Impeachment Thread

[Dumpington]

phrodeau writes: "Glad to see you admit that Trump didn’t save the economy."

Our capitalist economic system is what's made America the greatest (and wealthiest) nation on the planet, phrodeau! We are free, powerful, & prosperous, thanks to our Judeo-Christian values & traditions along with our capitalist economic system!

Of course, the modern Democratic Party wants us to abandon all of that. Socialist Bernie Sanders, who actually HONEYMOONED in Soviet Russia (WHO DOES THAT?) wants the U.S. to adopt the kind of SOCIALIST economic system that Russia & China both dumped, and that's caused so much suffering in still-socialist nations like Cuba & Venezuela! Bernie REFUSES to comment on Venezuela (he's still hoping that the Maduro regime can turn it around!)

I don't know of ANY Bernie supporters who can explain why the man wanted to spend his honeymoon in Communist Russia! Does he not realize that it was an America-hating Marxist-Socialist dictatorship with a civilian body-count higher than that of even Nazi Germany? Do most Democrats not know this? SERIOUSLY?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Nice to see the #resist types on this thread have moved on from their failed dream of removing our President via the impeachment process. Enjoy the State of the Union Address tonight, and celebrate the acquittal and vindication tomorrow.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Glad to see you admit that Trump didn’t save the economy.

Nobody believes Trump saved the economy. W started things going after the Dems in Congress had tanked the economy. Obama continued what W had started, but he took longer than any economic recovery in history, except for the Great Depression in the Thirties. The economy continued to improve under Trump, until it reached a very high level.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Nice to see the #resist types on this thread have moved on from their failed dream of removing our President via the impeachment process. Enjoy the State of the Union Address tonight, and celebrate the acquittal and vindication tomorrow.

Do you think the Dems will try it again after The Donald is reelected?

 

[phrodeau]

Nobody believes Trump saved the economy. W started things going after the Dems in Congress had tanked the economy. Obama continued what W had started, but he took longer than any economic recovery in history, except for the Great Depression in the Thirties. The economy continued to improve under Trump, until it reached a very high level.

According to Trump, electing Hillary would have led to economic disaster, so you’re wrong.

 

[gunthernehmen]

According to Trump, electing Hillary would have led to economic disaster, so you’re wrong.

Flunked Analytical Logic 101, did you?

 

[gunthernehmen]

Do you think the Dems will try it again after The Donald is reelected?

They've caused a fundamental change in how this country works. Congress has gone and elected itself President. Every President here on out will know that every step they make will be monitored, examined and cross examined for any misstep, no matter how small and if none is found, but they don't LIKE you, they'll find it anyway and remove you. (or try to).

The GOP has caught on. They're slow, not stupid. There are already rumors about Biden's eventual impeachment. The actual basis to be determined.

 

[KeithD]

It was five minutes after he took office, but yes, it was Carter who brought them home. Despite what I'm sure you hear on AM radio every week or so, Reagan did not charm the Iranians into submission with that sugary grin of his. The timing was nothing but a final fuck-you to Carter.

The Iranians waited until a minute after Reagan was inaugurated to announce the release of the hostages. I was in a unit monitoring the Iranian radios for the event. And the Iranians obviously were monitoring the inauguration coverage closely.

 

[gunthernehmen]

The Iranians waited until a minute after Reagan was inaugurated to announce the release of the hostages. I was in a unit monitoring the Iranian radios for the event. And the Iranians obviously were monitoring the inauguration coverage closely.

Sure. We'll go with they were thumbing the nose at Carter ROFL

 

[KeithD]

Sure. We'll go with they were thumbing the nose at Carter ROFL

Yep, that's exactly what they were doing. So, it's fine if that's what you want to go with--if you find that arousing.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Yep, that's exactly what they were doing. So, it's fine if that's what you want to go with--if you find that arousing.

I guess we'll just never know for sure, then, will we, Ace?

Did you enjoy the SOTU address?

 

[YDB95]

Nobody believes Trump saved the economy. W started things going after the Dems in Congress had tanked the economy. Obama continued what W had started, but he took longer than any economic recovery in history, except for the Great Depression in the Thirties. The economy continued to improve under Trump, until it reached a very high level.

WOW.
That is some serious delusion right there. All you had to do was throw in something something Margaret Sanger Robert Byrd, and I'd have thought it was Dumpington talking.

 

[KeithD]

WOW.
That is some serious delusion right there. All you had to do was throw in something something Margaret Sanger Robert Byrd, and I'd have thought it was Dumpington talking.

Box isn't right in the head, you know.

 

[YDB95]

Box isn't right in the head, you know.

I've noticed. Every now and then, though, I still get surprised at the sheer lengths the right has gone to in rewriting history!

 

[KeithD]

I've noticed. Every now and then, though, I still get surprised at the sheer lengths the right has gone to in rewriting history!

Box is a bit more "out in space" than just to the right.

 

[icanhelp1]

Nobody believes Trump saved the economy. W started things going after the Dems in Congress had tanked the economy. Obama continued what W had started, but he took longer than any economic recovery in history, except for the Great Depression in the Thirties. The economy continued to improve under Trump, until it reached a very high level.

Phro is a trigger bomber. He takes everything and twist it into some other fucking useless comment. I don't waste any effort on his idiocies. It's funny, most understood my comment and my attempt to correct the record and Phro goes behind me and twist the original intent. He's irrelevant!

 

[icanhelp1]

WOW.
That is some serious delusion right there. All you had to do was throw in something something Margaret Sanger Robert Byrd, and I'd have thought it was Dumpington talking.

You are so good at convoluting a conversation, more deflection on your part. What the fuck does Robert Byrd and Margaret Sanger have to do with the 2008 economic recovery. You lefty loons love to twist and lead an argument down a path other than the original subject matter.

 

[Secretive_Victoria]

Senate Republicans have also endorsed Trump’s refusal to hand over relevant documents to a legitimate impeachment investigation. They simultaneously affirmed that presidents can block key witnesses without consequence. In the next scandal — and there will be another scandal — Trump will again try to block key evidence and witnesses, all with the blessing of his pals in the Republican caucus. The Senate has neutered itself. That shift in power isn’t temporary — it sets a new orthodoxy of what presidents can get away with.

If Trump commits a crime (as he allegedly has, repeatedly), he cannot be indicted under guidelines from the Justice Department. And if he yet again abuses his power with corrupt intent, it’s up to his lackeys in the Senate to hold him accountable with an impeachment trial — and they just spectacularly failed to do so despite him committing the most egregious abuse of power in recent American history.

Perhaps most striking was the moment in which one of Trump’s defense lawyers, Alan Dershowitz, argued that “if a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment.” That logic — that if the leader takes an action to win with corrupt intent but believes that his victory is ultimately good for the country, then it’s fine — is the logic of authoritarian despots. It is a logic that is poisonous to democracy. (Dershowitz has since tried to back away from his own words, but there’s no changing the fact he appears to have captured precisely the philosophy that currently informs thinking among Senate Republicans.)

All of this would be quite worrying indeed if the current president were someone who mimicked the behavior of autocrats. We would be right to panic if the man in the White House was someone who, for example, attacked the media with Stalinist rhetoric, scapegoated minority groups, called for the jailing of his political rivals, politicized the rule of law, hired cronies and family members for top jobs, called to ban an entire religion from entering the country, directly profited from his office, and had invited foreign adversaries to help him stay in power.

Okay, maybe it’s time to break the glass.

The day after special counsel Robert S. Mueller III testified before Congress, Trump felt exonerated. That’s when he made the now infamous phone call to Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky. The lesson is clear: When Trump feels that he has gotten away with something, he feels emboldened to test new limits. What will he test once he’s acquitted by the Senate? And if he tests those limits in ways that try to ensure his reelection bid — as he already has done with this latest abuse of power — will the 2020 election even be free and fair?

Democracy is fragile. It is built on a foundation of laws and norms that develop over decades. One of the most important norms in any democracy is the shared expectation that elected officials who abuse their official powers for personal or political gain must face severe consequences. Trump will face none. And American democracy, which has already withered under a president with severe authoritarian impulses, will continue to waste away.

America’s Founding Fathers anticipated the emergence of a corrupt demagogue. They simply didn’t anticipate that his rise would coincide with a complicit Congress that would gleefully establish a path to an authoritarian presidency.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ns-just-paved-road-american-authoritarianism/

 

[icanhelp1]

Sure. We'll go with they were thumbing the nose at Carter ROFL

You're correct! They waited until Reagan became CiC. Regan had a military strategy to take out oil platforms and any threat on the waterways. The threat of retaliation was real at the time and the RG was not equipped or prepared for a full onslaught of devastating military strikes. We had a wide array of targets both military and economic to hit. Iran was warned that if the hostages were harmed Tehran would be leveled and the Ayatollah was number one target sets. We had tons of intel from the israelis and spent many hours with Israeli spec ops ( IDF ) conducting AARs learning from the raid on Entebbe.

 

[gunthernehmen]

You are so good at convoluting a conversation, more deflection on your part. What the fuck does Robert Byrd and Margaret Sanger have to do with the 2008 economic recovery. You lefty loons love to twist and lead an argument down a path other than the original subject matter.

See Ydb? HE gets it and he's not even posting in the other thread.

 

[YDB95]

See Ydb? HE gets it and he's not even posting in the other thread.

Erm, no, he doesn't, not if he has to ask what Byrd and Sanger have to do with the GFC. (I mean, the answer is nothing, but that's missing the point entirely.)

 

[gunthernehmen]

Erm, no, he doesn't, not if he has to ask what Byrd and Sanger have to do with the GFC. (I mean, the answer is nothing, but that's missing the point entirely.)

Which has WHAT to do with UK leaving the EU?

 

[icanhelp1]

Erm, no, he doesn't, not if he has to ask what Byrd and Sanger have to do with the GFC. (I mean, the answer is nothing, but that's missing the point entirely.)

Not at all, I get it, you throw in a useless incoherent comment to deflect from your ignorance of the subject matter. You do it all the time! Nothing new!

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Do you think the Dems will try it again after The Donald is reelected?

Let’s hope so. Gallup released a new poll yesterday showing Trump’s approval rating is now the highest of his presidency. It’s even higher than Obama’s approval rating at this stage of his presidency. At the same time, the GOP approval ratings have risen as well, surpassing Dems by 6 points. The upward trend correlates with the start of the failed impeachment effort. No wonder Nancy Pelosi lost her temper last night!

 

[gunthernehmen]

Not guilty