If onlt the public were armed!

[Sean]

Then mass shootings wouldn't happen!

All nine people injured in Friday's Empire State Building shooting were hurt as a result of police fire, New York's police chief has confirmed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19380492

 

[hobbit.]

Then mass shootings wouldn't happen!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19380492

the pooftah parade i watched, for research, this afternoon would have been shorter.

GMP hve a gay section FFS! they also have an 'overtly racist section' but they are not allowed to join public events!

 

[Sean]

None of our resident wingnuts willing to rush in and tell us it's because NY has strict gun laws that nine people got shot?

 

[pink]

Holy crap.

 

[cjh]

They probably had not taken the NRA gun safety classes.

 

[killallhippies]

hey, if those people had had guns they could've shot the shrapnel out the air before it hurt anyone.

 

[Disgustipated]

They probably had not taken the NRA gun safety classes.

Wait.. is that more government regulation or less?

 

[Sean]

Holy crap.

They probably had not taken the NRA gun safety classes.

You people are obviously communist for not thinking that the general public, armed to the teeth, would do better than trained people in a gunfight!

 

[BotanyBoy]

None of our resident wingnuts willing to rush in and tell us it's because NY has strict gun laws that nine people got shot?

No sean, we just like to point out how amazingly effective all the gun control has been so far.

 

[Sean]

No sean, we just like to point out how amazingly effective all the gun control has been so far.

So you think people with firearms training are less effective than those without it?

 

[blobfish]

Arguing with a narrow minded European about gun control is like arguing with a panda about the merits of bamboo.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So you think people with firearms training are less effective than those without it?

How did you come to that conclusion sean? I was touting the victories of gun control and how it reduces not only crime but prevents mass shootings and any other crimes involving guns. That's why I hang a gun free zone sign on my front door, because it works.

 

[Sean]

How did you come to that conclusion sean? I was touting the victories of gun control and how it reduces not only crime but prevents mass shootings and any other crimes involving guns. That's why I hang a gun free zone sign on my front door, because it works.

How many mass shootings in the UK compared to the US?

(and I saw your edit.)

 

[BotanyBoy]

How many mass shootings in the UK compared to the US?

(and I saw your edit.)

What's that got to do with how well gun control works....? Come on sean, let's see some rocking data that show us how effective gun control is.

And how many shootings there are vs the US doesn't count. There are way to many variables...you could easily say Japan(no guns) or Switzerland (super armed population) neither of which have hardly any crime are due to either lack of or abundance of weaponry.

I want to see some hard data (not speculation and theory crafting) that gun control/ban's would work to reduce violent crime in the US, because everything so far has sucked fucking ass. If you can prove to me that I would in fact be safer without my guns I will sell them.

 

[Sean]

What's that got to do with how well gun control works....? Come on sean, let's see some rocking data that show us how effective gun control is.

And how many shootings there are vs the US doesn't count. There are way to many variables...you could easily say Japan(no guns) or Switzerland (super armed population) neither of which have hardly any crime.

I want to see some hard data (not speculation and theory crafting) that gun control/ban's would work to reduce violent crime in the US, because everything so far has sucked fucking ass. If you can prove to me that I would in fact be safer without my guns I will sell them.

Would it work in the US? I doubt it, you're all nuts. My point in the thread, though, was a direct refutation to all those that claimed an armed populous would mitigate against loonies that decided on going nova. Their argument is that Joe Public, packing his 9, would take the guy down toot fucking sweet. Umpteen trained officers did take the guy down. And shot nine innocent bystanders in the process.

 

[HAL_9000]

Yes.

Trust the authorities, always.

They are trained, after all.

And everywhere, all the time.

 

[QueenLevitra]

I've a ccw.

A good eye too.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Would it work in the US? I doubt it, you're all nuts. My point in the thread, though, was a direct refutation to all those that claimed an armed populous would mitigate against loonies that decided on going nova.

Yet you offer nothing to support your 'direct refutation' other than the choice incidents that worked out in favor of your buuuuuushit argument? Plenty of crimes are halted each year due to an armed citizen defending them selves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJB3vNKAOfA

Here is another...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AA_dgRdDhk

On and on and on thousands of times a year. My very own cousin, stopped her rapist with 6 .45ACP slugs to his chest and she saved that tax payer a pretty penny in the process.

Their argument is that Joe Public, packing his 9, would take the guy down toot fucking sweet. Umpteen trained officers did take the guy down. And shot nine innocent bystanders in the process.

1) Joe public is usually better trained than your average cop, and there are more better trained Joe Public's than their are cops.

2) sometimes Joe Public does take the guy down toot fucking sweet (situations like the ones in the vids above and thousands of others like them each year) but not every situation works out that way. It winds up on the news and the QQ from left is all over the news media "Oh guns killed 8,000 people this year woooo!!" Really? Grow the fuck up people....bad drivers on the phone kill far far more...McDonald's is a larger public threat. Bigger fish to fry my friend, bigger fish.

3) Cops are people too...combat and chaos are synonymous with each other and quite often thing's don't go perfectly by the book and people get fucked up. Nothing will ever, ever, ever, ever change that.

 

[Sean]

Yet you offer nothing to support your 'direct refutation' other than the choice incidents that worked out in favor of your buuuuuushit argument? Plenty of crimes are halted each year due to an armed citizen defending them selves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJB3vNKAOfA

Here is another...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AA_dgRdDhk

On and on and on thousands of times a year. My very own cousin, stopped her rapist with 6 .45ACP slugs to his chest and she saved that tax payer a pretty penny in the process.



1) Joe public is usually better trained than your average cop, and there are more better trained Joe Public's than their are cops.

2) sometimes Joe Public does take the guy down toot fucking sweet (situations like the ones in the vids above and thousands of others like them each year) but not every situation works out that way. It winds up on the news and the QQ from left is all over the news media "Oh guns killed 8,000 people this year woooo!!" Really? Grow the fuck up people....bad drivers on the phone kill far far more...McDonald's is a larger public threat. Bigger fish to fry my friend, bigger fish.

3) Cops are people too...combat and chaos are synonymous with each other and quite often thing's don't go perfectly by the book and people get fucked up. Nothing will ever, ever, ever, ever change that.

You've been in combat. In urban situations. Ever seen anyone fuck up?

 

[Sean]

1) Joe public is usually better trained than your average cop, and there are more better trained Joe Public's than their are cops.

.

This is pure bollocks, btw.

 

[QueenLevitra]

This is pure bollocks, btw.

No.

He's right.

Lots of hunting going on here.

Always has.

NYC has nothing on the bread belt.

 

[Sean]

No.

He's right.

Lots of hunting going on here.

Always has.

NYC has nothing on the bread belt.

Yeah, last time I walked down 5th ave I saw a shitload of people lying prone with their rifles waiting for a crazy.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You've been in combat. In urban situations. Ever seen anyone fuck up?

Yea...shit happens, freak ricochet's, dumb ass civilians running into lines of fire etc. it happens quite frequently when shit goes south, even to the best trained people on earth.

This is pure bollocks, btw.

Really? Is that why the overwhelming majority of people I see at the range taking class's, training week after week honing their skills are civilians and not cops?

I have trained SWAT teams the US over on how to do their jobs, the cops do have some great shooters no doubt. But civilians have them outnumbered all day long, and many of them are just as good if not better. You keep with this Badge = trained gun fighter and that's what is pure bollocks, silly even. Just because I put on a jersey and bounce a ball doesn't mean I'm an NBA all star.

 

[Sean]

Yea...shit happens, freak ricochet's, dumb ass civilians running into lines of fire etc. it happens quite frequently when shit goes south, even to the best trained people on earth.



Really? Is that why the overwhelming majority of people I see at the range taking class's, training week after week honing their skills are civilians and not cops?

I have trained SWAT teams the US over on how to do their jobs, the cops do have some great shooters no doubt. But civilians have them outnumbered all day long, and many of them are just as good if not better. You keep with this Badge = trained gun fighter and that's what is pure bollocks, silly even. Just because I put on a jersey and bounce a ball doesn't mean I'm an NBA all star.

And how many of those civilians you trained have ever shot at at someone that was shooting back?

I was only ever under live fire in a city once, Belfast. Full platoon and we didn't have a fucking clue where the shots were coming from. This was the middle of the night when the street was empty.

 

[HAL_9000]

Cops are required to train with firearms constantly.

The average citizen isn't.

Regardless, cops simply cannot be everywhere, all the time.