Implants: Good or Bad?

[Whispersecret]

I wonder if the fact that women can pay for larger breasts has had an adverse effect on society. No, really!

So many of the ultra-beautiful women paraded in the various media, have big breasts (natural or enhanced). Average American women view these idealized beauties day after day and wonder about their own looks. Some go ahead and pay for implants.

Suppose that there were no such things as breast implants. Suppose that the beautiful women in the media had all the variations of breast size and shape that occur naturally. Do you think that women in general would then feel better about their own “imperfect” breasts? Would there be less emphasis placed on breast size among both sexes?

 

[Weird Harold]

I wonder if the fact that women can pay for larger breasts has had an adverse effect on society.

I think it's just an extention of a long list of devices invented to aid women in attracting men. I'm sure that in the afternoon of the day the Bra was invented, someone invented padding for it.

All human societies have emphasized some aspect of the female body and exagerated it to appear more attractive to potential mates. Codpieces, corsets, and bustles are just some examples. Implants are just a modern high tech version of a corset.

 

[Melody_lane]

Ya know..speaking as a young girl, with not so big..hell, I'd go as far as to call them little, breasts- I have no desire to enhance them. I think that it is probably a matter of self esteem. I'm content with my body, and don't feel the need to medically enhance it. If I want a little more *umph* to my breasts I will by a push up bra, or something along those lines. I think Harold there is right....on this point anyway.

However, I do think that there are a variation of breast sizes in the media.
There is kate moss and then there is Emme- to name just a pair of conflicting types.
I think it just depends on what your ideal beauty would consist of. We are all skewed by our preceptions..
Anyways...enough of my rammblingsThere G'nite.

 

[Laurel]

I'm in the Small-But-Perky club with Melody. I'm barely a B-cup, but they have a nice shape and areola-to-breast ratio so I'm happy enough with them. When I was younger, I wasn't, but my insecurity went far beyond my breasts, so once I got my shit together none of it mattered to me. I'm a slender person, so my chest fits me. No matter who you are or what you look like, there'll be men who will and won't be attracted to you. Manu likes my lil handfuls, & they don't get in my way when I workout, so that's all that matters.

I've had friends who've had their chests augmented to balance themselves out a little more and the result is nice. I've also seen many girls on late-night Cinemax who've ruined themselves with bad boob jobs - they try to go larger than they should, and they end up looking stretched and weird. Having the biggest tits doesn't mean you're the sexiest woman - girls like Wendy Whoppers are more Freak Show than bedroom fantasy.

It's like makeup or clothes or anything else you use to enhance yourself - it can be done well, and it can be done badly. So long as you're complementing your natural looks rather than going against them, you can't go wrong. But the minute you try to be something you're not (older women who wear inch-thick layers of makeup bring this to mind), you look bad. Women with bigger hips but smaller top halves may benefit from a breast enlargement. Women born with too full of cups may need to chop em down a bit for comfort's sake.

I don't have a problem with women getting boob jobs, in general. However, I do think that most women would be better off putting the time, energy, and money into improving themselves in a more lasting way, like taking dance lessons or classes at the community college in a subject that interests them. I know too many girls that put all their effort into their appearance because that's how they got by when they were 22 - looking pretty. But the same flirty vapidness that was "cute" at 22 isn't quite as "cute" at 40, or even 30. So unless your career depends on your looks - whether you're an actress, a model, a porn star, etc. - or unless you've got a serious physical flaw that attracts attention and makes you uncomfortable, I think cosmetic surgery is misplaced time and money. Physical beauty fades - you're not going to be 18 forever, and no matter how many facelifts you have at 40 you're still not 18. Guys won't be so impressed with your double-D's then, but those dance lessons you took may help you get their attention...

[This message has been edited by Laurel (edited 04-11-2000).]

 

[Gil]

I think Terry Thomas put it best,

"The American male's infatuation with large bosums, is positively infantile."

I sincerely wonder, how many of those overly endowed women are seriously interested in taking up soccer as a sport, when they get older?

 

[Laurel]

Duh, book-long post and I didn't answer your question...

I wonder if the fact that women can pay for larger breasts has had an adverse effect on
society. No, really!

Nah... I think corsets were worse. And women removing their lower ribs to fit into them better - that was bad. Our obsession with our looks is nothing new - it's just that TV and radio and billboards forces us to confront it in a way we've never seen it, to see how ugly narcissism really is.

Don't get me wrong I think people should try to look their best. Everyone enjoys being around more or less well-groomed people more than those who don't take care of themselves. But I don't think it should be the focus of our lives. People talk about all these anorexic teens caused by the modeling industry - I blame parents more than Cosmopolitan. If a parent instills self-worth in a girl at an aearly age and keeps reinforcing it - makes her feel she's pretty and worthwhile just as she is - then all the ads in the world won't change that. True self-confidence won't be damaged by a perfume ad any more than porn will turn us all into rapists and psychos. People need to stop blaming society for their inadequacies, their flaws, their confidence issues.

Damn. Still didn't answer the question.. Ah well....

 

[Xander]

Weird Harold got a point there. And I must admit, I'm not into the big fake breast thing. Small and perky is more to my liking.

Anyway, if a girl really feel the need to have their boobs done, a facelift or whatever it might be. That's fine. I got absolutely no problem with that.
BUT I seem to notice that a lot who has enhancing surgery done, sometimes tend to overdo it. And that is what makes me go WTF!!!.
A boob job, can be very nicely done, and look natural. One can't even feel the difference. But over doing is, in my humble opinion, totally unneccersary.

Extreme example: Here in my small corner of the world, a girl recently got national fame for her implants. Over a period of time, she went from an A-cup to.....get this, G-cup.
I shit you not. G-CUP. WTF.
And no, she's not a pornstar. She's an auto mechanic.

Whatever makes a girl go to extremes like that, is not for me to understand. But one thing I can tell you. As far as attraction goes, she definately lost it. And I ain't the only one thinking that.
One would need to have really REALLY long arms, to even hug her, with those planet size globes in the way.

But I guess there is someone out there, who is attracted to that kind of....I'm sorry to say....Freakshow.

 

[Deborah]

Right Madam, forget the operation, take dance lessons and buy a Miracle Bra. Boobs are definitely big business, made THE WALL STREET JOURNAL yesterday, front page.

I don't want you all to think I normally read THE WALL STREET JOURNAL but a friend was reading it at lunch yesterday at work and I took it when he was finished. Here are a few excerpts from the article "Mrs. Wachner's Effort To Build a Better Bra Has 'Secret' Motives."

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Last summer, Linda Wachner, one of the toughest bosses in the apparel business, issued a decree to her design troops at Warnaco Group Inc. Figure out how to make a better push-up bra.

This wasn't merely to be a labor of love; it was also something of an act of war. About $4.6 billion worth of bras are sold in the U.S. every year, a lot of them by Victoria's Secret, a unit of Intimate Brands Inc. Mrs. Wachner used to make bras - including the cash-cow Miracle Bra - for Victoria's Secret. Though sales to Victoria's Secret racked up about $90 million a year for Warnaco, she booted the business two years ago, upset that the lingerie concern had farmed out her designs to other manufacturers. Beyond that, Mrs. Wachner also firmly believes she can push the limits of the push-up bra.

"We were thinking, 'Wouldn't it be great if we had a push-up bra that didn't have all those pads and gel and all that gunk?'" says
Donald Allen, vice president of creative design at Warnaco's Warner division.

Seven months and dozens of modifications later, Warnaco is about to roll out Nothing But Curves - what it hopes will become its most dangerous weapon yet in the down and dirty lingerie business. It's a deep-V bra that manages to create a push-up silhouette without padding and is designed to let women undo one more button on their blouses.

And actress Julia Roberts is doing her part to boost public awareness of bra-mania in her new movie "Erin Brockovich," playing an activist who dresses in skimpy clothes, with her bra peeking if not spilling out. (In the film, Ms. Roberts wears a number of push-up bras specially engineered by costume designer Jeffrey Kurland.)

Mrs. Wachner says (regarding the new Nothing But Curves bra), "This is the first push-up bra that feels as good as it looks. No pads and no gimmicks; all gain and no pain."

She plans to play up those features in the advertising, which will quip: "Why torture yourself in their push-up bra when you could be torturing guys in ours?"

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Yep, more torture on the way for you guys, I'm just wondering, when they look like cantaloupe when she has the dress on but look like tangerines when you get the dress off, are you disappointed or so blinded by lust that you don't care?

 

[Kingsta]

I think i have to lean to the side of Laurel here, as i just happened to encounter a pair of breasts that were not the real deal. up to that time i had a facination about breasts with implants. After the night of passion i am definately a natural breast man once again. They were too hard, didnt move much and a also a little too big. But if females want to have a small job done just to even out their figures i can see why they would want to, and would support the decision. but just to have huge breasts for attention reasons i think is out of order. So lets all hear it for natuarals, later Kingsta

 

[Guest]

Fake titties are so nasty looking! (Especially when you can still see the scars.) I say stick with what God gave ya!!

 

[Golden]

is there a correlation between couples who think fake tita are a turn on and couples who think the bald guy should buy a head carpet? for me fake is out. Mrs G decided at the weeked to re-colour my beard to remove the grey flecks, and even THAT seems to me unnatural!

Thing I've always wondered ... with all the crap inside and scars on the outside, do the fake ones respond as well as bewfore the op to thumb, finger and tongue??

SOMEone on this list must have implants ... please tell!

 

[Guest]

Golden, I can't speak from experience hon (my 38C's are natural) but I've heard that sometimes the nipples lose their sensitivity. (Depending on how much reconstruction or cutting was done to the tit.)

 

[Sammyjo]

Implants look hideous...I'm sorry, but when I'm watching porn, the last thing I want to see is those fake, nasty looking tits...and let's not even get into the scars

 

[Softly]

My husband refers to implants as "Baseball Tits." He said that if I died :rolleyes that his next two choices for a wife would both be flat chested.One is 5'1", 110, and the other is 5'11", and 145. He has been an Airline pilot, Government pilot,Corporate Manager, and is now in a "man's" line of work which places him with extremly manly men. He said that he has never known a man to marry a woman because she did or did not have large breasts. He went on to say that in many cases the woman's breast is so sensitive that she does not want them touched during intercourse. The more intelligent the man, the more the personality of the woman becomes THE factor.

 

[Dahlia]

It isn't the size of implants that get to me as much as the shape. What is up with that? I admit, I have rather floppy DD's, and for a while I considered getting my breasts lifted so I would fit the media ideal of the perky huge tit. Luckily, two things set me straight- 1. I saw the great documentary "Breasts" which every woman should rush out and rent RIGHT NOW if you haven't seen it. There is this pretty young woman who complains about not being able to passs the "pencil" test (put a pencil under your breast, let go and prays it falls out) and how whe dislikes her lovely breasts. I realized we were all being brainwashed so that other people can make money (duh!).
2. I read about breast-lifting surgery and realized that I would probably loose sensation (like many women with augmentation) - what would the point be if I had my often dreamt of perky boobs and they were numb?

 

[Wordmage]

Showing my age, here, but what the hell?
There was a movie called "Looker" that was supposed to be a thriller. I suppose if you buy the post-Partridge Family Susan Dey as an "almost perfect" model, your willing suspension of disbelief is in overdrive, but anyway....
It scared me simply because of the idea that women would have surgery to become "perfect" according to some *else's* arbitrary standards. It's 20-25 years later now, and "Looker" has become, not a fiendish plot, but common practice.
I confess I've always been a small but perky fan, but c'mon! If you care about someone, it doesn't MATTER if she has big, small or no breasts. I know a woman who had a double mastectomy to save her life. She's doing fine, despite the "loving husband" who walked out because she "took away his tits."
Sorry. Didn't mean to start the thread drift from breasts to assholes....

 

[*Eve*]

The reason women get breast implants is because society tells them that they have to look a certain way in order for them to be beautiful. Do you think people would be taunting Calista Flackhart or Kate Moss about how thin they were if they both had DD breasts? I think not because if you've taken a look at Pamela Anderson she would be a waif without her breasts. It's really a shame that women feel the need to out and put something foriegn in their bodies in order to look pretty or feel good about themselves. Implants are not only dangerous because they can leak and cause all kinds of organ problems, you can lose all sensitivty in your breasts, you can't breast feed and your nipples are hard all the time. That is not natural. Those women that go out there and get the G cups and the Z cups are brainwashed. They believe the hype that bigger is better which is not necesarily true speaking as someone with a larger chest. It would be to go buy the cute little bras that they make for smaller chested women, and it would be nice not to have some pervert's eyes constantly straying to your chest in the work environment! Don't get me wrong, I am proud of what I have but my point is everyone should be proud of these NATURAL breasts whether they are an A or EE. Breasts are beautiful whatever the size and the guys who would leave their partners over the issuse of breasts are bigger boobs than the ones we're discussing.
Ok, that's my two cents.

Eve has left the building.

 

[John1965]

I hate Implants!!!!!! I live in Dallas and this is the capitol of implants!! Fake hair, fake tan, aerobicised asses and implants! I love natural no matter what size. One of my past girlfriends had implants and they felt creepy!

 

[Skibum]

It's not just implants. Most, if not all, cosmetic surgery (unless to fix a serious problem like a scar or cleft palette(sp?)) really turns me off. The same is true for the way people disfigure themselves with tatoos and body piercing. It all turns my way off. My wife has small, natural breasts, and unpierced ears, and she turns me on more than any pierced, inflated, bent, folded, or mutilated fashion icon.

I think onr reason for the craze to augment is simply marketing by the people that make money convincing women that they need to "change" something to be attractive to men. In my experience, we horn dog males don't require too many enhancements to get interested in the female of the species.

So, ladies, save yourself a lot of time and suffering. We will still love you even if you don't look like Pamela Anderson.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Personally I thank god for implants. Many of the women especially the older women in my family have had breasts removed due to cancer. The implants at least let them feel better about their looks afterward.

There seems to always be something just out of reach that we all strive for be it better hair, a great tan, big boobs, a younger look, or a buff body. Chalk most of it up to advertising and the need to sell you something. Why would you buy most of that stuff if you were happy with how you were now. First they sell you on the fact that you need to change then they sell you the product.

It is how affluent our society is that has had the adverse(?) effect. The fact that the average person can afford cosmetic surgery is the main reason for it's even being considered. If next week you have to decide between buying groceries or paying the electric bill, you quit worrying about breast size and worry about if the bra will last till next month. Been there, done that, no fun.

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by Fallen Angel:
Personally I thank god for implants. Many of the women especially the older women in my family have had breasts removed due to cancer. The implants at least let them feel better about their looks afterward.

Typically there is a difference between the regular implant and a reconstructed breast for cancer survivors...
I've had cancer survivors in my family, too, and they have received a reconstructed breast, NOT an implant.

 

[Whispersecret]

Originally posted by *Eve*:
Do you think people would be taunting Calista Flackhart or Kate Moss about how thin they were if they both had DD breasts? I think not because if you've taken a look at Pamela Anderson she would be a waif without her breasts.

Yes, I think they would. Calista Flockhart is TOO THIN. In fact, I was flipping through a People magazine with a friend of mine and we were pointing out all the too thin Beautiful People. The English chick on Frasier is too thin. There's a difference between slim beauty and skeletal extremes.

 

[*Eve*]

Yes she is pretty damn skinny WS but my point is that no one would notice that much if she was carrying a pair or double Ds, in front of her.

 

[Skibum]

Originally posted by *Eve*:
Yes she is pretty damn skinny WS but my point is that no one would notice that much if she was carrying a pair or double Ds, in front of her.

I doubt that she would be able to stand erect if you hung a pair of DD silicon bags on her. And they would certainly not be very sexy.