I'm sorry to all concerned and especially to...

[p_p_man]

Jessica Lynch, but when I read this...

"She was fighting to the death,” the official said. “She did not want to be taken alive.”

I burst out laughing...

Whether true or not doesn't matter. But when even the attempts of the US authorities to find a hero (or heroine) in this fabricated war, come out as lines from a Hollywood movie...

I know Bush is still in charge...

ppman

 

[LadyG]

Be nice.

 

[p_p_man]

Be nice.

That was nice...

But a better choice of words was definitely in order...



ppman

 

[k¡tty]

They don't need to spin her as a heroine, considering many already see her as such.




How's the weather over there today, pp?

Oo I'm meeting one of your countrymen in 2 days!!

 

[breakwall]

You will probably take heat for that pp, but I agree with the sentiment.


Bravely slaying sacred cows. Keep on keeping on.

 

[Alvin Brickrock]

(CBS) The 19-year-old Army supply clerk rescued in Iraq shot several Iraqi soldiers during the March 23 ambush that resulted in her capture, newspaper reported Thursday. She kept firing even after she had several gunshot wounds, finally running out of ammunition, the newspaper said, citing unidentified U.S. officials.

Spirited but hungry, Pfc. Jessica Lynch arrived in Germany for treatment of two broken legs and bullet wounds reportedly suffered in a fierce gun battle she waged against her Iraqi captors.

"She was fighting to the death," the Washington Post quoted an official as saying. "She did not want to be taken alive."

"Talk about spunk!" said Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., who was briefed by military officials on the rescue.

"She's a fighter. She doesn't give up," her mother Deadra told CBS News.

Pentagon officials declined comment on the report.

Lynch's daring nighttime rescue used virtually every asset the U.S. had, reports CBS News Correspondent Lee Cowan, from a battalion of Marines who drew fire as a decoy to U.S. Special Forces, who ran through a hail of gunfire for a stranger — not once, but twice.

"There were fire fights outside of the building, getting in and getting out," said Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks at Central Command in Doha.

The former POW left Iraq on a stretcher with an American flag folded across her chest, and arrived at a U.S. air base in Germany late Wednesday for treatment at the U.S. military's Landstuhl Regional Medical Center. She was the only patient aboard the 10-hour flight, reports CBS News Correspondent Stephan Kaufman at Landstuhl.

From Germany, she spoke with her family at their home in Palestine, W.Va., in a 15-minute telephone call.

"She was weak yesterday, but sounded really spirited," her mother told CBS News Early Show co-anchor Hannah Storm. "And then again this morning, she sounds really good.

"As of this morning, we found out that she had a fractured disc, two fractured legs, a broken arm and that's just about all we know at this point," Deadra Lynch said.

According to the Post account, she was also stabbed when Iraqi forces closed in on her.

"She's weak, she knows she's injured and they're doing the best that they can to get her so she can travel," said her brother Greg Lynch Jr. Her father said she will be transferred to Walter Reed Hospital in Washington as soon as possible.

However, it may be some time before she is reunited with her family, since soldiers taken prisoner often need time to "decompress" and meet with medical and psychological experts.

The U.S. forces who rescued her also found 11 corpses — some believed to be Americans — in and around Saddam Hospital, and the military was trying to determine whether any of them were captured members of her unit.

Lynch and as many as 12 other members of the 507th Maintenance Company were captured after making a wrong turn in Nasariyah. She watched several soldiers in her unit die in the ambush, the Post reported.

Not long after the fighting, five of Lynch's fellow soldiers showed up in Iraqi television footage being asked questions by their captors. The video also showed bodies, apparently of U.S. soldiers, leading the Pentagon to accuse Iraq of executing some POWs.

Lynch joined the Army after graduating from high school in 2001. Her brother Greg enlisted the same day. Her 18-year-old sister Brandi will report for duty in August.

"I still want to do it even more. It's the Lynch blood," Brandi Lynch said.

To help Lynch reach her goal of becoming a kindergarten teacher, West Virginia and Marshall universities and Liberty College in Lynchburg, Va., offered her competing packages Wednesday.

And West Virginia Gov. Bob Wise said the state would finance Lynch's education at a state public college or university of her choosing.

"She wants to become a teacher, and we are going to see that she becomes one," he said after visiting the Lynch family at home.


©MMIII CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

 

[p_p_man]

So Alvin Brickrock...

by reporting the whole story, which incidentally we probably have all read by now, you seem to have got lost between the realms of spin and the realm of reality...

It's not so much whether it's true or not that counts, and she sounds like a plucky young girl anyway, but it's the way the American leadership puts it across...

Do Americans have to be force fed a certain gung-ho way of doing things for them to filled with the fire of patriotism?

A more realistic story that came out of this incident is that Jessica cried a lot, asked about her boyfriend and asked to be sent home...

It doesn't make her any less of a brave young girl, but to hear the spin coming out of Washington you'd think she was a cross between Wonder Woman and SuperGirl...

ppman

 

[Gil_Favor]

The only person who knows the truth is Pfc. Jessica Lynch,

And the people who captured the young lass.

IM sure she was put through hell,and more.

Let them spin it anyway they want.

But, to be honest, I agree with p_p_man.

 

[weed]

The spin seems to downplay the horror she must have truly gone through.

 

[Expertise]

OK BONEHEAD

If you read between the lines and take off the blinders what they didn't say is at the time going down rifle blazing probably seemed a lot more palatable than getting her ass banged off by an Iraqi infantry battalion.

 

[8ball]

Besides, she's pretty dang cute, too!

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

Jessica Lynch, but when I read this...

"She was fighting to the death,” the official said. “She did not want to be taken alive.”

I burst out laughing...

Whether true or not doesn't matter. But when even the attempts of the US authorities to find a hero (or heroine) in this fabricated war, come out as lines from a Hollywood movie...

I know Bush is still in charge...

ppman

What's to laugh at pp?

My wife is the same MOS as this girl. My wife participated in OPFOR training three years in a row at Ft Bliss. She also did some guerilla training with some Ft Hood/Ft Bragg units while at Ft Bliss. She also did POW training while at Ft Benning. She gets down in the dirt and takes her job seriously. She's tough as nails and while doing OPFOR, she was never captured, she was never a casualty, and had just as many kills as most of males on the OPFOR.

It just shows you that no matter what job someone/a woman has in the Army, they can and do receive training above and beyond what you would think. It's all a matter of motivation and desire to rise above those around you.

Make light of it all you want, but until you truly know what's going on in the US military, you're just speculating on what you hope is the truth.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: I'm sorry to all concerned and especially to...

What's to laugh at pp?

Make light of it all you want, but until you truly know what's going on in the US military, you're just speculating on what you hope is the truth.

I guess what this thread has shown most of all is that Americans seem to need that constant, 'we are the greatest', 'we are the best' mantra and see nothing comical in it at all...

One more time I'll say that I don't doubt Jessica was plucky and brave and scared and wanted to go home...

Anybody would feel the same...

But to me the way she was portrayed by Washington and has been since by the American media has somehow taken something away from her story...

Jingoism is alright in its place, but too much of it with a bad choice of words, and it becomes self-defeating in its laugh provoking effect...

THE END

ppman

 

[Guest]

Re: So Alvin Brickrock...

Do Americans have to be force fed a certain gung-ho way of doing things for them to filled with the fire of patriotism?

ppman

nope it is just how most of us are

 

[sigh]

This is no great revelation, but you really don't understand Americans at all, do you p_p? You're so utterly out of touch that you confuse reality with spin, courage with showmanship and spirit with smoke and mirrors.

Try to hurt ME, p_p, or one I love, and all five-foot, 90-odd pounds of this little pacifist will whip your ass in a frenzy. It's just the way we are. It truly is a part of our culture. It's an ingrained truth that you'll never understand because you just aren't one of us.

I'd like to meet that girl. I think we'd have a hell of an arm-wrestling match, and then I'd like to fuck her silly.

(And I'm a wimp. My folks were hippies. Imagine what a biker chick would do to you.)

Peace.

 

[BiginTexas]

(CBS) The 19-year-old Army supply clerk rescued in Iraq shot several Iraqi soldiers during the March 23 ambush that resulted in her capture, newspaper reported Thursday. She kept firing even after she had several gunshot wounds, finally running out of ammunition, the newspaper said, citing unidentified U.S. officials.

Spirited but hungry, Pfc. Jessica Lynch arrived in Germany for treatment of two broken legs and bullet wounds reportedly suffered in a fierce gun battle she waged against her Iraqi captors.

"She was fighting to the death," the Washington Post quoted an official as saying. "She did not want to be taken alive."

"Talk about spunk!" said Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., who was briefed by military officials on the rescue.

"She's a fighter. She doesn't give up," her mother Deadra told CBS News.

Pentagon officials declined comment on the report.

Lynch's daring nighttime rescue used virtually every asset the U.S. had, reports CBS News Correspondent Lee Cowan, from a battalion of Marines who drew fire as a decoy to U.S. Special Forces, who ran through a hail of gunfire for a stranger — not once, but twice.

"There were fire fights outside of the building, getting in and getting out," said Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks at Central Command in Doha.

The former POW left Iraq on a stretcher with an American flag folded across her chest, and arrived at a U.S. air base in Germany late Wednesday for treatment at the U.S. military's Landstuhl Regional Medical Center. She was the only patient aboard the 10-hour flight, reports CBS News Correspondent Stephan Kaufman at Landstuhl.

From Germany, she spoke with her family at their home in Palestine, W.Va., in a 15-minute telephone call.

"She was weak yesterday, but sounded really spirited," her mother told CBS News Early Show co-anchor Hannah Storm. "And then again this morning, she sounds really good.

"As of this morning, we found out that she had a fractured disc, two fractured legs, a broken arm and that's just about all we know at this point," Deadra Lynch said.

According to the Post account, she was also stabbed when Iraqi forces closed in on her.

"She's weak, she knows she's injured and they're doing the best that they can to get her so she can travel," said her brother Greg Lynch Jr. Her father said she will be transferred to Walter Reed Hospital in Washington as soon as possible.

However, it may be some time before she is reunited with her family, since soldiers taken prisoner often need time to "decompress" and meet with medical and psychological experts.

The U.S. forces who rescued her also found 11 corpses — some believed to be Americans — in and around Saddam Hospital, and the military was trying to determine whether any of them were captured members of her unit.

Lynch and as many as 12 other members of the 507th Maintenance Company were captured after making a wrong turn in Nasariyah. She watched several soldiers in her unit die in the ambush, the Post reported.

Not long after the fighting, five of Lynch's fellow soldiers showed up in Iraqi television footage being asked questions by their captors. The video also showed bodies, apparently of U.S. soldiers, leading the Pentagon to accuse Iraq of executing some POWs.

Lynch joined the Army after graduating from high school in 2001. Her brother Greg enlisted the same day. Her 18-year-old sister Brandi will report for duty in August.

"I still want to do it even more. It's the Lynch blood," Brandi Lynch said.

To help Lynch reach her goal of becoming a kindergarten teacher, West Virginia and Marshall universities and Liberty College in Lynchburg, Va., offered her competing packages Wednesday.

And West Virginia Gov. Bob Wise said the state would finance Lynch's education at a state public college or university of her choosing.

"She wants to become a teacher, and we are going to see that she becomes one," he said after visiting the Lynch family at home.


©MMIII CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Blah, blah, blah. We hear all the time from you loud mouths about cutting and pasting. I guess only when it suits your needs.

Yeah, she's a hero. But her pin-up status and movie of the week coming for her is probably a far greater reward than what her black female compatriot is likely to get when she is released.

But then this is America.

 

[Ham Murabi]

Re: Re: Re: I'm sorry to all concerned and especially to...

I guess what this thread has shown most of all is that Americans seem to need that constant, 'we are the greatest', 'we are the best' mantra and see nothing comical in it at all...

One more time I'll say that I don't doubt Jessica was plucky and brave and scared and wanted to go home...

Anybody would feel the same...

But to me the way she was portrayed by Washington and has been since by the American media has somehow taken something away from her story...

Jingoism is alright in its place, but too much of it with a bad choice of words, and it becomes self-defeating in its laugh provoking effect...

THE END

ppman

ppman is clearly depressed because his hero, the Butcher of Baghdad, is not doing so hot in the war against the Brits and the U.S.
The fact is it's a great story, and you don't have to be a journalist to know it. The woman survived a gun battle, a week with care good enough to keep her alive in an Iraqi hospital, and was rescued in a dramatic operation that included special forces and, yes, gunplay.
I find nothing comical about it. Nor do I find anything comical about the fate of soldiers who were captured with her. Nothing official yet, but I'm betting those bodies that were found are soldiers with Lynch who were captured, then executed.

 

[Annabelllee2003]

Blah, blah, blah. We hear all the time from you loud mouths about cutting and pasting. I guess only when it suits your needs.

Yeah, she's a hero. But her pin-up status and movie of the week coming for her is probably a far greater reward than what her black female compatriot is likely to get when she is released.

But then this is America.

You know, I agreed with you until you spouted the Black stuff.

Females in combat... Real combat are a reality to this country... no color no religion or anything else gets in the way of it. When I served, it didn't matter what color, if I were in harm's way, I was. Period.

If she were black would that make you feel better? How silly are you to let the skin color of a female that nearly gave her life to her country? Would it be more appropriate to you if she were black? Who gives a shit for her color? She is a patriot, a member of the United States fighting force. I don't think any THINKING American... USA American would give a shit what color she is..

You can bite my ass... Mixed blood that it is.

Personally, look at the nurses that died in Viet Nam. Look at the hero women that stand tall and serve the country regardless of thier ethnicity.

Damn you for making it a race thing.

Woman should be in combat if they draw the same pay and wear the uniform. We (I) were/was trained for it. And when you decide to don the unifrom you take the same oath, whether you are black or white or hispanic or any ethnic group... or male or female.

 

[Annabelllee2003]

Jessica Lynch, but when I read this...

"She was fighting to the death,” the official said. “She did not want to be taken alive.”

I burst out laughing...

Whether true or not doesn't matter. But when even the attempts of the US authorities to find a hero (or heroine) in this fabricated war, come out as lines from a Hollywood movie...

I know Bush is still in charge...

ppman

What?

Do I hear you right? Oh my god yes... Let's us just take this as another bit of American propaganda, feeding the war machine.

A fabricated war? Your opinion.. I applaud it for such. God Bless you dear heart. Because you may be next, whether you like it or not.

And All of HOLLYWOOD has rather managed to eschew the war effort. Gee whiz too bad.. Like we need them. So your point is senseless.

 

[p_p_man]

Try to hurt ME, p_p, or one I love, and all five-foot, 90-odd pounds of this little pacifist will whip your ass in a frenzy. It's just the way we are.

And no different from the rest of us...




ppman

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm sorry to all concerned and especially to...

I find nothing comical about it.

Nor do I in the incident itself, but you've got to admit that "She was fighting to the death,” the official said. “She did not want to be taken alive.” is pretty damned funny...

It's sounds like something John Wayne or George Bush would say...

ppman

 

[PixieSteph]

Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm sorry to all concerned and especially to...

The fact is it's a great story, and you don't have to be a journalist to know it.

I believe that was the point of the original post. It's an amazing story yet the spin doctors have to insert Hollywood-style dialogue anyway. Why tell a good story when you can insert script that panders?

 

[p_p_man]

Oh dearie me...

see what happens when the truth starts coming out, it makes over the top statements look ridiculous...and comical...

“WE HAVE HEARD and seen reports that she had multiple gunshot wounds and a knife stabbing. The doctor has not seen any of this,” Gregory Lynch Sr. said.
Lynch said his 19-year-old daughter, who is at a military hospital in Germany, had surgery on her back."

Source: No evidence

ppman

 

[RosevilleCAguy]

Re: Oh dearie me...

see what happens when the truth starts coming out, it makes over the top statements look ridiculous...and comical...

“WE HAVE HEARD and seen reports that she had multiple gunshot wounds and a knife stabbing. The doctor has not seen any of this,” Gregory Lynch Sr. said.
Lynch said his 19-year-old daughter, who is at a military hospital in Germany, had surgery on her back."

Source: No evidence

ppman

I agree.

As an aside, I must comment on how the British always seem to be able to conduct warfare with style. The British Army must be the only one in the world that can make a building clearing operation sound similar to a tea party.

 

[Annabelllee2003]

Re: Oh dearie me...

see what happens when the truth starts coming out, it makes over the top statements look ridiculous...and comical...

“WE HAVE HEARD and seen reports that she had multiple gunshot wounds and a knife stabbing. The doctor has not seen any of this,” Gregory Lynch Sr. said.
Lynch said his 19-year-old daughter, who is at a military hospital in Germany, had surgery on her back."

Source: No evidence what? you want her bloody and bleeding? I don't care for the propaganda. She is an An American LIVING POW.

ppman

It will come out and PP Man... Laugh then. She is like many... the unfortunate outcome of a war that was begging to be waged.


Laugh at the plight of a fallen soldier.