Impossible in Trump's America- be politically neutral but support all groups

[bodysong]

Impossible in Trump's America- Be politically neutral, but support all groups


Is it possible accomodate all of them ?

 

[KeithD]

What the Trumpettes can't/won't get is that it's possible to condemn Trump, not as a Republican (which he isn't, not really), but simply because he's a corrupt, criminal, treasonous, congenital lying, racist, Neo-Nazi, sexually abusing, kidnapping, back stabbing piece of shit who has gathered about him Trumpettes in his same image who like to troll porn discussion boards.

 

[jaF0]

Impossible in Trump's America- Be politically neutral, but support all groups

No. Some groups should not be supported.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Impossible in Trump's America- Be politically neutral, but support all groups


Is it possible accomodate all of them ?

No....some groups are opposed to one another at the most basic fundamental levels.

The USA needs to shit or get off the pot and figure out what kinda fucking country it's going to be.

Are we going to be a union of states governed in accordance with western liberal ideals via a representative democracy?

Or are we going to be an undefined, single nation state governed in accordance with ethno-socialist/identitarian ideals via a direct democracy??

Can't have it both ways.....we have to pick one, the sooner the better.

 

[Dumpling]

No....some groups are opposed to one another at the most basic fundamental levels.

The USA needs to shit or get off the pot and figure out what kinda fucking country it's going to be.

Are we going to be a union of states governed in accordance with western liberal ideals via a representative democracy?

Or are we going to be an undefined, single nation state governed in accordance with ethno-socialist/identitarian ideals via a direct democracy??

Can't have it both ways.....we have to pick one, the sooner the better.

This Article might interest you ~~>

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/why-canada-is-able-to-do-things-better?utm_source=pocket-newtab

 

[moonflasher]

What the Trumpettes can't/won't get is that it's possible to condemn Trump, not as a Republican (which he isn't, not really), but simply because he's a corrupt, criminal, treasonous, congenital lying, racist, Neo-Nazi, sexually abusing, kidnapping, back stabbing piece of shit who has gathered about him Trumpettes in his same image who like to troll porn discussion boards.

You mean those of us that will vote him to his second term.....Yep that's us :

 

[BotanyBoy]

The direction we're heading isn't good. It's always a good idea to prepare for the worst...

I think the direction the screeching left wants to go isn't good....but they don't have the support they need to turn the USA into the USSSA.

This Article might interest you ~~>

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/why-canada-is-able-to-do-things-better?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Great article on the Canadian and arguably the perspective of most folks from social democracies. Though I think a few points were misguided, arguably because the author doesn't know what America is nor any understanding of its political history. Which is cool, at least 1/4 of US citizens don't either.

Quotes from your link...

The United States is falling apart because—unlike Canada and other wealthy countries—the American public sector simply doesn’t have the funds required to keep the nation stitched together.

It does have the funds. America doesn't have a money problem it has a corruption and greed problem.

If you gave most states 10 TRILLION dollars this year, not a single extra pothole would get filled, k-12 teachers wouldn't get their classrooms funded or a raise, cops would still be making 55k a year and fire departments would still need to have bake sales to get basic gear.

Bet you the officials and bureaucrats would all be getting big time raises though, pet projects to line their own pockets would be getting super funding, home boy hook ups and in-laws would be getting insane contracts. The public at large however would get very very little and there isn't any amount of money that will change that.

A country where impoverished citizens rely on crowdfunding to finance medical operations isn’t a country that can protect the health of its citizens. A country that can’t ensure the daily operation of Penn Station isn’t a country that can prevent transportation gridlock. A country that contracts out the operations of prisons to the lowest private bidder isn’t a country that can rehabilitate its criminals.

The USA was founded upon the ideals of English liberalism and is a union of states structured in a federal manner, it's not the federal governments job to do those things. It can be argued it's a state responsibility, but that's up to the people of said state to decide.

If the United States followed that mean OECD rate, there would be about an extra $1.5 trillion annually for governments to spend on better schools, safer roads, better-trained police, and more accessible health care.

The states who want those things could have them, if they dealt with their corruption issues and truly desired those things.

But those are all state issues, not our federal governments.

California alone has almost the same population as Canada with almost twice as much money. There is absolutely no reason they can't have better versions of all the social safety nets as Canada.

But they won't do it....because they just like to talk about it, raising taxes for it and never following through. So that's what they've got.

What does that 10 percent premium buy for my family? Aside from universal health care, there’s world-class public schools, a social safety net that keeps income inequality at rates well below America’s

Income inequity, I say inequity because we have equality, everyones dollar is worth and spends the same.

Inequity is NOT at all a concern of a liberal government or a federal concern in the USA. Nowhere in the US Constitution is our federal nor any state government charged with ensuring any sort of social and or economic equity.

Quite the opposite, it does a lot to protect the individual, their property and their pursuit of happiness FROM the government doing exactly that.

You pay your taxes, you get your government. That might not be chanted at any political rallies or printed on any baseball hats. But it works for Canada. And it’d work for America too.

It does work for for the USA. We absolutely have the governments we deserve.

Good times have made the citizenry complacent and as a result corruption has festered to the point people are starting to pay attention again. It's an unavoidable side effect of democracy.

 

[JackLuis]

BB, I somewhat agree with you, but you miss the point. American policy is that "Everyone is Equal Before the Law" however, this is not how it plays out. Epstine get a playful slap on the wrist for kiddie diddling and black people get shot for scaring a cop, by being black.

When the law is actually applied from the top down, we may have some equality. When the VP is not prosecutable from war crimes he actually did, we have no equality. When the President is not prosecuted for killing people without due process, we have no equality.

When Corporation are People, and they break the law, who goes to jail? The CEO, the Board of Directors? NO! The share holders pay the price and the fat cats get Golden Parachutes.

 

[BotanyBoy]

BB, I somewhat agree with you, but you miss the point. American policy is that "Everyone is Equal Before the Law"

Yes that has been the beacon the USA has been and is still working towards. It can be argued that in the last 243 years we've done a pretty good job at coming a very long ways in an amazingly short period of time.

But that's not the point or the argument being made.

That argument is being made for social and economic EQUITY, and in favor of centralized federal authority in order to provide it....those are very different things Mr.Luis.

however, this is not how it plays out.

No, but it is the official objective.

Most "conservatives" and all liberals like it that way.

The left however wants to change the objective to equity. This is where the major divide is happening, what the current culture wars are about, that's the beef, the point of contention.

Epstine get a playful slap on the wrist for kiddie diddling and black people get shot for scaring a cop, by being black.

What about all the white people who get shot for being white? Last I checked in total numbers it happens more to them than to black people. It's ok they are white and deserve it right? Besides, doesn't really support the whole "woke" narrative that the USA is suuuuuuper racist, cops are evil and white people are even worse....and we can't have any facts undermining that gem now can we?? That would be Nazism.

What about when a rich white woman gets caught by the FBI stealing classified documents and is let go because it's just not reasonable while at the same time E5 taking a selfie with a secret piece of gear in the background violates the exact same law and gets hammered with 15 years in Leavenworth??

When the law is actually applied from the top down, we may have some equality. When the VP is not prosecutable from war crimes he actually did, we have no equality. When the President is not prosecuted for killing people without due process, we have no equality.

I 100% agree with you that elitism is fucking TERRIBLE and totally infuriating.

When Corporation are People, and they break the law, who goes to jail? The CEO, the Board of Directors? NO! The share holders pay the price and the fat cats get Golden Parachutes.

I hear ya...but that's not all corporations either, there is a lot of elitism in the corporate world too. Which again, should be stopped. 100%....Mom and Pop florist ain't Monsanto or Wal Mart.