In the History of Bad Ideas...does this one rate?

QueryGirl

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Hi, Folks!

This isn't my first post, so don't get all excited -- my regular Lit pseudonym simply found an alias for this delicate question. Ordinarily, I can be found skulking around the boards on a fairly regular basis.

Here's the sitch -- I'm a 29 year old mostly straight woman (love, love, love fucking women...but couldn't see myself in a committed relationship with anyone other than a XY). My very best friend (J) is a 34 year old gay male. He's a fairly recent widow (lost his love almost two years ago). We adore one another fabulously, and we talk about sex all the time (I'm rather insatiable, and have been jumping in/out of the sack with a string of toys in the past 6-9 months).

Monday night, J & I had drinks before a date I had scheduled, and he came over to sober up before he drove home. No big. In the midst of me showering and getting ready for my date, we started hugging and massaging one another. It felt really natural...and really good to get that kind of caring touch. We both got a wee bit excited, but we blew it off and he went home.

We'd made plans for him to come over Thursday night for the season finale of CSI. Again, we like hanging out together so this wasn't anything big. I was in the shower when he came in, but I'd left a note for him to grab a beer and get comfy. He'd commented earlier that afternoon at work that he had been looking longingly at my bathtub, since all he has is a shower, so I made sure to scrub it and leave a fresh towel out. While I ran to the store for scallops and wine for dinner, he took a hot bath. I was absolutely delighted that he felt comfortable enough in my home to do that.

So, dinner...CSI (hint: don't try to eat much when Tarantino is directing an episode of a crime drama!)...both of us lounging on the sofa, and he winds up stretched full-length on the sofa with his head in my lap. There've been so many times when I've craved caring touches with someone I love and can trust...but it's always felt awkward and wrong to ask my girlfriends to let me snuggle with them. So, I'm thinking "Yes! Fabulous! Oh, this is just what I need...his head in my lap and my fingers stroking his hair!"

Long story shorter...he ends up with his hands up my skirt, and his mouth nibbling and licking my tattoo (outer left thigh, due east of my pubic patch). A few chaste kisses, groans of frustration on both our parts, repositioning so that his feet are in my lap, and in moments, he's back to rubbing my legs and kissing my tattoo. Two and a half hours after CSI went off, J went home.

So now we're stuck in a conversation... It's quickly progressed from "can we handle this? will it get awkward?" to a discussion of how incredibly turned on we get around one another and how we *will* wind up in bed together. Soon. Neither one of us is pushing. In fact, we're almost too damned careful of one another's feelings. We're also horny, lonely, and fairly crazy about one another. (Damn my chromosomes, anyway!)

My question is this...what are we risking? I'm not concerned about the friendship. I love him too much to get all nasty and petty when he finally finds a boyfriend (though I know I'll probably end up falling pretty hard...he's a Will to my Grace).

I'm concerned about damaging him. At the same time, he's emotionally mature, stable, and one of the most adult men I know.

Grrrrrrr.

Thanks for your patience in reading -- and advance appreciation for your comments.

QG
 
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I think this falls into the friends with benefits catagory. As long as you can both talk and understand each others needs I odnt think there is anything wrong with it. Sounds like you both have good heads on your shoulders and as long as your both use contraception (babies tend to complicate matters :p ) I think this would be a fun exploration for you both.

you have the chance to be in a unique position that many will envy. Having a lover of the opposite sex that understands your needs to be with the same sex.

jmho
 
I agree with Mikijl Dragon.

You're on the brink of an enjoyable experience few ever have -- finding someone with whom you can talk, share feelings and each other, and who understands your needs to be with others of the same sex.

Enjoy.

QueryGirl said:
though I know I'll probably end up falling pretty hard ...

Just don't fall too hard. Also, if he's who you say he is, he'll help you back up. True friends and lovers are like that.
 
You mentioned the he lost his lover not long ago, and alluded that you may have left a relationship fairly recently yourself. It sounds to me like two lonely friends finding comfort with each other. If you can give yourselves that, it is worth some risk, isn't it?
 
QueryGirl said:
Hi, Folks!

This isn't my first post, so don't get all excited -- my regular Lit pseudonym simply found an alias for this delicate question. Ordinarily, I can be found skulking around the boards on a fairly regular basis.
My question is this...what are we risking? I'm not concerned about the friendship. I love him too much to get all nasty and petty when he finally finds a boyfriend (though I know I'll probably end up falling pretty hard...he's a Will to my Grace).

I'm concerned about damaging him. At the same time, he's emotionally mature, stable, and one of the most adult men I know.

Grrrrrrr.

Thanks for your patience in reading -- and advance appreciation for your comments.

QG
Well, for that matter everything in life is a risk. In this case, remember that friendship lasts much longer than sex. Friendships don't need to go there (Sex). You're both two lonely hurt people. But being that you both know each other well, this is going to be a real test for you both. If you don't want to hurt him, then proceed with caution. There's consequences to everything, and there's nothing worse than regrets. Sex can be found almost anywhere, not so with true friendship.



:cool:
 
Yes!

Thanks to all of you!

I guess I've just been worried about what this means in his life. I mean, he's so out he'd need a map and a compass to find his way back to the closet...and that only to nail 2x4s over the door.

And, it matters to me to know that he's attracted to me. I really don't think he's bi. Is it possible for him to be gay and still see me as a sexual object?

I think I know the answer to that last one already... <pout> But any words of wisdom and/or encouragement would help me here.

As far as my recent amorous history -- I've been unattached now for a year and a half.

Thanks again, All.

QG
 
Personal opinion

I think that if you're both emotionally mature enugh to handle a different side of the relationship then why not? Nothing ventured, nothing gained etc. etc. Having said that though, if there's any serious misgivings then don't bother. Fuck buddy relationships can be enormously difficult in the wrong circumstances.
 
QueryGirl said:
Is it possible for him to be gay and still see me as a sexual object?

Sure it is. Just because he's gay doesn't mean he can't ever be turned on by any woman ever.
 
Sex always changes the relationship between two people; you may not lose your friendship but it will undoubtedly change when you do sleep with each other.

Other than being prepared for whatever changes in your friendship do occur, there is nothing incredibly bad about your idea.

May you each find comfort in the other's arms.
 
kbate --

Thank you (and everyone else) for your words of wisdom. We're taking this slowly...enjoying one another's company.

I'm out of town this week on business, and he's out of town next week to visit family. We have a chance to see one another on Thursday night of this week...and have decided just to watch a movie...settle into our mutual attraction to one another more slowly.

best,
QG
 
QueryGirl said:
My question is this...what are we risking? I'm not concerned about the friendship. I love him too much to get all nasty and petty when he finally finds a boyfriend (though I know I'll probably end up falling pretty hard...he's a Will to my Grace).

funny you should mention Will & Grace, as Will isn't really gay anyway. Although Grace I think is unstable. Not that you are by comparison, but I digress...

Anyway, what are you risking? As usual, a broken heart. You've probably already been given this advice (I didn't read the whole theread yet), but talk to hi about it. A lot. make some agreements even, lay down some ground rules. Is it acceptable to both of you for him to simply start dating someone else if the right guy comes along, or not? Or for that matter, if someone comes along for you. Do you just pass them up and continue with J or do you just go back to being friends?

In any case, once you cross that sexual line, based on my experience and advice from others it seems you can never really go back to being friends as though nothing happened. Friends perhaps, but you can't turn back the clock. So make sure you're prepared for what might happen before you get anything. You said you're going slow anyway, so that was largely redundant...

I'm concerned about damaging him. At the same time, he's emotionally mature, stable, and one of the most adult men I know.

Well as you say, he is a mature adult and obviously a consenting one at that. It's not like you'll scar a young impressionable mind for life and somehow 'turn' him even more gay or whatever, if you 'molest' him as it were. It just doesn't work like that.

In short, if I were you I'd try not to worry too much and just go with the flow.
 
Stuponfucious said:
funny you should mention Will & Grace, as Will isn't really gay anyway. Although Grace I think is unstable. Not that you are by comparison, but I digress...

Thanks for making my morning. Too, too funny.... (Isn't Will gay? I mean, the character? I know the actor isn't....)

Is it acceptable to both of you for him to simply start dating someone else if the right guy comes along, or not? Or for that matter, if someone comes along for you. Do you just pass them up and continue with J or do you just go back to being friends?

Good call: I'm prepared to be pretty flexible on the whole dating thing...but maybe that's because I am "dating" (to put it in a ladylike manner) casually now, anyway. But I think it merits another conversation with J -- just because he knows I'm playing on the hetero slip-n-slide now doesn't mean he'd like me to if he and I sleep together. I'd give him no less consideration than I've given other casual beaux, and I expect the same in return (i.e., "Please give me all the information so that I can make healthy physical and emotional decisions about what I do with my body.").

In short, if I were you I'd try not to worry too much and just go with the flow.

Check.

Just call me Go-With-The-Flow-QueryGirl.
 
QueryGirl...what is meant to happen will happen!

I think sometimes we have to think & ponder and think some more on our given situations in life, but believe it or not our own minds get in the way of great relationships. (That includes sexual and otherwise!) I would say beyond the physical attraction or not what is at risk? Friends are friends but as someone else pointed out, once we cross the line in to a sexual affair then everything changes. Walk down this path with caution but do walk it in love. Could this be a rebound from the loss of another love? Only God & J--- knows.

I understand emotions and all have a major portion of how we act & react to people but where has the free spirit in life gone. I would never tell you what to do or not but..***** really is short and sometimes we make it more difficult than it needs to be. Always and I mean Always go into this or any relationship with an open mind. Expect the unexpected! Remember, don't look for your significance in others. Watch the Power the Tongue has and how deadly it truly can be, have fun and enjoy each other...

Really, life is too short to make it so difficult. Remember this last thought...
We are not promised tomorrow so live today as if it were your last...

Enjoy the friendship you have, taste the sweet nectar in life. Explore the riches that have been set before you ...

:rose: :rose: :rose: :kiss:
 
TDAW (and those who've PMed me separately) --

Each of you is right -- caution, safety, and enjoyment, are all the order of the day.

Is J rebounding? Absolutely. But he already had a 4 month rebound with a friend who visited (originally for 2 weeks, then J couldn't get him to go home) -- so this is a little bit different. I think our attraction has a lot to do with how comfortable we are with one another, and with our own sexual expectations, desires, and needs.

Thank you all, really, for all of your continued input, support, and criticisms. (Well-meant criticisms, I know! No harm, no foul!)

It's funny...but were this a hetero situation, I probably would still have these questions...just wouldn't know whom to ask. <grin>

You all are fabu!

QG
 
QueryGirl said:
Thanks for making my morning. Too, too funny.... (Isn't Will gay? I mean, the character? I know the actor isn't....)

Not in my opinion. Will is either bi with a very strong preference for men, or he's a straight guy who's kidding himself for some reason.
 
you may be setting yourself up

You want a relationship with a guy. This guy is safe you know him you like him and he is gay. He will use you to rebound from his misfortune and move on (you said he is gay not bi). You will be able to use the excuse that he is gay to save face of another relationship that ended. Mean while you have taken yourself off of the relationship market for the length of time you two will be together. Are you getting into this to avoid working on your own relationship skills?

On the other hand if you need a fuck because you like to fuck and he is interested he is safer than a one nite stand . Because if you bring a guy home to fuck that you just met it probably wont turn into a relationship. So occational fuck buddy is ok to get you through the dry spells but not every day.
 
stuponfucious:
"In any case, once you cross that sexual line, based on my experience and advice from others it seems you can never really go back to being friends as though nothing happened."

Hmm... yes, I think you can.
 
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stuponfucious:
"In any case, once you cross that sexual line, based on my experience and advice from others it seems you can never really go back to being friends as though nothing happened."

Hmm... yes, I think you can.
Yes...you can. There are problems but...yes, you can.
 
Never said:
stuponfucious:
"In any case, once you cross that sexual line, based on my experience and advice from others it seems you can never really go back to being friends as though nothing happened."

Hmm... yes, I think you can.

Based on my experience, I agree with you.
 
re: back to being friends

It's funny, I asked J just two nights ago if we'd be able to go back to being just friends, and he laughed and said "Of course we can, Silly!"

I pressed a little bit further (as I am wont to do), "Gosh, I can't imagine not always wanting to kiss you...."

J paused, arched his back a little bit and said "Well...friends...good friends...can kiss one another...right? <another pause> Like this?" and then proceeded to kiss me hard and deep.

Granted, the question probably was not fair, as we were lying naked on his bed, and I may have been thrumming my finger softly in his ass.

*****
In other news...my, but the sex is wonderful -- exciting, fun, humourous, and yes, sometimes wistful. I wouldn't undo what we've been doing. Not for the world. <big smile>

QG
 
update

So, today J sends me an unsolicited email. It's a transcript, dated 05.18.05, from a message board he frequents. In the transcript, he's asking his buddies if he should sleep with this woman from work...and states that he'll probably have to turn over his official homo card. This comes a good week and a half before we first kissed....

<grin>

Silly me. If only he wouldn't spoil me so....
 
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my two cents

My roomate/best friend and I have been friends for roughly 15 years. Though a couple of years into our friendship before either of us came out officially, we participated in some pretty sticky situations with other people, threesomes, etc. Though we never actually had sex with eachother.

These days he, his partner and I all share a house. No awkwardness ever comes of anything we did in the past. If anything we can joke and tease eachother about it.

So I definitely think that a friendship can survive, and grow after intimacy. It just has to have a strong foundation in the first place. :)
 
(love, love, love fucking women...but couldn't see myself in a committed relationship with anyone other than a XX
Men have XY not XX chromosomes.
 
You're right, of course. I think I was sleepy. And ever since, I've been too lazy to go back and change it.

<grin>

Thanks for the edit.

QG
 
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