Impeachment Thread

[Fuzzy1975]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy1975 View Post
The Majority of each body still speaks for "All the People".

Only if they share the same core political values......otherwise you wind up with a polarized situation like we have now where the government is basically non-functioning because 2 sides are not in agreement about core values.

Yes that can be a problem.

 

[JackLuis]

Two impeachment articles expected against President Trump: reports

Democrats are expected to announce on Tuesday two articles of impeachment against Donald Trump, US media reported Monday evening, after laying out their case at a hearing against a president they branded a “clear and present danger” to national security.

The articles will focus on abuse of power and obstruction of Congress, The Washington Post said, citing three official familiar with the matter.
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It added that the full House of Representatives would vote on the articles next week, ahead of a trial in the Senate.

Other reporting suggests that the House will vote on Impeachment on Thursday.

 

[magicalmoments]

It's just a lie to claim they have the same rights we do.

Acknowledged. I would suggest we have more extensive rights than most yanks do. Not the same, but greater.

 

[icanhelp1]

Acknowledged. I would suggest we have more extensive rights than most yanks do. Not the same, but greater.

Than most Yanks All Yanks have the same rights, that's why we call them rights and all citizens are equal under the law. Please spare me your philosophical TDS laiden diatribe You may have more extensive privileges and call them rights, or you may call what you have in some cases 'extensive rights' for what we describe as social programs which we do not equally distribute and certainly don't classified as rights.

Your entitlements may be defined under your constitution or legal system as rights and you may have more, ( perhaps your education and HC systems are free= rights ) if your OK with that then so am I. No one that I know of is saying NZ is inferior, just different, what's important is, your citizens are provided for by your government and your government is representative of your people. We are what we are.

 

[magicalmoments]

Yes, most yanks. To claim all yanks have the same rights is a lie.
Criminal prisoners in the states do not have the same rights.
There are many, who theoretically have the same rights are denied them by those who practice discrimination. In effect they do not have the same rights.

So spare me your hypocrisy and take your pompous PDS laden self righteous diatribe elsewhere.

 

[icanhelp1]

Yes, most yanks. To claim all yanks have the same rights is a lie.
Criminal prisoners in the states do not have the same rights.
There are many, who theoretically have the same rights are denied them by those who practice discrimination. In effect they do not have the same rights.

So spare me your hypocrisy and take your pompous PDS laden self righteous diatribe elsewhere.

I wasn't being hypocritical, self righteous or pompous as much as you just being a hyperbolic, hypothetical, antithetical, philosophical, contrarian dipshit.

They all started with the same rights under the law. If you commit a crime against the people and are incarcerated, yes you can "TEMPORARILY" forfeit your rights till you pay the MAN!! Then your rights will be restored.

If you impinge on somebody's rights, the MAN is going to impinge on yours.

Discrimination is against the law, again, you pay the MAN!!

If someone kills you, you lose your rights, if you kill someone the Man is going to have something to say about your rights.

Well, I guess if it's that important for you to win an argument at all cost, then, yes, { most! not all }. You should get a room with FUZZY-BEAR AND TALK EACH OTHER TO DEATH!!!! I don't suffer from PDS, now go back to your meds.

 

[icanhelp1]

Acknowledged. I would suggest we have more extensive rights than most yanks do. Not the same, but greater.

So you have levels of rights. So what's that like? You have some good rights sprinkled in with great rights, have a few of the greatest right, maybe even some bad rights. The extensive rights must be something really special!!! I don't think us Yanks have more extensive rights, but if we did, that would be more great!!

 

[magicalmoments]

#609 above
Apology accepted.

Man, you're pure PDS in motion!

 

[Cubantripod]

Yes, he does, because his master, Putin, wants the Ukraine back in a Russian empire. As Pelozi declared as she pointed at Trump over the conference table a few days ago, with Trump action, "all roads lead back to Russia."

It's comical how the left has turned the clock back to the 1980s and become the very chicken hawks that they always accused Republicans of being all in the name of hating Trump.

 

[Schlank]

“The president’s scheme is actually quite simple. And the facts are not seriously in dispute,” Daniel Goldman said. He summarized it in the form of “four key takeaways”:


First, that President Trump directed a scheme to pressure Ukraine into opening two investigations that would benefit his 2020 reelection campaign, and not US national interests.

Second, President Trump used his official office and the official tools of US foreign policy, the withholding of an Oval Office meeting, and $391 million in security assistance, to pressure Ukraine into meeting his demands.

Third, everyone was in the loop. His chief of staff, the secretary of state, and vice president.

And fourth, despite the public discovery of this scheme which prompted the president to release the aid, he has not given up. He and his agents continue to solicit Ukrainian interference in our election, causing an imminent threat to our elections and our national security.

 

[phrodeau]

It's comical how the left has turned the clock back to the 1980s and become the very chicken hawks that they always accused Republicans of being all in the name of hating Trump.

Are we supposed to thank Russia for their meddling in our campaigns, since their preferred candidate won?

 

[icanhelp1]

“The president’s scheme is actually quite simple. And the facts are not seriously in dispute,” Daniel Goldman said. He summarized it in the form of “four key takeaways”:


First, that President Trump directed a scheme to pressure Ukraine into opening two investigations that would benefit his 2020 reelection campaign, and not US national interests.

All depends what the definition of "us " is? Zelensky said no pressure on several public announcements. No one has proved intent to benefit 2020 elections. Trump never mentions himself in his conversation with Zelensky. So to conclude "US" as to meaning him, is factually incorrect./COLOR]

Second, President Trump used his official office and the official tools of US foreign policy, the withholding of an Oval Office meeting, and $391 million in security assistance, to pressure Ukraine into meeting his demands.

To put certain criteria on a known corrupt government and to feel out the intent of new leadership towards fighting corruption only makes sense for everyone else not named Trump

Third, everyone was in the loop. His chief of staff, the secretary of state, and vice president.

A president always keeps his CoS, SoS and VP in the loop when dealing with major foreign policy issues. What's wrong with that?

And fourth, despite the public discovery of this scheme which prompted the president to release the aid, he has not given up. He and his agents continue to solicit Ukrainian interference in our election, causing an imminent threat to our elections and our national security.

Pure conjecture and opinion. What prompted the release was assurances from Zelensky on corruption and the fiscal deadline to release the aid. The lefty loon media has gotten into your head. Imminent national security? Do you really believe that national security is more at risk now then when the Russians were rolling through Crimea during the Obama admin. More TDS!!: What agents are soliciting Ukranian influence in the 2020 elections and what would that influence look like? Bidens? What if the bidens were peddling influence? Joe publicly claimed Quid Pro Quo holding back a billion dollars if the Ukrainians didn't fire Prosecutor General Shokin.

 

[KeithD]

Are we supposed to thank Russia for their meddling in our campaigns, since their preferred candidate won?

Isn't that what Trump was doing in the Oval Office yesterday afternoon with the Russian foreign minister while the House Judiciary Committee was ginning up his impeachment?

 

[KeithD]

“The president’s scheme is actually quite simple. And the facts are not seriously in dispute,” Daniel Goldman said. He summarized it in the form of “four key takeaways”:


First, that President Trump directed a scheme to pressure Ukraine into opening two investigations that would benefit his 2020 reelection campaign, and not US national interests.

Second, President Trump used his official office and the official tools of US foreign policy, the withholding of an Oval Office meeting, and $391 million in security assistance, to pressure Ukraine into meeting his demands.

Third, everyone was in the loop. His chief of staff, the secretary of state, and vice president.

And fourth, despite the public discovery of this scheme which prompted the president to release the aid, he has not given up. He and his agents continue to solicit Ukrainian interference in our election, causing an imminent threat to our elections and our national security.

And, fifth, the overriding reason for what Trump is doing is that he's a blackmailed asset of the Russian government and everything Trump has done in regard to Ukraine fulfills the interests of Russia (and is counter to every policy center in the United States other than Trump himself).

 

[icanhelp1]

^^^^^^ More TDS on steroids. Comments are factually baseless as usual and delegitimizes any possible consideration for a coherent and meaningful discussion.

 

[domroger]

^^^^^^ Comments are factually baseless as usual and delegitimizes any possible consideration for a coherent and meaningful discussion.

Story of your life .

 

[Leather_Lesbian]

Former Bush White House Ethics Lawyer Richard Painter joined MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber on Monday to discuss House Democrats’ marathon impeachment hearings.

Painter argued the hearings made a case for impeaching Trump for "extortion and bribery," for "obstruction of justice in the Russia investigation," and for the "unconstitutional emoluments, foreign benefits, and foreign government payments that the Trump family has been receiving."

 

[magicalmoments]

Wow!!!
Thanos, the inevitable, the chosen one, he of great and unmatchable wisdom, the stable genius has reclaimed the infinity stones and stashed them safely in melanoma's purse, while he successfully pursues the complete genocide of the Democratic Party!
Nothing in the constitution banning genocide!

And... How appropriate that he took the persona of the most evil villain on the history of the world.

 

[Dumpington]

magicalmoments writes: "Thanos, the inevitable, the chosen one, he of great and unmatchable wisdom, the stable genius has reclaimed the infinity stones and stashed them safely in melanoma's purse, while he successfully pursues the complete genocide of the Democratic Party!"

While it may APPEAR to be the "complete genocide of the Democratic Party," it's actually more of a self-inflicted wound, brought about by Nancy Pelosi's losing control of her House of Representatives to "the Squad" and to Adam Schiff.

The American people aren't buying into this whole impeachment clown show, and once the U.S. Senate takes over, it will be as if the adults have returned to take over, and President Trump will easily be vindicated, as per the dictates of our U.S. Constitution. The Democrats, of course, will howl & curse just like they did back in November of 2016, but all for naught.

Nobody running for the Democratic Party's 2020 presidential nomination is bringing up the ECONOMY, which is the single biggest issue that will decide who wins the White House next year. That's because President Trump OWNS that issue! It's also why he's being impeached. The Dems will do anything to try and weaken him next year, even this current fool's errand of theirs that's not going anywhere in the end!

 

[JackLuis]

America shocked Louie Gohmert outed suspected whistleblower during hearing

Not shocked, it is Gohmert after all.

 

[SecretSapphic]

And, fifth, the overriding reason for what Trump is doing is that he's a blackmailed asset of the Russian government and everything Trump has done in regard to Ukraine fulfills the interests of Russia (and is counter to every policy center in the United States other than Trump himself).

I'm starting to think that the Republicans in Congress are Russian assets as well.

Republicans in Congress are discussing the possibility of refusing to conduct a real trial, refusing to allow witnesses to testify, refusing to look at any of the evidence and just voting to acquit on all charges.

It would be grossly irresponsible and cowardly of the Senate Republicans to do this. It would basically be a tacit admission that they believe Trump is guilty if they're too cowardly to fulfill their constitutional obligations and listen to testimony and consider evidence before a vote, but the Senate Republicans are currently leaning in that direction.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-could-be-more-conclusive-proof-trumps-guilt/

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Former Bush White House Ethics Lawyer Richard Painter joined MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber on Monday to discuss House Democrats’ marathon impeachment hearings.

Painter argued the hearings made a case for impeaching Trump for "extortion and bribery," for "obstruction of justice in the Russia investigation," and for the "unconstitutional emoluments, foreign benefits, and foreign government payments that the Trump family has been receiving."

Yet none of those charges are included in the articles of impeachment. Only a month ago, Democrats were certain they had the goods. Sorry for your loss.

 

[KeithD]

Yet none of those charges are included in the articles of impeachment. Only a month ago, Democrats were certain they had the goods. Sorry for your loss.

Just because they didn't go there with these articles doesn't mean others don't exist and can't be used as well. Don't be stupid about this or think that you're fooling anyone.

And this is not a double jeopardy situation. If the Republicans can't hold the Senate as well as the House in 2020, he's toast even if he wins again. And each Republican who supports what has clearly been shown to be removable offenses has to face campaign ads and constituents next fall. (Not all Republicans, of course, but last election was when a preponderance of Democratic senator's seats were on the line; this time it's Republicans.) They can even bring him up on the exact same articles again.

The bottom line, of course, is that he's guilty of this and so much more--so much that short-sighted Republicans know that if they allow him to get away with this, they face the risk of having a Democratic president abusing power the same way in the future. He's guilty of removal actions. You know it; I know it.

He's not even a Republican and he certainly doesn't follow traditional Republican values. The congressional Republicans are being dummies not to just do a deal of dumping him if Democrats won't go after Pence for the next year (if he agrees not to run in his own right), which would permit the Republicans to get back on an even keel by the November election. The electorate's memory is short. The Republicans would be fine if they cut out most of the rot now and returned to being real Republicans by the summer.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Just because they didn't go there with these articles doesn't mean others don't exist and can't be used as well. Don't be stupid about this or think that you're fooling anyone.

And this is not a double jeopardy situation. If the Republicans can't hold the Senate as well as the House in 2020, he's toast even if he wins again. And each Republican who supports what has clearly been shown to be removable offenses has to face campaign ads and constituents next fall. (Not all Republicans, of course, but last election was when a preponderance of Democratic senator's seats were on the line; this time it's Republicans.) They can even bring him up on the exact same articles again.

The bottom line, of course, is that he's guilty of this and so much more--so much that short-sighted Republicans know that if they allow him to get away with this, they face the risk of having a Democratic president abusing power the same way in the future. He's guilty of removal actions. You know it; I know it.

He's not even a Republican and he certainly doesn't follow traditional Republican values. The congressional Republicans are being dummies not to just do a deal of dumping him if Democrats won't go after Pence for the next year (if he agrees not to run in his own right), which would permit the Republicans to get back on an even keel by the November election. The electorate's memory is short. The Republicans would be fine if they cut out most of the rot now and returned to being real Republicans by the summer.

Ah, the old “we’ll get you next year.” The Senate election map does not look good for Dems. They need to net 3 seats and win the presidency to get the tie breaker. Doug Jones is a dead man walking.

 

[KeithD]

Ah, the old “we’ll get you next year.” The Senate election map does not look good for Dems. They need to net 3 seats and win the presidency to get the tie breaker. Doug Jones is a dead man walking.

We'll see, won't we? In the meantime, you'll live on wishful thinking. I'll just watch what happens. Doesn't mean I won't say what I think is sensible to happen.

One thing I can say from a bit of experience, if the "Deep State" was what Trump claims it is and against him, as he claims it is, Trump would be dead now. And that's the truth.