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[TheLobster]

I think I read one this year about a company using AI to compare staff ID photos with Glastonbury TV coverage, but if you worked for a face recognition firm and skived off to a televised event, that's even more daft than putting your photos of it on Facebook...

Why would a company care that you are attending a music festival in your free time? I mean, sure, this particular one has been a major scandal recently, but just because you happen to be in the audience when the so-called "artist" starts chanting death to the Jews doesn't mean you endorse his view, does it?

And if someone's employer actually does fire them for merely being there, then it still doesn't mean they've been daft for going to a public event. It means they can spin an unlawful dismissal lawsuit with a high chance of winning.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

Why would a company care that you are attending a music festival in your free time? I mean, sure, this particular one has been a major scandal recently, but just because you happen to be in the audience when the so-called "artist" starts chanting death to the Jews doesn't mean you endorse his view, does it?

And if someone's employer actually does fire them for merely being there, then it still doesn't mean they've been daft for going to a public event. It means they can spin an unlawful dismissal lawsuit with a high chance of winning.

You missed the word 'skived' - perhaps it's not widely understood outside the UK? It means sneakily not going what you're meant to be doing - most likely by pulling a sickie, ie telling work you're sick but actually you're fine. going to a festival.

Which is gross misconduct.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

I mean, sure, this particular one has been a major scandal recently,

Without merit. I hope the couple sues the bigmouth from the band.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Which is gross misconduct.

That's when a company spies on their employees.

 

[TheLobster]

You missed the word 'skived' - perhaps it's not widely understood outside the UK? It means sneakily not going what you're meant to be doing - most likely by pulling a sickie, ie telling work you're sick but actually you're fine. going to a festival.

Which is gross misconduct.

Distinguishing various types of sick days days off is a UK / EU thing so yeah, I wasn’t familiar with the term.

 

[Erozetta]

As a sidenote-not sidepiece- I couldn't name one Cold Play song and have no idea how they're seen as big enough to have been a Superbowl halftime act. This is the best thing that could happen to them.

I only know one and it's because someone from Lit sang it for me.

 

[Erozetta]

They easily could've spun it into a dance/twirl of her and made it look like they were waiting for the camera to pan over to put on a show.

Don't be a pantser when cheating. Be a planner.

 

[alohadave]

pulling a sickie, ie telling work you're sick but actually you're fine. going to a festival.

Which is gross misconduct.

PTO shouldn't need a stated reason to be used.

Without merit. I hope the couple sues the bigmouth from the band.

That's an odd take.

 

[Bramblethorn]

PTO shouldn't need a stated reason to be used.

That might be the case in the USA, but it's not the case for the UK (which is what @Kumquatqueen is discussing) or in many other countries. In these countries, there is a distinction between "recreation leave" (what you use for holidays etc.) and "personal leave" (sick leave, carer's leave, etc.)

Rec leave can be used for pretty much any purpose, but employees may be required to get approval for the dates they want to take. (Can't have everybody going on leave at once.)

Personal leave can only be used for the specified purposes; these might be lumped together under a single "personal leave" category or there might be separate rules for sick leave vs. bereavement etc.

Rec leave and personal leave entitlements are separate. If I get sick and need to take ten days of leave (the minimum yearly allowance in Australia), that doesn't affect what I have available for holidays. But most years, most of that personal leave will go unused. There's often a requirement for employees to provide documentation for personal leave e.g. a medical certificate.

So if somebody's taking rec leave, it's generally none of the employer's business what they do with it. But if they're using personal leave to go to a festival, e.g. because they wanted to get extra holidays beyond their rec leave allowance or because their employer wouldn't approve a request for that particular date, then they're effectively defrauding their employer and abusing a system that's intended to allow sick people the rest they need to get better, not to cover festival attendance.

Whether running face recognition on a concert crowd is an appropriate way to deal with that issue is another question.

 

[lovecraft68]

They easily could've spun it into a dance/twirl of her and made it look like they were waiting for the camera to pan over to put on a show.

Don't be a pantser when cheating. Be a planner.

Better yet, don't be a cheat at all.

They always get caught at some point because people who are inherently dishonest-which is what all cheaters are-cannot keep up with all the lies they're telling and living.

Odd timing because I just had this talk with the 16 year old I've been mentoring the last few months.

Cheating is not just a betrayal of someone, its a telling character trait. If someone would lie, betray and hurt someone they claim to love? What would they do to you if given a chance? You find out someone is a cheat, you keep that person at arms length. Be it a man or woman, they are snakes. I went on to tell him he'll here the "She put on weight, she only cares about the kids, sex is dull, we fight all the time" and "He's so cold now, he used to pay attention to me, he just doesn't understand" All bullshit. Don't trust one, don't be one, and never enable one if you're single and they're not.

I ended it with someone my foster father once told me when I was around that age. "No piece of ass is ever worth it because when it comes to women who cheat you're going to end up with some mad dog showing up with your name carved into a bullet."

Course sometimes you don't know if someone is married, that's a whole other level of sleaze, but do the best you can to not be that person.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

PTO shouldn't need a stated reason to be used.

That's an odd take.

Ah, this is a big cultural difference. In UK and other countries I know, you get a certain number of 'annual leave' days each year, on full pay. You book your days in advance, and employers can tell you you can't have certain days, eg you can't have leave for the first week in August because the rest of your team have already booked it. Or over Christmas, someone needs to work. Usually you need to give a minimum notice of however long you're taking off. If you've used up your 22-30 days of leave for the year, then you wait for the next year, or ask for unpaid leave (which is very rare).

If you're ill, you call in sick. Totally separate record. And assuming you're in an office type job, you get full pay, and can self-certify for up to 7 days - after that you need a doctor's note. Hence anyone who's frequently sick on a Monday or Friday, or happens to get sick on the day if a festival after being told they can't have leave for it, will be treated with suspicion and if proven they weren't ill, probably fired.

If you're on leave, and then get ill, you're entitled to have those days recorded as sick leave and then you still have annual leave days to use up - because you have a right to a certain amount of time off and shouldn't lose out because of bad health.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

Cheating is not just a betrayal of someone, its a telling character trait. If someone would lie, betray and hurt someone they claim to love? What would they do to you if given a chance? You find out someone is a cheat, you keep that person at arms length. Be it a man or woman, they are snakes.

"When a man marries his mistress, he creates a vacancy."

It's something you see in polyamorous gatherings - people saying they're in polyamorous relationships, it's fine, let's fuck - whaddaya mean, you want to meet my existing partner? Oh, your partner isn't as on board as you were telling me? Colour me unsurprised...

 

[Erozetta]

PTO shouldn't need a stated reason to be used.

My policy where I work is "Do not tell me why you want time off, I don't care, if there's coverage, you're good, enjoy your time! Just bring me a doctor's note if you want to use 3 or more days in a row of sick time. Mental health counts as a valid reason for taking sick days. Just talk to your doctor, not me."

 

[Erozetta]

Better yet, don't be a cheat at all.

They always get caught at some point because people who are inherently dishonest-which is what all cheaters are-cannot keep up with all the lies they're telling and living.

Odd timing because I just had this talk with the 16 year old I've been mentoring the last few months.

Cheating is not just a betrayal of someone, its a telling character trait. If someone would lie, betray and hurt someone they claim to love? What would they do to you if given a chance? You find out someone is a cheat, you keep that person at arms length. Be it a man or woman, they are snakes. I went on to tell him he'll here the "She put on weight, she only cares about the kids, sex is dull, we fight all the time" and "He's so cold now, he used to pay attention to me, he just doesn't understand" All bullshit. Don't trust one, don't be one, and never enable one if you're single and they're not.

I ended it with someone my foster father once told me when I was around that age. "No piece of ass is ever worth it because when it comes to women who cheat you're going to end up with some mad dog showing up with your name carved into a bullet."

Course sometimes you don't know if someone is married, that's a whole other level of sleaze, but do the best you can to not be that person.

Ideally, yeah, but as they are a CEO and lead HR person, I'm disappointed in their ability to problem solve.

 

[lovecraft68]

Ideally, yeah, but as they are a CEO and lead HR person, I'm disappointed in their ability to problem solve.

True, but it goes to show how successful and intelligent people still think with the wrong parts of their body.

Not sure about her, but he's certainly the type whose position is filled with people who look down on others, so I think this is why this became such a thing. If these were two managers at Starbucks no one cares.

 

[lovecraft68]

The memes are better than the story

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

I'd like to see the four of them show up together and stuff this all back in the face of the media and the busybodies.

 

[Erozetta]

True, but it goes to show how successful and intelligent people still think with the wrong parts of their body.

Not sure about her, but he's certainly the type whose position is filled with people who look down on others, so I think this is why this became such a thing. If these were two managers at Starbucks no one cares.

Definitely!

 

[lovecraft68]

I'd like to see the four of them show up together and stuff this all back in the face of the media and the busybodies.

Who are the four people? The spouses they were cheating on?

I guess they wouldn't be happy it was made a national spectacle, but at least they now know who they're married to....for now.

As for the band? I'm going to piss some people here and agree they don't need to be crowing about it. Just sing your top forty pop and shut up.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

What occurred to me while y'all were carrying on here is that this brings larger attention to the invasiveness of the "fan cams" or "kiss cams" or whatever they call 'em. Event producers think they're cute, but the reality can be quite a bit more sinister, as is being discussed. That a popular band has done this and publicly commented on it with possible/probable negative impacts to the involved parties is fodder for a lawyer enjoining the band and the production team for damages in any "Smith v. Smith" legal action.

Message I get is, "If you attend our event, check your personal bubble at the gate. Expect your relative privacy to be compromised."



As they should be if there was a disclaimer in the purchase agreement that attendance was subject to public humiliation (I jest... maybe). Seriously, if there was in fact a Ferengi-print disclaimer about attendance permitting all uses of attendees' personal image for promotional purposes and the legal notice was ignored and not passed along, yeah, that's a problem.

"They were just concert tickets!" Mmmm. Not so fast these days.

You are in a public place, there is zero expectation of privacy.
Additionally, most concerts venues have signs posted or addendum in their ticket purchase agreements that you are consenting to be recorded by being there.

Even if that wasn't the case filing a lawsuit would be pure Streisand Effect at this point.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Additionally, most concerts venues have signs posted or addendum in their ticket purchase agreements that you are consenting to be recorded by being there.

That doesn't mean the band turd needs to be calling attention to it and making jokes publicly.

Only FOUR people should be talking about this at all. Only FOUR.

 

[lovecraft68]

You are in a public place, there is zero expectation of privacy.
Additionally, most concerts venues have signs posted or addendum in their ticket purchase agreements that you are consenting to be recorded be being there.

Even if that wasn't the case filing a lawsuit would be pure Streisand Effect at this point.

It's just going to call more attention to it.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

It's just going to call more attention to it.

Exactly, pure Streisand Effect.
Plus, you aren't going to get much sympathy from a jury. "It's these people's fault we got caught cheating, we deserve money from them!"

Get a few married or divorced women on that jury and that's going nowhere.

 

[lovecraft68]

That doesn't mean the band turd needs to be calling attention to it and making jokes publicly.

Only FOUR people should be talking about this at all. Only FOUR.

I get your point, but when something goes up in front of people like that what do you expect.

You mentioned busybodies, well a few years ago I went with my daughter to see King Diamond in Worcester, I think she was 24/25 at the time. We're sitting there and she's mucking up to me to buy her a t-shirt and I'm telling her I bought the tickets and paid for parking, you work, buy your own shirt.

Well, she's playing around and leaning into me, she's pouting and batting the eyes putting her arm around me.

We're sitting next to a young boy and his parents. I finally cave and give her money and told her to grab me one too. She leaves and the woman says "You should be ashamed of yourself! She could be your daughter!"

I told her, "She is my damn daughter, what the hell is wrong with you?"

Seriously, some people.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

That doesn't mean the band turd needs to be calling attention to it and making jokes publicly.

Only FOUR people should be talking about this at all. Only FOUR.

He was asked about it, made a joke and moved on. I fail to see what's so bad about that.