In the face of appeasers all round the world on the bandwagon

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[Ham Murabi]

How refreshing. They spelled America without a "K."

 

[Gusty Wind]

PEACE ON EARTH ,,,
muah

 

[Gusty Wind]

We can still count on some friends

yes ?

sexyyyyyyyyy*

Are you alright ?

do you wanna to scold me now ?

I am here ?!

you start !

muah

hmmmmmmmmmmmm ???

 

[Gusty Wind]

hmmm...

handsome dude...

What was that under you sign line ?

Ma I specks to *I* ????

 

[Gusty Wind]

Alright !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

let me kill this htread .

as always...

hanns ..


I killed all yoiur htread yuo lnow ?

I killed all your thread you know ?

yes ?

am I being ignore ?

hmmmm...

THis thead is now... I declear....

DEAD !!!

GustyWind blew it down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Guest]

 

[busybody..]

this is from...........


TONY BLAIR:


.............But there are also consequences of "stop the war".

If I took that advice, and did not insist on disarmament, yes, there would be no war. But there would still be Saddam. Many of the people marching will say they hate Saddam. But the consequences of taking their advice is that he stays in charge of Iraq, ruling the Iraqi people. A country that in 1978, the year before he seized power, was richer than Malaysia or Portugal. A country where today, 135 out of every 1000 Iraqi children die before the age of five - 70% of these deaths are from diarrhoea and respiratory infections that are easily preventable. Where almost a third of children born in the centre and south of Iraq have chronic malnutrition.

Where 60% of the people depend on Food Aid.

Where half the population of rural areas have no safe water.

Where every year and now, as we speak, tens of thousands of political prisoners languish in appalling conditions in Saddam's jails and are routinely executed.

Where in the past 15 years over 150,000 Shia Moslems in Southern Iraq and Moslem Kurds in Northern Iraq have been butchered; with up to four million Iraqis in exile round the world, including 350,000 now in Britain.

This isn't a regime with Weapons of Mass Destruction that is otherwise benign. This is a regime that contravenes every single principle or value anyone of our politics believes in.

There will be no march for the victims of Saddam, no protests about the thousands of children that die needlessly every year under his rule, no righteous anger over the torture chambers which if he is left in power, will be left in being.

I rejoice that we live in a country where peaceful protest is a natural part of our democratic process.

But I ask the marchers to understand this.

I do not seek unpopularity as a badge of honour. But sometimes it is the price of leadership. And the cost of conviction.

But as you watch your TV pictures of the march, ponder this:

If there are 500,000 on that march, that is still less than the number of people whose deaths Saddam has been responsible for.

If there are one million, that is still less than the number of people who died in the wars he started................


I'd like to see the "peace" movement take some responsibility for the likely consequences of its views, and the deaths that may come from doing nothing. But those don't count, you see, because the United States isn't involved.
Meanwhile David Pryce-Jones writes that the protesters' lack of concern for Arab lives and freedom is, well, racist. "Behind the demonstrators' slogans lies the assumption that Arabs should be left alone: they don't mind being brutalised, tortured and murdered by a fascist thug like Saddam. Where they come from

 

[Freya]

Personally I just wish you fucking Yanks would either shit or get off the pot about this. It's getting so I can't hardly afford to drive anymore.

 

[busybody..]

US to punish German 'treachery'

Peter Beaumont, David Roseand Paul Beaver
Sunday February 16, 2003
The Observer

America is to punish Germany for leading international opposition to a war against Iraq. The US will withdraw all its troops and bases from there and end military and industrial co-operation between the two countries - moves that could cost the Germans billions of euros.
The plan - discussed by Pentagon officials and military chiefs last week on the orders of Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld - is designed 'to harm' the German economy to make an example of the country for what US hawks see as Chancellor Gerhard Schröder's 'treachery'.

The hawks believe that making an example of Germany will force other countries heavily dependent on US trade to think twice about standing up to America in future.

This follows weeks of increasingly angry exchanges between Rumsfeld and Germany, in which at one point he taunted Germany and France for being an irrelevant part of 'old Europe'.

Now Rumsfeld has decided to go further by unilaterally imposing the Pentagon's sanctions on a country already in the throes of economic problems.

'We are doing this for one reason only: to harm the German economy,' one source told The Observer last week.

'Our troops contribute many millions of dollars. Why should we continue to support a country which has treated Nato and the protection we provided for decades with such incredible contempt?'

Another Pentagon source said: 'The aim is to hit German trade and commerce. It is not just about taking out the troops and equipment; it is also about cancelling commercial contracts and defence-related arrangements.'

The Pentagon plan - and the language expressed by officials close to Rumsfeld - has horrified State Department officials, who believe that bullying other countries to follow the US line will further exacerbate anti-Americanism and alienate those European countries that might support a United Nations resolution authorising a war.

German industry earns billions of euros every year from supporting the US Army Europe which, although reduced from its Cold War heights, still totals 42,000 troops and 785 tanks - almost three times as many as the British Army owns. Many of these soldiers and their fighting equipment, including Apache helicopters, have already been sent to the Gulf.

German industry is heavily involved in supporting the US presence. Among the defence companies which stand to lose out are missile-maker Diehl, aerospace and defence giant EADS Deutschland, armaments maker Rheinmetall and vehicle maker Krauss-Maffei Wegmann.

There is also a US Air Force contingent of about 15,000 service people with bases at Bitburg, Frankfurt-am-Main and neighbouring Ramstein, where the commander doubles as part of the Nato command. This force includes nearly 60 F-16 fighter-bombers and a squadron of A-10 tank-buster aircraft.

Rumsfeld and his staff have made no attempt to hide their fury at Schröder's 'treachery and ineptitude' over Iraq. Last week Schröder leaked to reporters a Franco-German plan for avoiding war by increasing the number of UN weapons inspectors before informing his American counterparts.

'After this, Germany is finished as a serious power,' one of the sources added. 'This is simply not the way to conduct diplomacy at a moment of international crisis.' One diplomatic source said Rumsfeld was 'furious at Germany. He is a bruiser and it looks as though he means to do it'.

Under these plans, the US would move its troops in Europe eastwards to countries such as Poland, the Czech Republic and the Baltic states, all of which have strongly supported America's line against Saddam Hussein. It is likely that the overall size of the deployment would be reduced, as the US military changes its priorities for a long-term and disparate engagement with international terrorism.

Although Rumsfeld had already been considering a redeployment of US troops around the world after a war in Iraq to save money and respond to new threats, the plans now under consideration go far beyond what had been discussed.

It is likely that future years will see a sharp increase in the proportion of special forces troops able to deploy rapidly across the globe.

Germany would suffer considerable financial loss if US forces were withdrawn from the country. The bases provide jobs for local people as everything from administrators to cleaners, and are huge customers for dairy products and bread.

 

[Gusty Wind]

mmmuuuuuuaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh`h`h``

Gusty you need help.

gEEs....

hanns you know...you are right.

And I am helplessly hopeless.

and NO ONE can help you know.

sigh*

sigh*

sigh*******************

 

[TheEarl]

Busybody: See, this is why nobody likes or trusts America. At the slightest hint of dissention from their foreign policy, they are very quite to shaft their allies. Note: allies, not vassal states. Cf. Suez crisis where the USA shafted England and France by siding with Russia.

The Earl

 

[Gusty Wind]

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hey.. hannsOme..

wanna to check up Some hOt babes At F1 BABes..

gEes.. still can't catch my Puddi cat .

I really need to takes hre to thr VET .

How are you doing ? huu uu

never mind .

 

[Ham Murabi]

Busybody: See, this is why nobody likes or trusts America. At the slightest hint of dissention from their foreign policy, they are very quite to shaft their allies. Note: allies, not vassal states. Cf. Suez crisis where the USA shafted England and France by siding with Russia.

The Earl

So the U.S. doing the shafting. Is there any chance you would consider France and Germany are shafting the U.S.?
Just wondering.

 

[Gusty Wind]

So the U.S. doing the shafting. Is there any chance you would consider France and Germany are shafting the U.S.?
Just wondering.

it's possible.



ps...

HM...

when are you gonna finish fixing that sink ?

 

[Gusty Wind]

aww..



hey.. HannsOme,,

Why did you Busted into my bed room last night ? huh ?

With out Knocking ?

Do you wanna explain to me ?


WHY ?????



If you don't .

I will understand .

muah

 

[Gusty Wind]

hehe..

you pissed him off and scared the shiy out of him.

hhhahahahaha

But you makes me LOLOLOLOLOL

HAHAHAHHAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAAHAHAA

Stili....



you know...



You don't lnow

Never mind .

 

[Gusty Wind]

hehe..

you pissed him off and scared the shit out of him.

hhhahahahaha

But you makes me LOLOLOLOLOL

HAHAHAHHAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAAHAHAA

Stili....



you know...


You don't know

Never mind .

ahaha .. LIT wouldn't let me POST >> DUHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!

How are you holding up ?

Are you OK over all ?

Muah

 

[Gusty Wind]

hmmm...

I guess ..

this is enough BUMP !! For the day .

see you when i see you

 

[TheEarl]

HM: No, I don't think France and Germany are shafting the US. They are choosing not to involve themselves in a war that they believe they have no right to be in. That's fair enough. When asked to vote in the UN, they will vote as they believe.

The US has a history of trying to bend other countries to follow their foreign policy and brooks no deviations. England and France invaded Egypt over Suez and were 2 hours from victory when America crashed both of their currencies and refused to trade with them until they retreated. Why? Because they were involved in a war that America didn't want to be in.

France and Germany are stating their opinion. They're not tryign to force it on anyone else through immoral or illegal actions.

The Earl