I'm a beginner

Missconduct

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Hi Everyone,

I'm new to this forum and relatively new to BDSM. My interest in BDSM is what led me to Literotica. When I first got a home computer, I discovered Internet porn for myself. My erotic fantasy life began to take on a more focused direction and I started having detailed rape fantasies. I hunted for rape fantasy stories and found Literotica. I consumed the non-consensual stories, then I moved to fetish and shortly after that I started reading about BDSM.

I had very little exposure to the BDSM lifestyle and system of protocol (for lack of a better term). I had only hoped to maybe find a partner with whom I could be intimate and honest enough to share my fantasies. I also am openly a freak within a freak community where several of my close friends are into BDSM. But it didn't occur to me that what I fantasized about was considered BDSM, so I never really engaged them in discussion. It's like all the pieces hadn't come together for me yet. Then I met a man through some friends. We "work" together on a sort of hobby group project which regularly socializes face-to-face. I got to know him over a year as a friend and an associate. I began to like him and asked him out. We dated a little and as interest grew, he came out to me as a Dom and a member of our local BDSM community. He was extremely closeted and shared very little of his private sex life with his close friends. I thought my dreams had come true. I told him I was interested in exploring this side of myself and he loaned me some of the standard literature. I eagerly consumed it and conducted extensive online research. I learned a lot about BDSM and myself.

However, the relationship was not easy. I kept approaching it "by the book" and discovered that talking about BDSM was uncomfortable for him. He had labeled me "vanilla" (even though we met through freak friends) and had me compartmentalized in such a way that when we talked he gave answers based on his prior experiences with (and assumptions about) vanilla people. He said his main focus was D/s but that he was not looking for a 24/7 relationship. He said most of his fantasies were non-consensual, that he had rape fantasies, that he was a control freak and a sadist. He said he liked to tie women up and fuck them. I was not completely clear about what D/s was at the time, so I asked him what he liked to do with respect to that. He said it would involve him holding me down by my hair and fucking me really hard. So with all of this information in our initial discussion, I said it all sounded good to me and like it matched my fantasies and I was eager to discuss it further and learn more. I made sure to ask if he wanted someone with more experience. He said it would be nice, but that he wasn't interested in "pain sluts." I made it clear that, although I had not explored pain play, I knew that I was not a masochist and that I did not require pain in order to get off.

He said he had been "doing this" for 20 years and came across as highly experienced. He said he had never had someone safe-word on him. Then he expressed some trepidation about having another "vanilla" partner because, in the past, they haven't wanted to scene. He also married very young and remained married over a decade. He claims his ex knew what she was getting into, however BDSM ended up being a real hot button in their marriage and it was hard for him talk about with me. He claims his ex-wife never discussed BDSM, treated it as taboo, submitted as "her wifely duty" and that he didn't want that kind of relationship again. He wanted someone who was genuinely interested. He is still good friends with his ex, which I took as a good sign. I also know a couple of his ex-girlfriends with whom he is also friends. I like them and they seem like very good women. One just wasn't into his kink and the other was into it, but was more in love with his friend. He did say that he had similar relationship issues with them as he was having with me. He also drinks heavily, which I took as a bad sign.

I was clear that since I was new at this, I wanted to start simple and build. We had a good first scene. There was so much I loved about it. Afterwards, he said he wanted to scene with me again. I was eager to give feedback the next time I saw him and before we scened again. I asked if he wanted to know, and when he said yes, I endeavored to tell him what worked and what didn't work for me and then find out the same from him. He didn't take the feedback very well. I felt he scoffed at what I liked or just wasn't interested. And the few things I thought that didn't work effected him very poorly such that he withdrew and had a hard time initiating scenes with me. He accused me of being bossy, demanding, pressuring and topping from the bottom. Due to perseverance and clear communication, I later found out that he felt I was grading him and that he got a poor grade. Well, that really was kind of what happened. And, according to my research, that is my prerogative as a consenting submissive as a means to protect myself.

The scene went a little like this: I had never been blindfolded, gagged or bound (let alone beaten). He blindfolded, gagged and hogtied me and laid me on my stomach on the bed. Then he started fumbling with chains and saying "whoops" and "darn." (I later found out he did this on purpose). But it made me panic a little and become short of breath. Being gagged, bound and on my stomach made breathing hard so I asked that the gag be removed. He obliged. Then he bound me in such a way that I could stand and lay half on the bed. He spanked me and conducted some other sensation play with toys. This was very arousing and I was awash in consuming sense of gratitude. I realized later that this was me heading for subspace. He began to fondle my genitals for the first time ever in our relationship and I was a little alarmed that he did not wear gloves (I had noticed that he had a few infected hangnails). When he inserted a two-in-one vibrating dildo in me without a condom, I was also a little concerned and it impeded my ability to orgasm. He then tied me spread-eagle to the bed and attempted to fist me. He never really seemed to know where my clit was and it was not easy to achieve an orgasm as a result. I finally did but I really needed to hear his voice and was afraid to say what I wanted him to do. Later that night he asked if I would like to suck his dick. Overall he was not very Dominant. I could not tell if he was holding back for my sake or if it was a performance anxiety issue for him or what. But I really needed to be told what to do. I was not comfortable asking for what I wanted in the scene. I was not under voice control so I did try to heat up the scene a little by asking him to go down on me and I discovered that he did not enjoy this activity. Anyway, I didn't even get a chance to share all of this with him because when I mentioned later that it is recommended condoms be used on toys shared with various partners, he shut down.

We had a couple of more scenes which I enjoyed. However, when I asked how I did after my first flogging, he said, "Not bad for a novice." I was coming out of my first official journey into subspace and this made me cry. I was not as upset by what he said as I was by the fact _that_ he said it. Because it revealed to me that he did not know what he was doing and I felt it demonstrated a huge lack of respect for me and my experience. He often referred to our scenes as "mild" which I allowed to unilaterally invalidate my experience because, for me, they were some of the most intense erotic experiences I had.

He could not articulate to me what he wanted from me, what pleased him, what I could do to satisfy him, what he liked and what his fantasies were. He would take things I said out of scene the wrong way, develop resentment and then be flippant to me in retaliation. When I called him on being flippant he would apologize and claim that he had taken that thing I said last week poorly and was reacting unconsciously to it. From all of my research and the great literature, I knew that this was not a good situation for me as a beginner submissive. Our communication did develop better and we were finally able to begin to talk about some things which were "trigger issues" for him. But he never could tell me what exactly those trigger issues were. He'd make unilateral comments, like, "I haven't been making this easy for you." And, "you have several personality traits which push my triggers." This created havoc with my self esteem and it nearly got to a point where I was afraid to scratch in front of him. If I asked him what those personality traits were, he'd withdraw and offer vague responses like, "You're asking for specifics." Or, "I'm not conscious of them until after they happen."

He rarely wanted to play or scene with me. He wanted to take a rope bondage class and when we did he snapped at me in front of the people and in the car ride home. I laid in bed naked next to him and he rarely touched me and never initiated sex or intimate activity. He would offer to scene and then disappear for a couple of hours in his office and then say he got out of the mood. He said it took him a long time to get into Domspace. When I finally asked what I could do to help him (which was uncomfortable for me 'cause I so wanted to be told what to do) he had no answers. I asked if he minded telling me to kneel, put on the collar or crawl, he said he had to think about it. I asked if I could volunteer these activities and he said, "That might be good." I felt lost most of the time and finally decided to end things. But each time I'd talk about ending it, he'd encourage me to stay and make clear efforts toward change (more than any partner I've ever been with).

Ultimately it appeared that intercourse, sex and intimacy were not part of the package. He could stay erect for a long time, but he would not ejaculate with oral or penetration. I discovered this is a sexual dysfunction called delayed or retarded ejaculation. The few blow-jobs he did ask for (because he knew I liked doing this) he either fell asleep or would tell me it felt good and then tell me to stop. He had never received a hand job nor masturbated in front of a partner. When I addressed this and asked if he enjoyed sexual gratification during, from or after play, he said it rarely happened and it was a problem because he'd get a sort of testosterone poisoning when a scene was over which left him frustrated and grumpy. He was also really afraid that punishment would divide us and scare me away. No matter how much I explained that I fully understood the concept of punishment and I was a consenting participant with him in D/s. I finally articulated my understanding of punishment in such a way that he even said he couldn't have put it better himself.

So, in our final scene which involved punishment, I feel he went about it very well. In prior subspace he had hit me hard with a double leather belt (not a tawse, but one with the two pieces of leather which flap against each other--what's that called?) and I enjoyed it. It left a mark for about two weeks, so it was a relatively hard hit. He knew how hard to hit me so I'd feel it hurt if not in subspace and prepared to whack my ass cheek nearest him with the implement. Unfortunately it wrapped and smacked my clit and labia. My mind reeled. I was incensed in thinking that he did not know what he was doing. I knew this was no way to begin pussy torture on a beginner whom you wanted to keep around, and it wasn't very smart punishment if he intended to continue playing with me immediately afterwards. So I had to safe-word. He untied me immediately. I ran to the bathroom to see if my plumbing still worked. When I returned, I was irate. When he said it was an accident and he didn't mean for it to wrap, I crumbled. I felt stupid for safe-wording. I felt like a wimp. I felt like a novice, unwanted, loser sub. He comforted me and said I was smart to safe-word (that doesn't mean I enjoyed doing it). Thing is, my pussy was dripping wet and by that afternoon I was horny as a dog. So I totally can see the value of this sort of treatment. The next day he finally out and out told me how he wanted our time together to be. He painted a picture which mowed down a couple of my already declared hard limits (which he forgot even though he told me to type and print them out for him). I felt like I had no choice, like I had to do what he was telling me and it made me feel forsaken and empty inside. I was quiet for a long time and he finally said he had no idea that was how I'd respond since the prior scene went so well, safe-word and all. He told me that what he was he was doing was beginning a negotiation and that I didn't have to do everything he said if I didn't want to. But by then I was speechless. Some sort of disconnect happened where I didn't even know what I wanted anymore. It was actually more a feeling of discouragement. And at that point, all I wanted was to have my still aching pussy tenderly and lovingly licked and I knew he didn't like to do that. Ultimately the truth was clear, we were a mismatch. The relationship was allowed to continue long past when this should have been established, so there was heartbreak and huge disappointment on both sides.

He is a great guy. We have remained friends. He has been more supportive and there for me as a friend than he was as a partner. He says he grew more comfortable talking about BDSM with me than with anyone and that he learned a lot about himself. Right now, he realizes that he does not know what kind of Dom he is and what he wants in a relationship with a submissive. He is surprised at how comfortable he's become about people knowing of his interests. I have a wonderful community of unique, loving, supportive friends who have welcomed, embraced and accepted him. He loves them and they love him. I sense that he has never really had the opportunity to play at the level he'd like. He's never had a BDSM girlfriend who whole-heartedly participated with him. He's played with various subs but never found someone he felt intellectually and socially compatible with. He had some financial difficulties while we were together which I know interfered with his libido. We wanted to take more classes but we just couldn't afford them at the time. He currently does not have the best relationship with his Dom side and I see him stifle himself, forsaking this very important part of himself. I sense that this part of him is very wounded--he could only allude to his marriage, but I imagine that experience may have left him greatly emasculated. He says the divorce nearly killed him. He was obviously not ready for the type of relationship he claimed he wanted with me but constantly told me that I was not ready. I have a tremendous amount of compassion and understanding for him. I adore him and would love to see him fulfill his desires. I would love even more to be the one who can participate with him to this end. However, his drinking is an issue. He does not appear to possess the self-control necessary to have the type of relationship he says he wants. And no matter how attracted to him I am, I cannot put myself in that kind of danger.

However, this experience has left me feeling very vulnerable, overly sensitive, undesirable and a little afraid of playing. I have tons of supportive friends in my local BDSM community who have made it clear to me that they are there for me and will help whenever I'm ready. I have a very skilled Domme friend who has assured me that I did the right thing, that I wasn't topping from the bottom, that what I did is called "participation," and when I'm ready she would love to either play with me or introduce me to a bevy of men who would love nothing more than to discover me in this way. I have a very strong and dynamic personality and I'm a tall woman. So I fit many people's fantasies as a Domme. However, this is clearly not who I am. My fantasies and desires do not involve my being the top. I struggled with this a little until I found some information which validated my experience. I use my dynamic personality and can come off a bit intimidating as a protective reaction to that soft, vulnerable, little thing inside me that wants so desperately to please those I love. This has been an excellent lesson for me. If I were told I have vulnerabilities a year ago, I would've come across defensively and stated, "I'm strong, damnit!" But now I see that I do have vulnerabilities and, moreover, vulnerability can be sexy.

All of this has left me frustrated, insecure and invalidated. Where once I had a rich and satisfying fantasy life with tons of mind-blowing self-induced orgasms, I grew disconnected from that. I'm a little better, but I still am confused. I like sex. I consider it all to be sex. I don't like to call it "vanilla." I started referring to activities in our relationship as BDSM and Non-BDSM Sexual Expression just so that I could remove the labeling and stigma. But for me, when I say sex, I mean any and all forms of sexual expression. And my belief is that we do these things ultimately for sexual arousal, stimulation and/or satisfaction. I mean, I know there's so much more which cannot be easily articulated (no matter how hard everyone tries), but isn't that ultimately the bottom line? This situation has made me doubt that I can have what I want. Is it sex or not? Is it for mutual gratification or not? I read all the wonderful fantasies you all share and the information about how it should be and I just don't believe it can really exist.

I want to be told what to do, I want to please, I want to know how to please my partner, I want to know _that_ I please my partner, I want my partner to be interested in pleasing me, I want sensual punishment followed by good, hard fucking. Is that wrong? I read Different Loving and several of those interviewed had part time D/s relationships where they were equals when not in scene. I want that. I also want to be demeaned, humiliated, teased, controlled and spanked as well as loved, treasured and cherished. I have trouble figuring out how to be a supportive and encouraging equal partner as the submissive without a) bruising my beloved's ego, b) feeling like I'm taking too much charge and/or c) compromising the power exchange. Is it possible to be a submissive and still speak my mind to my partner? To say when I don't think things seem right and contribute ideas on how I think it can go right? Is it possible to provide my partner with practice and experience without becoming a punching bag? Am I allowed to say what I like and don't like? Is it unrealistic to expect to be able to make suggestions about how I think scenes can improve? Can I initiate negotiation after a relationship has been established? If so, how?

Thanks for your time and any feedback you can afford. Sorry this was so long.
 
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Welcome to the forums, Missconduct.

I would say this post wherein you share so much of yourself is likely to be something you would want to share or discuss with any Dominant who considers spending time with you.

It may be that this particular Dominant is and can only be your friend, but another Dominant will be your match.

In my own experience, the Dominants that I have been with have each had their own way of requesting feedback and receiving it. For some, scene reports /journals are their mode of communication. For others, open discussion. IN any event, feedback and participation is a give and take situation wherein you both need to discuss your feelings about a scene or any other aspect of BDSM that strikes a chord, good or bad.

Communication is at the hub of any BDSM relationship and it sounds like you have a desire to not only engage in BDSM, but to make it work and communicate.

There is someone fro everyone with time and patience.

But remember, a BDSM relationshp is a relationship first, like many others....common interrests, an ability to talk and communicate openly, trust and respect.

Move at your own pace and feel free to post and read here.

Welcome, again.

:)
 
Sure it was long but it just expressed the fears I know I had starting out and I'm sure others as well. It's hard in the beginning and everytime you add something new it will be a challenge. I know I wondered was I Domly enough, could I punish and where was my control level going to be in the relationship? It's a tough juggling act showing your strenghts and weaknesses. You were correct to say what you liked and disliked, how can we as Doms truly improve if we get no feedback. Though learning, sometimes you just have to push limits as well but that's only when trust and open communication have been firmly rooted in relationship. And by all means use proper precautions. I wish you luck in your search and look forward to future happier posts.
 
Three things jumped out me

1) Don't feel bad for using your safeword. Newbie or vet, use it whenever you feel the need. It's part of the communications process. Do realize sometimes new experiences are hard or disconcerting, that's part of expanding you limits.

2) (and this is rapidly becoming my mantra on the board) just because two people are into BDSM does not mean they'll be a good couple. Ignoring outside questions, not everyone is into the same things. I'm a Dom, but their are plenty subs who would never work for me (and vice versa). You have some experience, you are still friends with the guy, I say it ended pretty well. Keep looking.

3) You made a very astute observation. I feel stupid for saying this but "Doms are people too." Believe it or not things outside relationship can effect us. You were wise to notice his troubles with the big green friend effected the relationship. I had a sub once who wanted to play the day my grandfather died.
 
Three things jumped out me

1) Don't feel bad for using your safeword.

Thanks. I feel more bad that what he wants to do seemed more difficult for him than for me. And that I couldn't help him.

2) just because two people are into BDSM does not mean they'll be a good couple.

We were an excellent couple. It all seemed to breakdown with BDSM. Everything else we did together went really joyfully and smoothly: gardening, cooking, cleaning, planning, camping--we communicated great verbally and non-verbally with understanding. Plus, he had no trouble giving me direction out of scene as his equal with non-sexual tasks. It seemed logical that we could carry over this compatibility into the bedroom. It was in scene and specifically sex which were difficult.

Ignoring outside questions, not everyone is into the same things. I'm a Dom, but their are plenty subs who would never work for me (and vice versa).

It's good that you know this and that you (I assume) are able to communicate it.

3) You made a very astute observation. I feel stupid for saying this but "Doms are people too."

Please don't feel stupid for that. That's the first thing I maintained awareness around in this relationship. I certainly did not expect him (nor do I expect anyone else) to be "perfect." I just wanted to be able to talk openly and comfortably about things before we went head-long into it. And that just did not seem to be on the menu. And I think that's un-right.

I had a sub once who wanted to play the day my grandfather died.

You know what? At first I was going to say, "How rude of them." But now I think the big lesson here is that people are people. Some are inconsiderate, some are not. This could've been an inconsiderate selfish desire. Or it could've been the sub's way of offering you comfort the best way they knew how.

Thanks for telling me it ended well. That felt good.

xx,
 
Gardners never make good doms

Missconduct said:
I feel more bad that what he wants to do seemed more difficult for him than for me. And that I couldn't help him.

Again don't. You tried to be a god sub, Some couples just weren't meant to be.

It's good that you know this and that you (I assume) are able to communicate it.

Yep, saves alot of time.

I just wanted to be able to talk openly and comfortably about things before we went head-long into it. And that just did not seem to be on the menu. And I think that's un-right.

There are differing schools of thought on this. I personally will scene and then discuss it afterwards (not that night, the next day of over breakfast). Some tops have longs talks before hand. Others say my way or the highway.

At first I was going to say, "How rude of them." But now I think the big lesson here is that people are people. Some are inconsiderate, some are not. This could've been an inconsiderate selfish desire. Or it could've been the sub's way of offering you comfort the best way they knew how.

I think it was a mixture of her not getting it and me usually being pretty emotionally indifferent so she figured I was okay. I got pissed after I said I want to just chill a couple of times and that pretty much ended the relationship.
 
You said:

> Gardners never make good Doms

lol. I'll keep that in mind:)

> There are differing schools of thought on this. I personally will scene and then discuss it afterwards (not that night, the next day of over breakfast). Some tops have longs talks before hand. Others say my way or the highway.

So than am I correct in understanding that there is no school which says: scene first, have long talks skirting around the discussion at breakfast, get defensive, place blame, say my way or the highway and then try to back-paddle when that didn't work?

I know, I know. Doms are humans too {sigh}. Note: must. get. rid. of. bitterness. and. resentment. caused. by. disappointment.

It's not too much to expect a Dom to say _something_, mean it and stick to it, right?

xx,
 
I loved you reacted to the throw away line

I don't know the whole situation, and I'm not blaming you but... in my own experiences most subs have a "natural" hesitancy to big up issues to their dom/me. This is why I always try to have set discussion away from the bedroom. Other toppers have subs keep "diaries."
 
Croctden (I just got your nickname) said:

> I loved you reacted to the throw away line

I'm a writer and an avid word appreciator.

> I don't know the whole situation,

I think the whole problem for me is neither do I.

> and I'm not blaming you but... in my own experiences most subs have a "natural" hesitancy to big up issues to their dom/me.

No blame taken. And I know I had some of this hesitancy, but I worked through it. I wouldn't call my hesitancy "natural" so much as a reaction to his demeanor. He was uncomfortable talking about sex and BDSM just about all the time--am I correct for thinking that's a red flag?

> This is why I always try to have set discussion away from the bedroom.

You seem to have a better idea of how to go about things than he said he did.

> Other toppers have subs keep "diaries."

I felt rejected when he suggested I share what I'd written, and then he didn't read it.

Is it wrong of me to think that being angry, obstinate, accusatory, stonewalling and reactive are not very Dominant behaviors?

xx,

P.S. How do you make the parts of a post you're responding to be separated from your response?
 
Missconduct

A lovely post...when you find your magic you will know it. From your post it would seem (simplification rant) that you crave the control of a Dominant as much as the sexual interraction.
That is not a bad thing or a good thing..but it does tell you that the type of Dominant that may be more suited to your needs is one that craves controlling.
BDSM is not all about sex but there is at the very least a sexual current below the surface most of the time.
It also appears that communication is a big part of the gratification in the journey for you..which in My opinion is a good thing but once again it dictates which kind of a Dominant would be more suitable for you. A verbal Dom/me who has a genuine need to discuss the ups and downs and ins and outs..so to say! A Dominant that naturally instructs, commands, directs, soothes and validates.
D/s will not go by the book even though educating yourself is incredibly valuable...it can also place a wedge between you and your experiences if your mind goes to the study more often than to the moment. Each of Us is unique with Our own quirks.
Move slowly into your next relationship and now that you are aware of the warning signs (ex. inability to discuss BDSM comfortably) listen to your gut. Being kinky and desiring to be Dominant does not make one a Dom/me.
I think what I am trying to say is this...a title does not make magic..sparks of excitement and passion do.
Welcome to the forum..and thank you for a wonderful post.
 
Thanks so much

Shadowsdream said:

I think what I am trying to say is this...a title does not make magic..sparks of excitement and passion do.


That's beautiful. Thank you so much.

Welcome to the forum..and thank you for a wonderful post.

I'm so glad you like my post :)

xx,
 
I think one of the common mistakes I have seen from "newbies" (nothing disparaging in the term) is the "I'm a submissive, so all I need is someone who is a dominant. Anyone will do!" (I have to say that submissive males often seem to be the worst at this.)

It's not true. Like any relationship, sex, kink, lifestyle -- well, they are important. But you need more than that to make a sucess of it longer term.

I think (from what I read) this another example. In a way, I am surprised that your first experienced worked as well as it did. But I am glad it did! You've learnt a lot about yourself, and that is really positive! You've kept a good friend, and you've moved on.

Next time (and I do hope there is one), go for someone who is more compatible in other areas, as well as sexually. Best of luck -- eve those who have been in this for ages (I don't include myself there) still struggle sometimes with finding the right people for partners. But if you don't try... then you certainly won't succeed.
 
Missconduct, there is nothing easy about being new to all of this. It takes time and patience to find the right match. It can be very scary and, at times, can play hell with self esteem if you allow that to happen. The good news is, its possible to find your magic as Shadowsdream so eloquently describes it. When that happens, you will know that every step of the journey was worth it. I'm glad you found your way to Lit.
 
Admittedly only getting one side of the story, however:

you have a right to all the things you were requesting from this person, and you continue to have a right to them.

Consistency, Follow-through. Interest in domination. Competency with tools. And most of all, some humility. You realize that Doms are people too, the Dom also has to realize that, and that he/she will make mistakes and have the balls to be confronted with a mistake.

There's nothing in a post like yours, epxressed thoughtfully and rationally, that should offend a Dominant.
 
Netzach wrote:

Admittedly only getting one side of the story, however:


Well the other side is that he really thought we were going to make it long-term, but he just wasn't ready. That's what he says.

you have a right to all the things you were requesting from this person, and you continue to have a right to them.

Consistency, Follow-through. Interest in domination. Competency with tools. And most of all, some humility. You realize that Doms are people too, the Dom also has to realize that, and that he/she will make mistakes and have the balls to be confronted with a mistake.

There's nothing in a post like yours, epxressed thoughtfully and rationally, that should offend a Dominant.


Thank you so much for recognizing and addressing my concerns so succinctly. I sure do appreciate that and have received great relief from your response.

I'm really enjoying having this opportunity to get a broader perspective from you all, especially the Dom/mes. Thanks again.

FungiUg

I think one of the common mistakes I have seen from "newbies" (nothing disparaging in the term) is the "I'm a submissive, so all I need is someone who is a dominant. Anyone will do!"


This was not the case in my experience since I didn't know for sure that I was a submissive until after I met him. I still do not feel how you describe. In fact, quite the opposite. I feel discouraged, insecure and afraid that I'll ever find someone who can see past my strong personality enough to dominate me. Which is why I came here. I'm looking for validation and an opportunity to change my skewed and self-damaging perspective.

go for someone who is more compatible in other areas

You might have missed one of my responses where I stated that we had a lot of compatibility in the relationship (which is why it lasted so long). The only place we had struggle was D/s. And I'm not even sure that we were incompatible there because he didn't really give that part of the relationship a chance. In retrospect, he says he unconsciously made it difficult because he wasn't ready for a relationship. He also discovered for the first time that he had trouble making what he called the shift from boyfriend to Dom. What we did discuss about our mutual kink was very compatible, but we just couldn't seem to bring it into reality. I think that ultimately he does not have the experience he claims to have (I think he realized this with me). AND I realized he was drunk most of the time.

I'm not in any hurry to run out and get a beating from just anyone who claims the title. In fact, as I said, I have a highly skilled and eager play partner (I know 'cause I've seen her work:) ) waiting for whenever I'm ready. I just want to feel okay with the way I am first.

xx,
 
Don't sweat too much over your strong personality...it's an asset. In my search it was one of the most sought after qualities of the dominants I met, and certainly one of the points which Master found so appealing he threw all previous patterns of dealing with prospective slaves out the window. We have now been Master/slave for almost 14 months, married for 11 months, and 24/7 for 10 months...and it was well worth all the hesitancy, analysing, searching, disillusionment, experiencing, and submission. Welcome to Literotica btw.

Catalina
 
catalina_francisco

certainly one of the points which Master found so appealing he threw all previous patterns of dealing with prospective slaves out the window.


I would love that more than anything. Thanks for letting me know that this can happen.

In a way I guess I sort of got it. I mean my Master (I sure miss calling him that:() made a lot of concessions to keep me around and he said that he loved my strong personality. Said it made it more exciting when a strong person submits.

I'm not certain if I made it clear that I'm the one who ended the relationship, he did not. He kept trying to keep me until finally he said he had decided not to try if I really wanted to go. Part of me was disappointed by that because I would really like someone who really, really wants to keep me and isn't resistent to laying the groundwork for the relationship to succeed.

I guess...well...I guess in many ways I regret ending it. But according to everything I was reading, he was showing some of the defined red flags. Since I had no prior experience for reference, I just had to go on my gut. And I'm not completely sure my gut was being totally honest with me due to all the other transitions I was undergoing at the time (learning I'm a sub, career change, life/location change).

What I did very wrong in the relationship was I was not always so rational as I am here. I would have what my Master termed as "freak outs" about once a week. I'd read something that made me question him and that didn't feel good. So I'd try to bring it up, but mostly what came across was fear, uncertainty and doubt. He did not deal with this well and withdrew. The more he withdrew, the more I'd freakout--it became a damaging pattern which we both agreed had to stop. So if we were to continue, we had to stop. And if we were to stop, we had to stop. He was either not good at or not in the place at the time to provide me with any reassurance.

Maybe things would have gone better if I had joined this forum sooner. oh shoot, now i'm crying againg

xx,
 
Is always good to leave something that isn't working...Master was the first one I didn't want to leave and the first and only one I became slave to. Was what I wanted, a lifetime commitment, as did he. As to freakouts, well I still have them about some issues from time to time which then requires his patience and understanding, and my commitment to try. I think any relationship is going to have these ups and downs, even after a lifetime together as people change, grow, see things from a different perspective than previously, but that is what makes it all so interesting and a journey well worth taking.

Catalina
 
I empathize with a great deal of your struggle, Missconduct. The most frustrating times I've had with T, my dominant--which included "freaking out" regularly, periods of depression, doubts in my submission--came from times when he was not giving all that I needed. I am not saying it was entirely due to him. But since I did not yet know what I needed, I often accepted times when I was lacking it. Commands that he wouldn't care enough about to make sure I did them, or to punish me if I didn't. Long periods when he wouldn't take any control of me. Then sometimes he would come back after not giving me ANYthing and just tell me to do something really challenging, which I resented. And then doubted myself--what does it take? Do I want to be dominated more, or less? Do I want to really have control? If not, why do I get so irritated when he doesn't let me have any? It's a circle.

It gets better,even within a single relationship--after all, T and I both grew out of that painful process and are still together--but it takes a great deal of honesty and self-awareness on both sides. Your former dominant sounds like he has a great many issues of self-worth that he has not resolved. The fact that he took your feedback so poorly speaks measures.

From my own experiences, it seems like you aren't quite sure of what you want from a D/s relationship. The conflict of "wanting to remain in control while giving up control" is near and dear to me and it's something I'm still going through. Wanting to give yourself totally to his pleasure--but still get something yummy for yourself as well. Wanting candlelit dinners and candlewax on your skin. I know this story. It's possible. I actually think more Doms are comfortable with this half-and-half kind of D/s than the alternative. I might be wrong there. But just know that you aren't alone in your conflicted desires, and that there does not need to be a conflict.

Lots of the other stuff has already been addressed quite nicely, so I'll just say that to quote somebody, you copy and paste the desired phrases into the "Quote" option which is above the block of text you're currently typing in, near the bold, italic, and underlined options. To quote the entire passage, hit the little blue "Quote" option right next to "Edit" under the post in question, rather than "Post Reply." (Unless you're Pure, of course, in which case who the hell knows what you do.)

Welcome to the Forum, and thank you for introducing yourself so openly! It was a good read.
 
Quint said:
But just know that you aren't alone in your conflicted desires, and that there does not need to be a conflict.

Thank you. That's a big relief too.

To quote the entire passage, hit the little blue "Quote" option right next to "Edit" under the post in question, rather than "Post Reply."

Yay! Thanks. That works great.

xx,
 
Missconduct said:

This was not the case in my experience since I didn't know for sure that I was a submissive until after I met him. I still do not feel how you describe. In fact, quite the opposite. I feel discouraged, insecure and afraid that I'll ever find someone who can see past my strong personality enough to dominate me. Which is why I came here. I'm looking for validation and an opportunity to change my skewed and self-damaging perspective.

I'm not in any hurry to run out and get a beating from just anyone who claims the title. In fact, as I said, I have a highly skilled and eager play partner (I know 'cause I've seen her work:) ) waiting for whenever I'm ready. I just want to feel okay with the way I am first.

Often BDSM relationships are harder than vanilla ones. You had a bad experience, relax and recover. If you still want to submit - welcome to the team.

As a Dom I would say don't worry about having too strong a personality. Some of us like that, there was a thread about top alphas at some point. There a hell of alot of issues in BDSM, but there are plenty of Doms out there who would be great for you. More won't be, but just look around and you'll find someone.
 
Missconduct said:
What I did very wrong in the relationship was I was not always so rational as I am here. I would have what my Master termed as "freak outs" about once a week. I'd read something that made me question him and that didn't feel good. So I'd try to bring it up, but mostly what came across was fear, uncertainty and doubt. He did not deal with this well and withdrew. The more he withdrew, the more I'd freakout--it became a damaging pattern which we both agreed had to stop. So if we were to continue, we had to stop. And if we were to stop, we had to stop. He was either not good at or not in the place at the time to provide me with any reassurance.

Maybe things would have gone better if I had joined this forum sooner. oh shoot, now i'm crying againg

Here I'm going to turn on you a bit. It's good to read, but don't think what you read here is the only way to go. All Dom/subs are different, what works for you or doesn't may be the reverse for someone else. Don't read someone else's opinion and think you're doing it wrong. If it appeals to you, of course mention it to see if he digs it, but remain fluid.

Also do you mind if I ask how long you were together?
 
Quint said:
Wanting candlelit dinners and candlewax on your skin. I know this story. It's possible. I actually think more Doms are comfortable with this half-and-half kind of D/s than the alternative.

Ding ding ding, give the sub a prize lash. I don't if I would say most, but certainly many do. Personally I'm never sure if I want 24/7,
 
Croctden said:
Also do you mind if I ask how long you were together?

Not at all. We were together for about 10 months and friends for a year before that. Although BDSM didn't enter the picture until we got together. We really took it very slow. He was not able to talk openly with me about BDSM until about half way into the relationship. But I had to begin every conversation. I sense it brought up old wounds he has not yet resolved from his marriage.

And it wasn't a completely bad experience. I'm sorry I represented it that way. The relationship overall was a very good experience. The bad experience is all of this emotional fallout around feeling unsupported as a submissive by him. He got a lot better towards the end there. I just got tired of having to ask for every single courtesy and kindness, many of which I feel are common sense. If we had an agreement wherein I was to be treated as unworthy--that would've been different. But we couldn't seem to get to an agreement phase without triggering difficult emotional buttons.

I'm still a little stuck with this residue feeling that I have to convince someone or something that I really am interested and that this stuff really does turn me on more than anything I've ever encountered. I spent about half of the relationship trying to crawl out from under his labeling system: "novice" "vanilla" "non-vanilla" "girlfriend v. submissive." As I said, he's very closeted and his world is segregated and compartmentalized.

Sometimes I felt like I was dealing sexually with his inner 9 year old who first discovered bondage pics in his uncle's attic. Or the 13 year old who rented Gor novels from the library.

I had hoped he would've been thrilled at the enthusiastic fresh meat I felt I was offering. But it only seemed to daunt him more psychologically.

And when I mention stuff I read that told me of red flags, it was from the standard books, not from a chat forum - Screw the Roses, The Bottoming & Topping Books, Different Loving, The Loving Dominant.

The red flags that freaked me out were:

* He drinks too much - I had a limit about not drinking during scening (because that is advised everywhere).

* His equipment wasn't clean (make up on a gag).

* He was not handling me as a beginner as the book he loaned me recommended (I see now that it was incorrect of me to assume this would happen-but I only had the book to draw from).

* During conversation, it appeared he had not actually read these books he owned.

* He could not share fantasies, no matter how horrible or how much he would not do them in real life.

* He did not seem to want to know my fantasies.

* He was so afraid of scaring me away, that it scared me away (his fear did not instill confidence in me).

* He would not say what he wanted, but then he'd get mad after I said or did something he didn't want (not in scene).

The bottom line for me was it became apparent that, although he claimed to have 20 years experience (sometimes he'd say 30 years, counting back to age 9), his actions, choices and skills demonstrated something quite different. This was not only a big red flag, it made it difficult for me to trust him and feel safe with him (more psychologically and emotionally than physically). He had no idea, nor seemed to care, what I was going through as an evolving submissive. Not that this is required or that I needed it (although, it would've been nice). It just demonstrated that he did not have the experience he claimed to have. I think that's a potentially hazardous combination. Not that he was lying or trying to be deliberately deceptive. I think he truly believed that he had this experience. I think his ego needed to believe it. As I said, I think his BDSM experiences overall have been very harmful to him emotionally.

Oh gosh, this got long again. Oh well, I was going to delete a bunch. But then I figured if I had been able to read someone's experience like this, I maybe would not have lost that connection with my emotional center.

xx,
 
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Missconduct said:
Not at all. We were together for about 10 months and friends for a year before that. Although BDSM didn't enter the picture until we got together. We really took it very slow. He was not able to talk openly with me about BDSM until about half way into the relationship. But I had to begin every conversation. I sense it brought up old wounds he has not yet resolved from his marriage.

That should be a warning sign if someone is not open about what they’re into up front.

And it wasn't a completely bad experience. I'm sorry I represented it that way. The relationship overall was a very good experience. The bad experience is all of this emotional fallout around feeling unsupported as a submissive by him. He got a lot better towards the end there. I just got tired of having to ask for every single courtesy and kindness, many of which I feel are common sense. If we had an agreement wherein I was to be treated as unworthy--that would've been different. But we couldn't seem to get to an agreement phase without triggering difficult emotional buttons.

I'm still a little stuck with this residue feeling that I have to convince someone or something that I really am interested and that this stuff really does turn me on more than anything I've ever encountered. I spent about half of the relationship trying to crawl out from under his labeling system: "novice" "vanilla" "non-vanilla" "girlfriend v. submissive." As I said, he's very closeted and his world is segregated and compartmentalized.

Not every BDSM is a real relationship. Some people are only dom and sub, not a couple outside of that. As for convincing someone you’re into BDSM, I can’t imagine it would be all that hard. Just say “beat my ass.” I’ve never heard of anyone having trouble getting the message they like to get punished across.

Sometimes I felt like I was dealing sexually with his inner 9 year old who first discovered bondage pics in his uncle's attic. Or the 13 year old who rented Gor novels from the library.

I had hoped he would've been thrilled at the enthusiastic fresh meat I felt I was offering. But it only seemed to daunt him more psychologically.


I always love it when women refer to themselves as fresh meat.

And when I mention stuff I read that told me of red flags, it was from the standard books, not from a chat forum - Screw the Roses, The Bottoming & Topping Books, Different Loving, The Loving Dominant.

The red flags that freaked me out were:

* He drinks too much - I had a limit about not drinking during scening (because that is advised everywhere).

* His equipment wasn't clean (make up on a gag).

* He was not handling me as a beginner as the book he loaned me recommended (I see now that it was incorrect of me to assume this would happen-but I only had the book to draw from).

* During conversation, it appeared he had not actually read these books he owned.

* He could not share fantasies, no matter how horrible or how much he would not do them in real life.

* He did not seem to want to know my fantasies.

* He was so afraid of scaring me away, that it scared me away (his fear did not instill confidence in me).

* He would not say what he wanted, but then he'd get mad after I said or did something he didn't want (not in scene).


Okay this is a pretty legitimate list, my apologies. I still don’t put much faith in books.

The bottom line for me was it became apparent that, although he claimed to have 20 years experience (sometimes he'd say 30 years, counting back to age 9),


I shouldn’t laugh at your pain, but that cracked me up. I picture a little kid: “All those bitches in kindergarten knew who was in charge. If they talked back, out came the wiffle bat!”

his actions, choices and skills demonstrated something quite different. This was not only a big red flag, it made it difficult for me to trust him and feel safe with him (more psychologically and emotionally than physically). He had no idea, nor seemed to care, what I was going through as an evolving submissive. Not that this is required or that I needed it (although, it would've been nice). It just demonstrated that he did not have the experience he claimed to have. I think that's a potentially hazardous combination. Not that he was lying or trying to be deliberately deceptive. I think he truly believed that he had this experience. I think his ego needed to believe it. As I said, I think his BDSM experiences overall have been very harmful to him emotionally.

Oh gosh, this got long again. Oh well, I was going to delete a bunch. But then I figured if I had been able to read someone's experience like this, I maybe would not have lost that connection with my emotional center.

xx,

I wonder if he’d ever broken in a sub before. That might have made him nervous. I’m not the most experienced at that myself. I’ve always tried to do a few isolated aspects at first: spanking, then regular sex; sex with her wearing handcuffs, but not cuffed to anything; anal if she’s never done that before, etc. Grill her afterwards to she how she felt and expand from there.
 
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