one pretending, or inviting predators onto the Web site.