If you're an American boomer, chances are all the American presidents from during your lifetime were war criminals
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Truman was not a war criminal. The decision to drop the atomic bombs was sound. By that point Japanese civilians of both sexes were drilling as a militia for a last-ditch defense of the Home Islands and, since there were not enough rifles to go around, they were drilling with bamboo spears. An Allied ground invasion would have flooded the gutters of every town in Japan with Japanese blood. The body count from the atomic bombing was trivial by comparison, gave the Japanese an honorable excuse to surrender, and brought a neat end to the whole conflict. And I've never heard of the U.S. being accused of any war crimes in Korea.
I've never heard Eisenhower called a war criminal. He was politically responsible for the Vietnam War in that he refused to allow the all-Vietnam elections provided for by the Geneva Accords, which Ho Chi Min's party certainly would have won; but no Americans committed any war crimes there under his watch.
Kennedy and Johnson are more complicated judgments.
I've never heard Eisenhower called a war criminal. He was politically responsible for the Vietnam War in that he refused to allow the all-Vietnam elections provided for by the Geneva Accords, which Ho Chi Min's party certainly would have won; but no Americans committed any war crimes there under his watch.
Kennedy and Johnson are more complicated judgments.
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I do not believe that Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, or Joe Biden violated international law.
Truman -- Eisenhower -- Kennedy and Johnson
I think that most of us (and not just me a non-American) don't know as much about them, as we do about the Bush-Bush-Clinton-Obama-Trump-Biden five horses of sociopathic doom.
But the ones you mentioned ARE just as, if not more relevant due to their involvement in similar major wars.
I'd be keen on hearing more.
BTW
I didn't come up with the thread idea, Jimmy Dore did:
Every President in my life has been a war criminal. We only impeach presidents cuz of politics not rule of law. That’s why it took so long for democrats to start impeachment, they had to find a crime they weren’t also complicit in.
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Criminal Presidents are "a Protected Minority"!
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Quote: "Why were we involved in so many wars like Iraq, Syria ? Because of Money.
Why didn't we have Healthcare in the midst of a Pandemic? Because of Greed.
Why do we have the most incarcerated per-profit prison system in the World? Because of Money."
What was refreshing about his rant was his lack of political partisanship, he trashed both Leftist and Right-list presidents equally. Consequently and hilariously, both Fox news and youtube censored the same segment.
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I won't engage with Rightiists/Leftists like icanQ1 or 1ll74 etc etc because my blood will go up.
They give a lot less about Ukrainians killed, than about scoring political points or God forbid their shares and bonds and investments go down.
They give a lot less about Ukrainians killed, than about scoring political points or God forbid their shares and bonds and investments go down.
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He's not a boomer. He's my age. A boomer will have had a shit ton of presidents in their life and at least a few weren't war criminals.
Its a really dumb premise.
Its a really dumb premise.
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Not really. Most of them presided over Vietnam...
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Right. The first boomers were born in '46, during the Eisenhauer days. They've had 13 presidents. So the thread-starter is saying that the following people are war criminals:
Eisenhauer
Kennedy
Johnson
Nixon
Ford
Carter
Reagan
Bush I
Clinton
Bush II
Obama
Trump
Biden
A couple of questions for mayfly:
Why are Americans living overseas excused?
Please define what you mean by war criminal. No doubt, many unsavory (disgusting) activities occurred in warlike settings during all those years, but the charge of "war criminal" is for very specific, very personal actions. And it applies to a person, not just a policy that results in a war crime that happens secondarily while that policy is being executed. In other words, you have to drive it back to the intent of the person (president) you're talking about. I doubt we can do that with most (if any) of those men listed.
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Jesus fuck sigh...
It's "hower."
You need to stop inferring that other people are stupid...
It's "hower."
You need to stop inferring that other people are stupid...
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What are you talking about?
hey you fat superior fuck
your military-industrial complex made BILLIONS out of each war you were involved in.
and is continuing to make your fat ass rich out of the Ukraine carnage.
Explain that.
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As Americans, we have the ability to vote for candidates who work towards policies we agree with. We do not directly dictate those policies nor do we have the ability to reverse course in an instant. We work, over time to lobby for change.
Saying that I support the killing of people because defensive or offensive weapons are used to kill people is just pathetic.
As an autocratic dictator, Putin has direct control over his invasion.and he alone can end the current conflict. Any other way to stop the war, involves a much broader context and many more dead people.
Saying that I support the killing of people because defensive or offensive weapons are used to kill people is just pathetic.
As an autocratic dictator, Putin has direct control over his invasion.and he alone can end the current conflict. Any other way to stop the war, involves a much broader context and many more dead people.
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We were too busy killing each other so the white man kinda snuck up on us.
No, you cannot have any. This candy is just for looking through...
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Says the idiot who just jumped on straw-conservatives in another thread.
Maybe you should walk off that fist cup of coffee before you hit the keyboard.
sigh always irritated me.
She leads with the "I'm a doctor or whatever, so I tend to write based on facts and logic", the implicit message being "I'm more intelligent and cultured than most of you."
She might be brilliant in her job, but her political posts are far more mediocre than 90% of our posters.
Ishtat is a bit like that too, in your face demanding extra respect &special treatment,
but he doesn't irk me because every time he posts, he writes something informative & thought-provoking.
Anyway. That's minor & not why I'm hitting the walls.
The way the Anglo press is treating Ukraine is no different than they treated Aphghanistan, Iraq, Syria and so on.
Same platitudes and cheap tears, no major self-reflection or changing policies brought by when one of your own is being attacked.
We're just oggs and baboos to them.
And the "economic sanctions?" I keep thinking Naomi Klein.
The way the Anglo press is treating Ukraine is no different than they treated Aphghanistan, Iraq, Syria and so on.
Same platitudes and cheap tears, no major self-reflection or changing policies brought by when one of your own is being attacked.
We're just oggs and baboos to them.
And the "economic sanctions?" I keep thinking Naomi Klein.
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To governments, human life is nothing more than something to be expended in the pursuit of power.
That doesn't automatically make the expenditure a "war crime." Nor does "war crime" get to be redefined by changing circumstances and beliefs at some nebulous point in the future.
Good point, and it's probably what the writers of your Constitution had in mind too.
But I don't think they had in mind the reverse either: exchange psychopathic governments for croney corporations.
We need a psychopathy screening test.
When anyone applies to be either a politician, or a large shareholder or CEO: do the scan and if it lights up blue, he's out.
The exact system -socialist capitalist whatever- doesn't really matter; the problem is that they all end up being hijacked by psychopaths.
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If you just said every president who has engaged in foreign relations has done some dirty shit to that country, you'd be closer to the truth.
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But then he can't blame us for supporting it.
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