In the Days Before MTV

Thomas Paine

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My past came back to haunt me yesterday.

One of the cable channels, AMC I think, ran two hours of the mid-60's rock music TV show, Hullabaloo, and by the end of the first half-hour, I was squirming in my seat with embarrassment. I couldn't believe that anything that seemed so cool when I was 12 could be so gut-wrenchingly bad today.

Back in the day when rock music was first becoming mainstream, TV didn't know what to do with it, and "Hullabaloo" (and no doubt its sibling "Shindig") is firm evidence of that fact that their best effort was to turn it into yet another network variety show. The format was pretty simple: a guest host, usually a solo performer of some note, opened with a song (more on that in a moment) then introduced that week's guest musicians who would perform their current hit. Toward the end of the show, the guests would gather and peform other people's current hits, then a "go-go" segment featuring an up-and-coming act crammed onto a tiny stage would finish it off.

So, what did I see that made me cringe?

A very young Michael Landon, with a V-neck sweater and a D.A. (if you don't know what that is, you don't want to know...) singing, yes, singing.

Gary Lewis, son of Jerry and lead singer for the one-hit wonders, Gary Lewis and the Playboys, hosting and opening a show with a big band arrangement of "Wild Blue Yonder" -- yep, the Air Force theme song.

The Byrds, with David Crosby in poncho and full smirk, singing the Lovin' Spoonful's "Do You Believe in Magic?" and looking none too damn happy about it, except for Roger McGuinn dancing around like he was very, very high.

The Hullabaloo dancers, all squeaky clean in their show logo sweatshirts or Mary Quant mini-dresses, frugging all over the damn place. All of them, with the possible exception of one guy who looked suspiciously part Asian, white, blonde and blue-eyed.

There was more, too, but I couldn't take it anymore, especially when I walked back into the room only to see Sonny and Cher, in full fake-fur vest mode, yucking it up with that week's host, the Samela himself, Sammy Davis Jr.

I will never, ever sneer at MTV again, I promise.
 
We have "Top of the Pops" which is still going and although the old performances can be cheesey they are good for a laugh, in fact they have a show called "Top of the Pops 2" that is nothing but old clips from past episodes and they're great to watch, you really get the good the bad and the ugly on that show :D
 
MTV out....now VH1

I remember when MTV first came out....it was really
cool...music videos galore.......I remember going over
to friends' houses to watch it (at the time we didn't have
cable at my house!)........

But now I enjoy VH1........MTV isn't really what it used
to be...I agree w/ Lavender-----it has turned into
a "less video" and more shows (I do have to admit
that I enjoy "Undressed" and "Dismissed")
and girls shakin their booty.......it seems
that MTV is aiming towards the younger generation
(those who are in middle school/high school now)...and
VH1 is geared towards everyone.....

Sign 'o' the Times I guess.....

TJ
 
Oh, I realize MTV has gone to shit. I really liked it when it first appeared, too, but just skip past it with the remote these days. However, if you could see just how cringingly godawful "Hullabaloo" was, you'd glue yourself to MTV if it were the only alternative.

And, Lavender, Michael Landon as a singer was even worse than you imagined. Picture a swivel-hipping, yellow-sweatered, shrimpy Elvis clone.

Oh, and lest I forget, Outsider, the Brits were well (?) represented. I sat through half of Noel Harrison (Rex' son) grumbling his way through "his new pop hit", a cover version of "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue." It was a performance worthy of William Shatner.
 
I saw an interview with an MTV exec where he confessed that nothing on MTV appealed to him anymore, either, and that was what he was aiming for. MTV has always targeted itself at the teens and college-aged twentysomethings, and it's popularity (as measured by viewership and advertising income) is at an all-time high right now. It doesn't appeal to us because we are outside the projected demographic.
 
Unfortunately, VH1 isn't far behind MTV as far as getting away from music videos. They are pretty good as a music station, don't get me wrong, but they just don't show many music videos anymore. When they do the history of Rock, and include Michael Jackson, or ANY cRAPPERS, then I just turn it off.
 
re: VH1

VH1 in my opinion still shows more music videos....I know
this because they show from 3am-6am the "late nite"
deal w/ videos........and also "Cardiovideo" which is
from 6-8 or 9am...then its the "Morning Mix"......what I
do enjoy about VH1 is how they show musical history
in terms of their "Behind the Music" specials and
diff. musical programs. I don't think its becoming like MTV
at all because VH1 doesn't do the shows like MTV does
re: Spring Break and Summer....VH1 aims more towards
a greater audience......something for everyone, while
MTV seems to be aiming at the teens and college kids
these days. And a good majority of videos on MTV
are rap/hip-hop....while VH1 shows a good variety.

TJ
 
don't get me wrong, I watch VH1 ALOT. In fact I LOVE to watch Behind The Music, it's one of the most informative music shows out there. However after they did the Journey B.T.M., and I found out that Steve Perry had total control over what was shown on TV, then I lost respect for the producers of the show, because I consider that not creative editing, but rather lying to the viewers.
 
interesting fact!

lobito said:
don't get me wrong, I watch VH1 ALOT. In fact I LOVE to watch Behind The Music, it's one of the most informative music shows out there. However after they did the Journey B.T.M., and I found out that Steve Perry had total control over what was shown on TV, then I lost respect for the producers of the show, because I consider that not creative editing, but rather lying to the viewers.

Very interesting fact....I never knew that! How did
you find that out? I wonder if the featured artist on
B.T.M. has some input?

TJ
 
Thomas Paine said:
There was more, too, but I couldn't take it anymore, especially when I walked back into the room only to see Sonny and Cher, in full fake-fur vest mode, yucking it up with that week's host, the Samela himself, Sammy Davis Jr.

I will never, ever sneer at MTV again, I promise.


Nahhhhhhhhh that wasn't Cher, the real Cher, the Cher of face lifts, nose jobs and enough black hair dye to dye every Goth in the world. It must have been her mother.;)
 
music history

Wiggles said:
I agree with you all that MTV has mainly gone down the crap hole but VH1 isn't much better. I find the "Where are they now?" shows quite depressing, and I will never forgive VH1 for the pop-up videos. Very annoying;)

MTV is actually decent from 2 a.m. till around 7 a.m. though...
:D

I like the VH1 "Where Are They Now" segments and
the "Pop-Up videos".......they give good insight on
what happened to the various artists, plus in terms
of videos, its really cool to find out how/when the video
was made and the tidbits behind it.

TJ
 
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