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I remember at that time how the world went crazy and condemned Israel......Including Reagan, Bush and Cheney......
In retrospect, we, the whole world, owe Israel a debt of gratitude!
In retrospect, we, the whole world, owe Israel a debt of gratitude!
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Here is the editorial from the Wall Street Journal, about that bombing in 1981
Mourning the Bomb
Why Israel's fallen astronaut was a hero to America.
Sunday, February 2, 2003 12:01 a.m. EST
(Editor's note: This editorial appeared in The Wall Street Journal, June 10, 1981, three days after the Israeli air force destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor. One of the F-16 pilots who carried out the mission was Ilan Ramon. Col. Ramon was aboard the space shuttle Columbia; he died yesterday at 48.)
An atom bomb for Iraq, we have learned in the last 24 hours, has become the latest great cause célèbre of world opiniondom. Various governments, including our own, and a lot of pundits have been busily condemning Israel's raid on Iraq's nuclear reactor. Our own reaction is that it's nice to know that in Israel we have at least one nation left that still lives in the world of reality.
What is going on here: Iraq, awash in cheap crude oil, wants a big nuclear reactor. It rebuffs French suggestions to give up the original design and substitute one that does not need weapons-grade uranium. It has been buying raw uranium, which is not suitable for use in reactors, but dandy if you want to use the reactor to breed plutonium for weapons. Faced with this evidence, the conclusion of world opinion has been--everything's OK, Iraq has signed the nuclear nonproliferation treaty.
This kind of silliness has a mysterious power to blind most who man foreign ministries, think tanks and editorial sanctums. Of course Iraq was building a bomb. Of course its intended target was Israel. Of course, given the Iraqi reputation for political nuttiness reaffirmed again in its starting a war with Iran, its atom bomb would also have been a danger to all its neighbors. We all ought to get together and send the Israelis a vote of thanks.
Israel, which is assumed to have its own atom bomb but not to have conducted a test explosion, was not acting out of some abstract concern with nonproliferation. It was pursuing its own national interest, and in its timing also no doubt Prime Minister Begin's political interest in the impending elections. Its pre-emptive strike was strong medicine.
This would not have been necessary, though, if the reality that marked the Israeli decision had been present in the United States' nonproliferation policy this last decade or so. These efforts more or less went out the window when the U.S. refused to take sanctions against India's "peaceful nuclear device," exploded in violation of an agreement with the U.S. After this show of irresolution, the U.S. could hardly expect to persuade, say, the French to pass up sales to Iraq. Soon the whole nonproliferation question was lost in the fog of international negotiations.
To give the worriers about Israel their due, there is always reason to be concerned that any military act could prove to be the spark in the tinderbox of the Middle East. But we have been under the impression that the Middle East wasn't a very peaceful place even before last Sunday. People were being blown up on the beaches of Beirut and in the redoubts of western Iran. To judge the extent of the silliness, notice that among the governments objecting is Iran, locked in a war with Iraq. Is there any reason to doubt that there were sighs of relief in the Saudi palaces upon learning that Iraq won't have a bomb soon?
Being concerned about the peace of the Middle East does not make it necessary to be deceived about the necessary components for peace. Without a doubt, the ability of Israel and Egypt to come to terms has contributed mightily to that end, and President Carter's role in aiding that agreement was a major foreign policy achievement. But Lebanon has become a madhouse and the Soviet Union, through its surrogate, Syria, seems intent on keeping it that way to keep the Middle East pot boiling.
In such a situation it is not entirely implausible for the United Sates to send a shuttle diplomat to try to damp down the passions and seek out possibilities for a modus vivendi. But the best chances for peace, to the extent they exist, depend far more heavily on balance of power perceptions in the area itself.
The Israelis are not infallible, but their security for 33 years now has depended on making careful power judgments. They know that their best chances for avoiding bloodshed lie in frequently reminding their neighbors that they are strong and that their wishes are not to be taken lightly.
The Israeli approach to nonproliferation is limited and direct. But their outlook on the world and on what it takes to earn the world's respect offers a few lessons we ourselves could profitably learn.
Mourning the Bomb
Why Israel's fallen astronaut was a hero to America.
Sunday, February 2, 2003 12:01 a.m. EST
(Editor's note: This editorial appeared in The Wall Street Journal, June 10, 1981, three days after the Israeli air force destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor. One of the F-16 pilots who carried out the mission was Ilan Ramon. Col. Ramon was aboard the space shuttle Columbia; he died yesterday at 48.)
An atom bomb for Iraq, we have learned in the last 24 hours, has become the latest great cause célèbre of world opiniondom. Various governments, including our own, and a lot of pundits have been busily condemning Israel's raid on Iraq's nuclear reactor. Our own reaction is that it's nice to know that in Israel we have at least one nation left that still lives in the world of reality.
What is going on here: Iraq, awash in cheap crude oil, wants a big nuclear reactor. It rebuffs French suggestions to give up the original design and substitute one that does not need weapons-grade uranium. It has been buying raw uranium, which is not suitable for use in reactors, but dandy if you want to use the reactor to breed plutonium for weapons. Faced with this evidence, the conclusion of world opinion has been--everything's OK, Iraq has signed the nuclear nonproliferation treaty.
This kind of silliness has a mysterious power to blind most who man foreign ministries, think tanks and editorial sanctums. Of course Iraq was building a bomb. Of course its intended target was Israel. Of course, given the Iraqi reputation for political nuttiness reaffirmed again in its starting a war with Iran, its atom bomb would also have been a danger to all its neighbors. We all ought to get together and send the Israelis a vote of thanks.
Israel, which is assumed to have its own atom bomb but not to have conducted a test explosion, was not acting out of some abstract concern with nonproliferation. It was pursuing its own national interest, and in its timing also no doubt Prime Minister Begin's political interest in the impending elections. Its pre-emptive strike was strong medicine.
This would not have been necessary, though, if the reality that marked the Israeli decision had been present in the United States' nonproliferation policy this last decade or so. These efforts more or less went out the window when the U.S. refused to take sanctions against India's "peaceful nuclear device," exploded in violation of an agreement with the U.S. After this show of irresolution, the U.S. could hardly expect to persuade, say, the French to pass up sales to Iraq. Soon the whole nonproliferation question was lost in the fog of international negotiations.
To give the worriers about Israel their due, there is always reason to be concerned that any military act could prove to be the spark in the tinderbox of the Middle East. But we have been under the impression that the Middle East wasn't a very peaceful place even before last Sunday. People were being blown up on the beaches of Beirut and in the redoubts of western Iran. To judge the extent of the silliness, notice that among the governments objecting is Iran, locked in a war with Iraq. Is there any reason to doubt that there were sighs of relief in the Saudi palaces upon learning that Iraq won't have a bomb soon?
Being concerned about the peace of the Middle East does not make it necessary to be deceived about the necessary components for peace. Without a doubt, the ability of Israel and Egypt to come to terms has contributed mightily to that end, and President Carter's role in aiding that agreement was a major foreign policy achievement. But Lebanon has become a madhouse and the Soviet Union, through its surrogate, Syria, seems intent on keeping it that way to keep the Middle East pot boiling.
In such a situation it is not entirely implausible for the United Sates to send a shuttle diplomat to try to damp down the passions and seek out possibilities for a modus vivendi. But the best chances for peace, to the extent they exist, depend far more heavily on balance of power perceptions in the area itself.
The Israelis are not infallible, but their security for 33 years now has depended on making careful power judgments. They know that their best chances for avoiding bloodshed lie in frequently reminding their neighbors that they are strong and that their wishes are not to be taken lightly.
The Israeli approach to nonproliferation is limited and direct. But their outlook on the world and on what it takes to earn the world's respect offers a few lessons we ourselves could profitably learn.
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And of course the reactor built in Iraq
As built by FRANCE!
As built by FRANCE!
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And after his so called bravery?
Who kept supplying Iraq with weapons that could strike at Israel?
Who helped Saddam again?
Sad that the jew won't get see his fellow countrymen coughing and spluttering from the affects of chemical weapons used against them the moment the US invades.
Seems his flight was for nothing in the end.
And after his so called bravery?
Who kept supplying Iraq with weapons that could strike at Israel?
Who helped Saddam again?
Sad that the jew won't get see his fellow countrymen coughing and spluttering from the affects of chemical weapons used against them the moment the US invades.
Seems his flight was for nothing in the end.
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"Long before Colonel Ilan Ramon flew into space on the ill-fated Columbia space shuttle that broke up over Texas on Saturday, he was the youngest pilot (27 at the time) to take part in the June 17, 1981 Israeli air strike on the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq.
He was chosen for the Iraqi mission despite the fact that he had no operational combat experience. Ramon had begun his military service in 1972, but was still in pilot training during the 1973 Yom Kippur War.
"Ilan was only a captain, but we knew he was the right choice for the job," Major General Amos Yadlin, a veteran of the mission, told Reuters yesterday. "He was cool-headed, modest, sort of a humble hero - not like most macho top-gun flyers."
The eight F-16 fighter jets struck towards evening, dropping one-ton bombs on the reactor. Ramon was in charge of choosing the path of attack, navigating and planning fuel consumption for the four-hour round trip over hostile territory.
"There was no option for refuelling in mid-flight," Yadlin said. "Logistically, he achieved what was thought impossible."
According to Yadlin, Ramon volunteered to bring up the vulnerable rear in the formation. "It was simple for Ilan. He said, `I'm not married, I don't have kids, why not?'" Ramon later became a father of four.
Yadlin recalled that while preparing for the Iraqi mission, Ramon noted that his parents were Holocaust survivors. "If I can prevent a second Holocaust, I'm ready to sacrifice my life for this," Yadlin quotes Ramon as saying then.
These were not empty words, Yadlin emphasized. "Our assessment while preparing for the attack was that one or two of the planes would be hit. We were truly worried when we took off."
Yadlin said that Ramon was one of three candidates to become Israel's first astronaut, but the choice was unanimous. When asked why Colonel Ramon did not move up to the top ranks of the air force, Yadlin responded: "Ilan is too nice to become a general. To reach this, you need to be pushy."
1981 interview
Israel had never officially confirmed that Ramon had flown in the Iraqi mission, but last night Channel 10 screened an interview taken with Ramon shortly after the 1981 bombing of the Osirik reactor.
In the 21-year-old interview, the TV camera captures a youthful Ramon with curly brown hair, sitting in the cockpit of an F-16 fighter plane and dressed in a pilot's jumpsuit, unzipped in front of his chest, calmly answering questions from TV reporter Menashe Raz.
Some of his words applied prophetically to the ill-fated Columbia mission. "In the field there are so many different things that can go wrong, that you have no way of knowing what will happen," he said about the dangers of flying combat missions."
He recalled that there was intense competition to join the mission, because all the pilots wanted to fly. "It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity," he said.
"You ask yourself why you're prepared to die, and in the end, (it's because) you're trained at one point to give back everything you've been trained for."
Describing the Iraqi mission, he said that as the pilot of the last plane, he was flying into smoke already rising from the reactor when he released his bombs.
"We expected that," he said. "After I pulled out, we heard a huge explosion in the reactor, We didn't see anything collapsing, but we knew we had scored a good hit."
He said that the mission was canceled once, and he began wondering if it would be carried out. Then the order to take to the air was given. "After your first rush of excitement at the beginning, you get used to it," he said "It's not so dangerous until you get to the target."
The flight to Iraq was uneventful, but he knew that as the last plane in line, his was the most likely to draw Iraqi fire. In the end, it was over in a heartbeat.
"Things happened faster than I expected," he said, denying that there were any moments of uncertainty. "You don't think about anything but carrying out (the mission)," he said. "
Does this fuckwit ever stop talking poo poo?
Fecker.
He was chosen for the Iraqi mission despite the fact that he had no operational combat experience. Ramon had begun his military service in 1972, but was still in pilot training during the 1973 Yom Kippur War.
"Ilan was only a captain, but we knew he was the right choice for the job," Major General Amos Yadlin, a veteran of the mission, told Reuters yesterday. "He was cool-headed, modest, sort of a humble hero - not like most macho top-gun flyers."
The eight F-16 fighter jets struck towards evening, dropping one-ton bombs on the reactor. Ramon was in charge of choosing the path of attack, navigating and planning fuel consumption for the four-hour round trip over hostile territory.
"There was no option for refuelling in mid-flight," Yadlin said. "Logistically, he achieved what was thought impossible."
According to Yadlin, Ramon volunteered to bring up the vulnerable rear in the formation. "It was simple for Ilan. He said, `I'm not married, I don't have kids, why not?'" Ramon later became a father of four.
Yadlin recalled that while preparing for the Iraqi mission, Ramon noted that his parents were Holocaust survivors. "If I can prevent a second Holocaust, I'm ready to sacrifice my life for this," Yadlin quotes Ramon as saying then.
These were not empty words, Yadlin emphasized. "Our assessment while preparing for the attack was that one or two of the planes would be hit. We were truly worried when we took off."
Yadlin said that Ramon was one of three candidates to become Israel's first astronaut, but the choice was unanimous. When asked why Colonel Ramon did not move up to the top ranks of the air force, Yadlin responded: "Ilan is too nice to become a general. To reach this, you need to be pushy."
1981 interview
Israel had never officially confirmed that Ramon had flown in the Iraqi mission, but last night Channel 10 screened an interview taken with Ramon shortly after the 1981 bombing of the Osirik reactor.
In the 21-year-old interview, the TV camera captures a youthful Ramon with curly brown hair, sitting in the cockpit of an F-16 fighter plane and dressed in a pilot's jumpsuit, unzipped in front of his chest, calmly answering questions from TV reporter Menashe Raz.
Some of his words applied prophetically to the ill-fated Columbia mission. "In the field there are so many different things that can go wrong, that you have no way of knowing what will happen," he said about the dangers of flying combat missions."
He recalled that there was intense competition to join the mission, because all the pilots wanted to fly. "It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity," he said.
"You ask yourself why you're prepared to die, and in the end, (it's because) you're trained at one point to give back everything you've been trained for."
Describing the Iraqi mission, he said that as the pilot of the last plane, he was flying into smoke already rising from the reactor when he released his bombs.
"We expected that," he said. "After I pulled out, we heard a huge explosion in the reactor, We didn't see anything collapsing, but we knew we had scored a good hit."
He said that the mission was canceled once, and he began wondering if it would be carried out. Then the order to take to the air was given. "After your first rush of excitement at the beginning, you get used to it," he said "It's not so dangerous until you get to the target."
The flight to Iraq was uneventful, but he knew that as the last plane in line, his was the most likely to draw Iraqi fire. In the end, it was over in a heartbeat.
"Things happened faster than I expected," he said, denying that there were any moments of uncertainty. "You don't think about anything but carrying out (the mission)," he said. "
Does this fuckwit ever stop talking poo poo?
Fecker.
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