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Pure said:I basically agree with sunfox, with one exception. Further, Phoenix is correct also: the woman's history of 'giving it away', (promiscuity, so called) or even prostitution is not relevant.
We don't know the facts, here, but IF
The woman says "Do me, do me" until intercourse begins, then "Stop, stop" in the midst of it, the waters have become muddied.
Since this has actually occurred in r.l. , one can say "The gentleman will stop."
Which leaves open the question, does he become a criminal if he doesn't?
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Another point NOT relevant to Kobe, but perhaps to this forum.
Suppose she has made a prior agreement with him: "He is to take me agressively, ignoring any pleas to stop."
Anna Sue said:
Let's face the brutal truth. Unless an affidavit stating such signed and notarized by witnesses exists, the vanilla world, with the right motivation, can make such an act into anything they wish. i can imagine having such a document created. Brings all kinds of "the state in the bedroom of two consenting adults" issues to mind.Pure said:Another point NOT relevant to Kobe, but perhaps to this forum.
Suppose she has made a prior agreement with him: "He is to take me agressively, ignoring any pleas to stop."
Hey Bob, your hospital index needs work.SliNgSh0t said:I apologize - didn't consider the forum. I have to plead ignorance now - did she break the rules or are there any rules in BDSM? She's performing the sado-masochistic ritual on her own-she said no to the almighty Kobe Bryant. Oh, sorry for keeping my IRC moniker. I don't know what I'm more ashamed of: the silly way I spell a made up name, or the fact I've never had sex with a family member or farm animal. I can play rough sex with the best of them but, question: if I'm Kobe Bryant, and I can't turn back because I'm about to "muddy the waters", why would she pick that time to start pleading no? Because you're doing her up so good she doesn't know what she saying? I'll stick to consensual perversions and you can pick on my spelling and change the literal meaning of universal words. But I do apologize to the forum, that certainly changes everything...LOL
SliNgSh0t said:I apologize - didn't consider the forum. I have to plead ignorance now - did she break the rules or are there any rules in BDSM? She's performing the sado-masochistic ritual on her own-she said no to the almighty Kobe Bryant. Oh, sorry for keeping my IRC moniker. I don't know what I'm more ashamed of: the silly way I spell a made up name, or the fact I've never had sex with a family member or farm animal. I can play rough sex with the best of them but, question: if I'm Kobe Bryant, and I can't turn back because I'm about to "muddy the waters", why would she pick that time to start pleading no? Because you're doing her up so good she doesn't know what she saying? I'll stick to consensual perversions and you can pick on my spelling and change the literal meaning of universal words. But I do apologize to the forum, that certainly changes everything...LOL
Fine, and I hope this literal, conventional, non-apologetic request comes through loud and clear.SliNgSh0t said:I'll stick to consensual perversions and you can pick on my spelling and change the literal meaning of universal words. But I do apologize to the forum, that certainly changes everything...LOL
SliNgSh0t said:If you begged me to spare your life, and then I killed you, would I be guilty of murder? Does that help you at all? you're a dumbshit or a Laker fan, which is basically the same thing.
Phoenix Stone said:And yes, Slingshot there are rules, truly more so than in vanilla sex it seems, for self-protection if no higher motive. For farm animals and incest you will have to go to a different forum. Try the General Board. You may be more comfortable there.
Pure said:etoile said, (note to phoenix)
Outside of a BDSM context, no means no.
very odd statement. hope you're friends with the DA. nonconsent is nonconsent. often conveyed by 'no.' even among folks at literotica and bdsm forums.