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You believe the US doesn't know this? Define "US," if you please.
 
Yes, the problem with political discourse today is that there aren't enough generalized platitudes. I mean, essentially, all the Constitution is saying is "Be cool, guys. Amendment: And women, we guess." Even the indigenous populations had to cross the land bridge at some point!

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The Crazy Pony is right!

Did you know that there were no horses in America prior to the Europeans dropping them off but they've since spread across the country like an invasion of brown (ponies)!
 
I think his grandpa walked.

And yes, my ancestry is European from the immigrant wave of the late 1800s. But "whitesplanation"? Really?

The point is that we are a nation of immigrants and ignorant barriers to naturalization need to be reconsidered.
 
Yes we are a nation of immigrants. Almost everyone here is a mutt.

Even the 'native americans' came from somewhere else crossing the Bering Strait from Asia.
 
Dream59 said:
That does not mean that the boarders should not be protected and numbers should not be controlled.
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Agreed. But to what purpose?

Surely not to keep people out, but rather to identify them and catalog them and process them in. Be an aware enough society that we can put them on the right track.

Immigration is invigorating economically and socially and the public policy move to stifle it is hurting everyone.
 
BoyNextDoor said:
Agreed. But to what purpose?

Surely not to keep people out, but rather to identify them and catalog them and process them in. Be an aware enough society that we can put them on the right track.

Immigration is invigorating economically and socially and the public policy move to stifle it is hurting everyone.
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Controlled immigration is all of that. But uncontrolled immigration just fills the space up with too many people that can not produce.
 
Phelia said:
You're damn right I'm right.

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Did YOU know that there is a teensy wee island off the coast of nova scotia that's home to 400 feral horses and it's called Sable Island and I love it?
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I didn't know you were a princess! :eek:

And I know now!

BoyNextDoor said:
My ancestors floated over here on a boat and got amnesty. So did yours.
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My ancestors were imported. They got no more amnesty than say a shovel. By the time they were made into citizens they were definitely not being forgiven for anything, least of all sneaking into the country.

Sunshine said:
SO did mine but I think there needs to be a limit to the number of people coming in.
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We can set limits, though it seems to serve relatively little purpose all things considered.
 
Sean Renaud said:
My ancestors were imported. They got no more amnesty than say a shovel. By the time they were made into citizens they were definitely not being forgiven for anything, least of all sneaking into the country.
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Different paradigm.
 
BoyNextDoor said:
I think his grandpa walked.

And yes, my ancestry is European from the immigrant wave of the late 1800s. But "whitesplanation"? Really?

The point is that we are a nation of immigrants and ignorant barriers to naturalization need to be reconsidered.
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Yep, "really." If your point is that you want it to be easier for people to come to the US, super. Say that. This: "My ancestors floated over here on a boat and got amnesty. So did yours." Is some bullshit. First, 13% of the current American population was born outside of the US (which is around what it was in 1860, for what it's worth). Another 2% are American Indians or Alaska Natives, so already your statement is excluding about 15% of the country. I also think it's a little bit of a stretch to lump being forcibly transported against your will as human property and finally being granted the right to count as an actual person as "floating over here on a boat" and getting amnesty, but what do I know. You were trying to fit everyone inside of your box, and yes, it's white.

More than that, though, I'm responding to how arrogant you're being considering how sophomoric and ridiculous your point is. If you're suggesting open borders, you should probably steer away from the meaningless proclamations and lean on a few of the economists who claim it could have a dramatic and positive effect on global wages on a macro scale. That could be worth talking about.

I'd still disagree with you, though, because it would be absurd to make such a radical policy shift with no idea of how this would influence the wages of America's lower middle class and working poor, not to mention the possibility of a brain drain in developing countries.

"Really."
 
Phelia said:
Yep, "really." If your point is that you want it to be easier for people to come to the US, super. Say that. This: "My ancestors floated over here on a boat and got amnesty. So did yours." Is some bullshit.
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There is nothing bullshit about it. That was how my family happened to get here. Do you know what a metaphor is? How you and yours got here makes no difference. You got here from somewhere else. Just like everybody else.

We all emigrated from somewhere and immigrated here. Get off your fucking high horse and listen up.
 
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