#imWithHer

[BoyNextDoor]

First of all, the CRA was the genesis of all that followed. The Col. is correct in his assessment and verification of de Tocqueville's observations.

Swerving in a new direction. You are supporting a party that has made its objective to give citizenship to EVERY illegal. Why? They are uneducated, unskilled, and unhealthy. Their very presence here is redundant. Technology, especially robotics, is accelerating to the point that most of the jobs they might fulfill are going to be gone. They will become nothing more than welfare recipients and voters to sustain their parasitic life style.

But you, along with many others, are going to vote your feelings, and your genitals, to support a criminal. Which, quite frankly, makes you nothing more than a criminal yourself.

Ishmael

No. My genitals and feelings have very little to do with my vote. The titular head of the party has little to do with it as well.

I am voting for Bernie's public policy priorities, because they are MY public policy priorities and because they are now a part of the Democratic Party's platform.

I will not vote for a party that has a platform like the one that the Republicans endorsed at their convention. IMO not only is it misguided, but it crosses the line into racist, misogynistic and violates the Establishment Clause.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Super.

(Of course that does not mean a minimum wage of $100. So before any dopes want to go there just shut it).

If you're not going at least 22/hr they aren't eating, if you don't go up to about 50/hr they are spinning wheels and won't have that hallmark expendable income.

To have what you're talking about min wage needs to be at least 35/40 an hr. That's in cheap states, liburhul ass joints like CA and NY? Going to need clost to 2x that if not the 100/hr.

I made 130/hr in SF....I've never been so god damn poor.

LOL good luck with that.

""Medicare for all" is a euphemism for universal healthcare,

Yea, a euphemism for (D)'s fucking everyone up the ass for their bureaucrat/corporate goons.

A well educated citizenry is actually an incredibly interesting good, because it is a public good.

Not when we are pushing EVERYONE through with gold stars to get government funding it's not.

That kind of education means you need a degree to flip burgers or mow lawns....which is fucking stupid.

NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND!! Everyone gets to be an astronaut because feelings!!

Those educated people may be the workers for the next set of capitalists to employ (exploit), they may be the teachers that educate the next generation or the next generation of capitalists themselves.

If the government doesn't take it's boot heel off of the middle class's throats there will be no next gen of capitalist.

Capitalism is about fucking dead, especially in liberal democrat states....who fucking HATE entrepreneurs with a white hot searing passion.

Now, as to how this results in lasting wealth equality, that remains to be seen.

LOL yea, none of it will create lasting wealth as long as the big money continues using the government to destroy/block any and all competition.

 

[BotanyBoy]

IMO not only is it misguided, but it crosses the line into racist, misogynistic and violates the Establishment Clause.

Any chance you'd get specific about that?

I've only glanced over it, didn't see anything about depriving women or minorities of rights.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Super.

Raising the minimum wage puts direct pressure on capitalist fundamental class process. Basically stated, wages represent the necessary value derived from commodity creation for the person creating the value to be able to continue to recreate the conditions that allow them to continue to create value, ie. paying people enough to show backup at work. By legislating the baseline for the split between necessary and surplus value (where surplus is defined as the amount of value created over and above the value necessary to pay them) it reduces the amount of surplus available to be appropriated and distributed by the capitalists. It also means that the necessary value paid to the person creating the commodity starts to approach the level of providing them with some discretionary income. Having discretionary income is one of the hallmarks of being in the middle class. So if you are an advocate for meaningful public policy that is aimed at improving the plight of the middle class, there pretty much is no better public policy at this time. (Of course that does not mean a minimum wage of $100. So before any dopes want to go there just shut it).

""Medicare for all" is a euphemism for universal healthcare, or more precisely stated providing for a public option for when the market for healthcare fails. Healthcare is a unique commodity. It is unique, in one respect among many, in that the market does not adequately describe its distribution. Toothpaste distribution, however, is perfectly described by the market. You may have tarter control, extra whitening, sensitive, extra minty or complete. Healthcare distribution, however, is typically described by an inverse demand curve where the willingness and ability to buy (the defi ition of demand) are dissociative. So, the free market is not a credible solution to the distribution of the scarcity of healthcare and therefore an alternative must be found. Since all humans will in fact require healthcare it follows that a non-market, or at least a regulated market solution, is necessary. And so it follows that a Universal Healthcare, public option or ""Medicare for all" public policy approach is warranted.

A well educated citizenry is actually an incredibly interesting good, because it is a public good. A decent working definition of a public good is: " a commodity or service that is provided without profit to all members of a society, either by the government or a private individual or organization." Another definition that is also very interesting is: "public goods are "nonrivalrous" and "nonexcludable." National defense, sewer systems, public parks and other basic societal goods can all be considered public goods." So I suppose strictly speaking a well educated citizenry is not "nonrivalrous" on the labor market in the sense that if I am consuming your labor, someone else may not. But similarly if I have the best picnic spot in the park you may not have it, simultaneously. In any event, $125,000.00 does not seem all that "low-income" to me. Again this is a public policy initiative geared towards establishing a bottom line for the Middle Class where we invest in the education of the citizenry to "provide without profit to all members of a society" educated people. Those educated people may be the workers for the next set of capitalists to employ (exploit), they may be the teachers that educate the next generation or the next generation of capitalists themselves.

Now, as to how this results in lasting wealth equality, that remains to be seen. However, I will argue that there is significant evidence that there is a more general prosperity in the US when a Democrat is in the White House. At least in my lifetime. I am 47 years old. The US Presidents in my lifetime have been: Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama. The reason that there is a growing middle class and a more general prosperity when there is a Democrat in the WH (at least since I have been on the planet) is because the public policy lead by a Democrat is focused on (i) moving the line in favor of the laborer when it comes to necessary labor; (ii) acknowledging that the market is an inefficient and ineffective mechanism for distributing health care necessary for a healthy population; and (iii) recognizing that educating the citizenry so that there is a significant and technically well-educated labor pool is critical to the advancement of American industry.

So there you have it.

Thank you.

I go back to this quote from the OP:

This election is about ending the grotesque level of income and wealth inequality that we currently experience, the worst it has been since 1928. It is not moral, not acceptable and not sustainable that the top one-tenth of one percent now own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent, or that the top 1 percent in recent years has earned 85 percent of all new income. That is unacceptable. That must change

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Two observations. Wealth leverages wealth, aka "the time value of money" whereby an investment grows dramatically in the latter years of the investment when returns are left on deposit if interest rates remain stable or even rise. There is nothing inherently immoral about that or that I now have far more money to invest in the latter stages of my life than when I was just starting out. The same is true for capitalists and entrepreneurs who accept a level of risk that salaried wage earners won't or can't. Neither Bill Gates, Warren Buffett or Jeff Bezos inherited their fortunes nor would they qualify as robber barons even if they had. This moral outrage over rich people simply being rich is disingenuous horseshit. Mark Zuckerberg is, imho, an insufferable prick. But I can't think of a law he broke in amassing a small fortune.

Chill out.

Secondly, four of the Democratic Presidents in your 47-year lifetime have apparently done precious little to forestall the "worst wealth inequality since 1928." With that in mind, I am at a loss as to how they have so effectively won your confidence that the next of their lineage will now dramatically reverse that trend. I would also suggest that national economic cyclic trends have LARGE independence over government policies. If that was NOT true, NO president would ever be dumb enough to allow a recession to occur on his watch, though virtually every President has been quick to take credit for an economic recovery whether his policies directly contributed to it or not.

Your problem is you believe that only the ones with the R after their names are the ones bullshitting you.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If Hillary hired Gorgoroth to play all her events.....I might vote for her.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDiM9wVUkAAlQVN.jpg

 

[richard_daily]

Say what you want about Trump, atleast he says what's on his mind absent a filter. Unlike Hillary who takes every position.

So you want to vote for Trump because he has Tourettes?

That's an interesting way of thinking about the necessary qualifications for president.

Me, I want a president who knows how to control their emotions... because you know... nukes.

 

[richard_daily]

First of all, the CRA was the genesis of all that followed. The Col. is correct in his assessment and verification of de Tocqueville's observations.

Swerving in a new direction. You are supporting a party that has made its objective to give citizenship to EVERY illegal. Why? They are uneducated, unskilled, and unhealthy. Their very presence here is redundant. Technology, especially robotics, is accelerating to the point that most of the jobs they might fulfill are going to be gone. They will become nothing more than welfare recipients and voters to sustain their parasitic life style.

But you, along with many others, are going to vote your feelings, and your genitals, to support a criminal. Which, quite frankly, makes you nothing more than a criminal yourself.

Ishmael

I find the Nostradamus sage wisdom of your statement puzzling... because if that was the obvious cause, what do you do to hold the republicans accountable for not overturning it the 2-3 times that they held a total majority in congress since the CRA's passing?

Are you saying that the republicans were too dumb to see it coming?

 

[Liar]

So you want to vote for Trump because he has Tourettes?

That's an interesting way of thinking about the necessary qualifications for president.

Me, I want a president who knows how to control their emotions... because you know... nukes.

But hey, pox on both houses, amiright?

 

[richard_daily]

But hey, pox on both houses, amiright?

Yes.

Clinton will get us embroiled in at least one middle east conflict, with boots on the ground.

Most likely in Syria or Libya.

She's not a better choice than Trump.

Both are terrible choices.

We need a new system.

You continue to accept the crap that they give you, and they'll keep giving you crap.

 

[Liar]

Yes.

Clinton will get us embroiled in at least one middle east conflict, with boots on the ground.

Most likely in Syria or Libya.

She's not a better choice than Trump.

Both are terrible choices.

We need a new system.

You continue to accept the crap that they give you, and they'll keep giving you crap.

Yes a new system is needed.

I'm recognizing that a new system is not in place yet. Because it's... y'know... not.

If you truly think Trump and Clinton are equally dangerous then fair enough. I disagree. Both are crap. One is crap covering a landmine.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

Let me be as clear as I can be.<snip>
This election is about ending the 40-year decline of our middle class

The problem with this thinking is
1)If the American middle class has been declining for 40 years (and you don't like it)
then

2)The "establishment" is to blame (Since there hasn't been a political outsider in the White House)
which leads to

3) Voting anti-establishment.

Clinton is about as establishment as you can get (Arguably Jeb Bush was more establishment, but he ain't running)

Trump is a novice politician, clearly an outsider.

Do you really think most voters will put more thought than that into this election? Ask the "remain" folks how that went.

 

[GimpyIntellect]

I didn't get a chance to watch the DNC last night, but is it true when Bill Clinton was up speaking he started the chant "Imwithher....and her....and her...and her...."?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

That was a good post Colonel.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

clearly democrats voters are fucking stupid. you elected a junkie for God's sake (jfk).

now you want to elect crooked hillary.

what the fuck is wrong with you retards?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes a new system is needed.

I'm recognizing that a new system is not in place yet. Because it's... y'know... not.

If you truly think Trump and Clinton are equally dangerous then fair enough. I disagree. Both are crap. One is crap covering a landmine.

You keep putting people in office who got there because of the system, then a new one will never happen.

It's as silly as electing Clinton to take on the 1% for the working class....it's fucking laughable.

 

[Que]

Yes.

Clinton will get us embroiled in at least one middle east conflict, with boots on the ground.

Most likely in Syria or Libya.

She's not a better choice than Trump.

Both are terrible choices.

We need a new system.

You continue to accept the crap that they give you, and they'll keep giving you crap.

If she puts boots on the ground she deny them tanks like she did on her humanitarian mission to Somalia. People forget that Hillary directly was involved in that operation and in that exact decision.

Contrast that with Trump being castigated for his stated non-aggression if it ain't our bidness position.

Why does Trump not have the code pink vote after 7.5 years of silence? Because it's completely different when an "historic" president bombs a record number of civilians.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If she puts boots on the ground she deny them tanks like she did on her humanitarian mission to Somalia. People forget that Hillary directly was involved in that operation and in that exact decision.

Youz talking bout 1993 ???

Contrast that with Trump being castigated for his stated non-aggression if it ain't our bidness position.

Yea but he's like Hitler....and racist so facts/reality don't matter anymore, he's bad and Clinton is progressive!!

Why does Trump not have the code pink vote after 7.5 years of silence? Because it's completely different when an "historic" president bombs a record number of civilians.

Nah....just has to be (D).

(D) can do anything. They could start WWIII point blank and the left would just SWOOON like never before.

Kill millions in a for shitz n giggles nuclear attack? As long as they have a (D) in front of their name they should get a peace prize.

Wealth inequality? Only a problem when (R)'s are in office....as long as it's (D) selling the citizenry out it's PROGRESS!!

I hope America shits the bed so fucking hard.

 

[Liar]

You keep putting people in office who got there because of the system, then a new one will never happen.

It's as silly as electing Clinton to take on the 1% for the working class....it's fucking laughable.

The toothpaste is out of the tube for this election cycle. What's left is triage.

Ok those metaphors don't quite work together. But eh, you get the point.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The toothpaste is out of the tube for this election cycle. What's left is triage.

Ok those metaphors don't quite work together. But eh, you get the point.

Well yea, it's designed to be that way so the 1% can cram their puppet down everyone's throat.

So keep voting for their chosen one.

Remember she's fighting for us!!
https://imgur.com/OmBUvue.jpg



HAHAHAHAAAAAA!!! LMFOA.

 

[Tryharder62]

I haven't decided what to do yet but I have made one decision. It will not be her!

 

[richard_daily]

Yes a new system is needed.

I'm recognizing that a new system is not in place yet. Because it's... y'know... not.

If you truly think Trump and Clinton are equally dangerous then fair enough. I disagree. Both are crap. One is crap covering a landmine.

And for every hogwash, mediocre candidate like Clinton that you accept, change just grew a little further out of reach.

The government will only give us what we accept. If we stop accepting mediocrity, we'll stop getting it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The government will only give us what we accept. If we stop accepting mediocrity, we'll stop getting it.

Unfortunately generation snowflake and gold stars for everyone have created a mediocre society so I wouldn't expect anyone to give a shit soon.

Americans will only fight the other side and let their team do any manner of fucked up things without holding them accountable.

We deserve Clinton or Trump.

 

[richard_daily]

Unfortunately generation snowflake and gold stars for everyone have created a mediocre society so I wouldn't expect anyone to give a shit soon.

Americans will only fight the other side and let their team do any manner of fucked up things without holding them accountable.

We deserve Clinton or Trump.

As much as I hate to agree with this statement, you're absolutely right.

We definitely deserve what we get here...

However, it's got to be said that the special snowflakes (millennials) voted in huge numbers against Clinton.

The real problem is the baby boomers, who should have the wherewithall to know when they're being connned, but apparently, they'd still fall for a Nigerian 404 scam even after them being around "for years" and having "experience".

 

[Que]

As much as I hate to agree with this statement, you're absolutely right.

We definitely deserve what we get here...

However, it's got to be said that the special snowflakes (millennials) voted in huge numbers against Clinton.

The real problem is the baby boomers, who should have the wherewithall to know when they're being connned, but apparently, they'd still fall for a Nigerian 404 scam even after them being around "for years" and having "experience".

You're not wrong about the demographics but all three candidates Bernie Clinton and Trump appeal to voters for exactly the same selfish reason. And they all sold a load of bullshit to garner those votes.

This economy has sucked for over 8-9 years now. Putting a bright shiny face on what are actually pretty grim numbers hasn't changed the reality in most people's lives. This has hit the Millennials more than any other generation.

People want to see improvement in their actual lives , in their standard of living and all three of those candidates made promises that they cannot possibly deliver because the prescriptions offered will not work.

It came down to which Pied Piper the people believed because they needed to believe.

 

[Liar]

You keep putting people in office who got there because of the system, then a new one will never happen.

It's as silly as electing Clinton to take on the 1% for the working class....it's fucking laughable.

How will a new one happen?

If you think you'll get anything but a warm fuzzy feeling of "fuckheahimarebel" for three minutes from opting out to make a statement, you're truly delusional.

Change happens when you work it. Consistently, actively, doggedly, for a long time. Not because you pout because you didnt get your instant unicorn.