I'm taking bets, folks. Who's going to win in Iraq?

Civil War is inevitable in Iraq. Who's going to win?

  • The Shias

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • The Sunnis

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Halliburton

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • The Republicans will put their heads back in the sand and deny it all away

    Votes: 6 46.2%

  • Total voters
    13

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A civil war in Iraq at this point is inevitable.

So who will win?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060228...593mhsUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

Civil War Looms With 68 Killed in Baghdad

By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 47 minutes ago

Sunnis and Shiites traded bombings and mortar fire against mainly religious targets in Baghdad well into the night Tuesday, killing at least 68 people a day after authorities lifted a curfew that had briefly calmed a series of sectarian reprisal attacks.

At least six of Tuesday's attacks hit clearly religious targets, concluding with a car bombing after sundown at the Shiite Abdel Hadi Chalabi mosque in the Hurriyah neighborhood that killed 23 and wounded 55. A separate suicide bombing killed 23 people at an east Baghdad gas station, where people had lined up to buy kerosine.

In addition to those known to have been killed Tuesday, police found nine more bullet-riddled bodies, including a Sunni Muslim tribal sheik, off a road southeast of Baghdad. It was unclear when they died.

The surge of violence deepened the trauma of residents already shaken by fears the country was teetering on the brink of sectarian civil war, threatened talks among Iraqi politicians struggling to form a government and raised questions about U.S. plans to begin drawing down troop strength this summer.

Iraq began to tilt seriously toward outright civil war after the Feb. 22 bombing of the important Shiite Askariya shrine in the mainly Sunni city of Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad.

President Bush decried the latest surge in sectarian violence Tuesday and said that for Iraqis "the choice is chaos or unity."

In congressional testimony, National Intelligence Director John Negroponte said a civil war in Iraq could lead to a broader conflict in the Middle East, pitting the region's Sunni and Shiite powers against one another.

Defense Intelligence Agency chief Lt. Gen. Michael Maples said the sectarian violence stems from a core of Sunni Arab insurgents who can exploit "social, economic, historical and religious grievances."

"Networks based on these relationships remain the greatest threat to long-term stability in Iraq," Maples said.

The sectarian violence has hit Baghdad hardest because the population in the capital is about evenly divided between Shiites and Sunnis, more so than in any other region of the country.

At about the same time as the attack on the Shiite Abdel Hadi Chalabi mosque, a mortar round landed near the Shiite Imam Kadhim shrine in the Kazimiyah neighborhood on the opposite side of the Tigris River, killing one and wounding 10.

Those attacks appeared to have been in retaliation for assaults on Sunni places of worship earlier in the day.

North of Baghdad, a blast badly damaged a Sunni mosque where the father of Saddam Hussein was buried in the family's ancestral hometown, Tikrit. The Iraqi Islamic Party reported a bomb hit the Sunni Thou Nitaqain mosque in the Hurriyah neighborhood at 8 a.m. Tuesday, killing three and wounding 11. Gunmen in two speeding cars opened fire on the Sunni al-Salam mosque in the western Baghdad's Mansour district, killing a guard.

Late Tuesday police reported finding the body of Shiite cleric Hani Hadi handcuffed, blindfolded and shot in the head near a Sunni mosque in Baghdad's notorious Dora neighborhood.

One of the day's bloodiest attacks came when a suicide bomber detonated an explosives vest packed with ball bearings among people lined up to buy kerosine at a crowded filling station in east Baghdad. The blast killed 23 people and wounded 51, leaving behind the charred and twisted remains of wheeled carts that customers had used to transport fuel canisters to the station.

A car bombing in the same neighborhood targeted a police patrol and killed five people and wounded 17 — all civilians.

Another car bomb hit a small market opposite the Shiite Timimi mosque in the mostly Shiite Karradah neighborhood, killing six people and wounding 16.

Separately and in an unusual move, the government issued a statement declaring that 379 people had been killed and 458 wounded as of 4 p.m. Tuesday in the sectarian violence tied to the Askariya bombing.

The Washington Post reported Tuesday that more than 1,300 people were killed in the reprisal attacks. The Cabinet statement, however, said "what was reported in a foreign newspaper were inaccurate and exaggerated numbers of victims."

More than 60 relatives of the dead — many of them women dressed in black and beating their breasts as they wailed in grief — assembled with empty coffins at the morgue to take away their dead family members. One young man, who refused to give his name, told an AP reporter that his three brothers had gone out to buy bread Saturday night and were gunned down in a drive-by attack.

National Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie, meanwhile, traveled to the Shiite holy city of Najaf on Tuesday to meet with Grand Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani, the Shiite community's most revered spiritual leader. Al-Rubaie emerged to tell reporters "the way to forming the government is difficult and planted with political bombs. We ask the Iraqi people to be patient, and we expect forming the government will take a few months."

In the south Tuesday, two British soldiers were killed in Amarah, 180 miles from Baghdad, the Defense Ministry reported in London, but gave no other details. A witness said a car bomb targeted a British patrol and helicopters were seen taking away casualties.

The U.S. military reported a U.S. soldier was killed by small-arms fire west of Baghdad on Monday. No details were provided. The death brought to at least 2,292 the number of members of the U.S. military who have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an AP count. The figure includes seven military civilians.

In other violence Tuesday, a roadside bomb targeting the convoy of a defense ministry adviser killed five soldiers and injured seven others in the east Baghdad. The adviser, Lt. Gen. Daham Radhi al-Assal, escaped unharmed.

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Associated Press Writer Sinan Salaheddin and Alexandra Zavis contributed to this report from Baghdad
 
I think nobody cares.

If you talk about holocaust denial, then I think a lot of people would get uneasy. No western newspapers would print the cartoons.

This is a double standard world, friend.
 
Holy Devil said:
I think nobody cares.

If you talk about holocaust denial, then I think a lot of people would get uneasy. No western newspapers would print the cartoons.

This is a double standard world, friend.
I would think the American taxpayer cares...
 
I'd say that if we don't go back in there and establish order, whatever the cost then we've totally failed the obligation we took on ourselves by invading in the first place.

They had to have known that this was a possibility.
 
rosco rathbone said:
I'd say that if we don't go back in there and establish order, whatever the cost then we've totally failed the obligation we took on ourselves by invading in the first place.

They had to have known that this was a possibility.
We'd have to turn them into the 51st state for that to work out.
 
Its civil war now even though the Iraqi government denies this. In the confusion, two Brit soldiers were killed yesterday. I feel sorry for these guys. The Arab Union should take care of their own people just like what the African Union are trying to do.
 
passionkat said:
What is this a tennis match?

Fucking retard
LOL, this sounds like a graduate of Vetteman's school of geopolitics. Do you even know where Iraq is, much less what's going on?
 
LovingTongue said:
LOL, this sounds like a graduate of Vetteman's school of geopolitics. Do you even know where Iraq is, much less what's going on?


ooh, over-anxious took the bait....

Can't wait to spew BS to someone whose only put you in your place once.

You tire me out.....annoying, annoying, annoying
 
passionkat said:
ooh, over-anxious took the bait....

Can't wait to spew BS to someone whose only put you in your place once.

You tire me out.....annoying, annoying, annoying
LOL, yet another troll gets pimp slapped and then tries to play the "I meant to do that" card while being carried out of my presence in a stretcher.

Next!
 
How are you so sure that I'm not there right now? How are you so cocky as to think that I didn't just return from there.

America is my country and I will not allow you to pollute it with your anti-patriotic banter.

Why don't you go serve?
 
Either way, it won't be us (America).

I'm American and I love living here, but I'm also completely embarrassed by the activities of our president and our country. Always sad to see the fall of an "empire" ... and I'm afraid that's where we are headed. Fast.
 
passionkat said:
How are you so sure that I'm not there right now? How are you so cocky as to think that I didn't just return from there.
ROTFLMAO, you're posting from Iraq? Nice bullshit tactic. I sure hope your ass doesn't get kidnapped.

America is my country and I will not allow you to pollute it with your anti-patriotic banter.

Hahahahahahh!!

You're going to allow me to say whatever I want to. It's called the First Amendment. You don't have a choice, you fascist pig. This is my country, too. What are you going to do about me? Flame me? Oh I'm so scared.

I hope a real soldier comes home and kills your sorry ass instead of some other innocent American.

Why don't you go serve?
Why don't you? I don't have to serve. I hate that war. I'd rather our troops come home. I don't have to serve in something I oppose, no matter what your GI Joe action figure collection says to the contrary.

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You can now resume crowing about how I tire you out hahahaha!
 
rosco rathbone said:
I'd say that if we don't go back in there and establish order, whatever the cost then we've totally failed the obligation we took on ourselves by invading in the first place.

They had to have known that this was a possibility.

Wake up Roscoe, the President meant it when he said Mission Accomplished so long ago. He could care less what happened in Iraq from now on, which includes the sad grunts they keep sending there for show.

He got rid of Saddam for Israel and he saved the US petrodollar from Saddams tinkering with Euro sales. Say, didn't you notice that the downturn in the US economy actually improved after the CPA took control of Iraqs economy and oil dealings. Saddams little oil ploy through the Oil for Food program was killing the US so it had to stop. Pity Bush wasn't man enough to to call the economic war for what it was.

Mind you , he is showing the same deceptive streak with all the hoopla about Iran's thought crimes in considering nuclear weapons he claims they want.
Lets see how the Iran oil bourse deal goes off next month, thats when the Israelis have said they will bomb Iran if Iran cant prove the negative, which is to somehow satisfy nitpickers that nuclear weapons is not their immediate ambition.

Back to Iraq, the US just wont put the resources into Iraq to take control so when the Iranians strike back through the Shia insurgency in Iraq, you wouldn't want to be an American military representative of GWB there.

BTW, have you noticed that the Persians and the Arabs have endured for millenia through numerous invasions and they have prevailed unchanged.
Once the oil wells are dry, they will be left to their own devices again.
 
I hope the good guys win and Iraq's economy starts to go up in the near future.
 
Pepsi Man said:
I hope the good guys win and Iraq's economy starts to go up in the near future.


Iraqis will win in the long run and like all invaders before them, a disspirited and beaten USA will drag its sorry ass homelike they did from Vietnam but by then, there will be other wars the US will be involved in to keep the warmongering industry making profits off the American citizen for no need or benefit.
 
woody54 said:
Iraqis will win in the long run and like all invaders before them, a disspirited and beaten USA will drag its sorry ass homelike they did from Vietnam but by then, there will be other wars the US will be involved in to keep the warmongering industry making profits off the American citizen for no need or benefit.
Well gosh. That's certainly a highly cynical viewpoint.
 
Pepsi Man said:
Man, you love being anti army. It's all good, though.
Would you please define for me what 'anti army' means?

If it means opposing the tactic of taking someone's wife hostage to force a confession, or bombing someone's wedding and killing innocent people, or refusing to prosecute someone for beating a prisoner of war to death, then please just come out and say that.

Ambiguity and vague statements are unbecoming a man.
 
LovingTongue said:
Would you please define for me what 'anti army' means?

If it means opposing the tactic of taking someone's wife hostage to force a confession, or bombing someone's wedding and killing innocent people, or refusing to prosecute someone for beating a prisoner of war to death, then please just come out and say that.

Ambiguity and vague statements are unbecoming a man.
As is taking a few incidents and claiming that the sum of those few parts equals the whole, or for that matter, implying it.
 
Pepsi Man said:
As is taking a few incidents and claiming that the sum of those few parts equals the whole, or for that matter, implying it.
How about the fact that our commander *cough* in chief has refused to take action on those knuckle dragging brutes for kidnapping wives or murdering prisoners of war?

Our military leadership is ultimately responsible for the wrongful actions of our troops. Especially when our leadership knows about these actions and refuses to take action to punish it.

What the hell country is this that we've turned into where you can't hold a Government responsible for refusing to prosecute war criminals?
 
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