Idiots!

[icanhelp1]

The flu vaccine is 60-80% effective. The numbers he cited are WITH the vaccine being available. You cannot know that those that die in large numbers of influenza all refused vaccination. Since 20-40% of the Covid19 victims would have simply died of influenza if exposed (even with 100% vaccination) his point stands.

. . .and that doesn't even address the influenza deaths this season being attributed to Covid 19 "just to be safe "

We do nothing at all but try to avoid visiting vulnerable people when sick to try to mitigate those statistically certain yearly deaths. We do not insist that apparently healthy people wear (ineffective) masks around other apparently healthy people, "just in case."

We do not ask people to limit their travel to government approved "essential" trips to mitigate the possibility that you may be involved in an automobile accident where you or someone else may be injured or killed.

We do not even restrict the liberty of persons who are already wards of the State for their medical care to purchase any amount of illness-inducing dietary choices with their government-paid food programs.

We have decriminalized the willful act of exposing others to communicable diseases.

We do not require that people who have life threatening diseases make others aware of it or submit to quarantines.

We are quarantining healthy people when we know exactly who is, and who is not at risk.

Every single person who.is at actual risk, should be in actual (not pretend) isolation until the 70-80% of population samples show antibodies and everyone else should be engaging in regular social congress because that is the fastest, and most effective way to deprive the virus of available hosts.

Like I wrote earlier, we should open everything up, should be no restrictions to movement at all. Being outside at a beach and keeping a cool head is good.

The only thing I do agree with is, that, till we know how to handle this disease a prudent measure is social distancing and in a publically confined space where people congregate wear a mask.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Cuomo just gave the rules for opening NY, by dividing it into 10 regions in recognition that upstate and the city are obviously vastly different populations:

Mr. Cuomo listed seven requirements each of the state’s 10 regions must meet before restrictions meant to slow the virus’s spread could be eased in those areas.

A 14-day decline in hospitalizations, or fewer than 15 a day.

A 14-day decline in virus-related hospital deaths, or fewer than five a day.

A steady rate of new hospitalizations below 2 per 100,000 residents a day.

A hospital-bed vacancy rate of at least 30 percent.

An availability rate for intensive care unit beds of at least 30 percent.

At least 30 virus tests per 1,000 residents conducted a month.

At least 30 working contact tracers per 100,000 residents.

 

[Hugh_Essay]

It's odd how consistently substantively deficient the the rotating cast of quarrelsome posters are. None of them display any real interest in or knowledge of the issues up for discussion that they wade in on.

They proudly proclaim membership with the "smart" team that has all the morally superior positions, that is well informed, and has carefully reasoned. None of their self characterizations are accurate, but their projections of their opponents purported shortcomings are dead on for them.

You could not invent a worse debate team, but yet they "win" each and every exchange when they usually have not even posited an argument, much less advanced one.

Where do they all come from? Who "trained" them? Who told them they their rhetorical style was effective or interesting?

Obviously, the Dunning-Kruger effect applies here as they clearly believe they are proficient in rhetorical debate and up to speed on the issues up for discussion, but they are all so oddly similar in how they approach any and all discussions. They must have someone modeling this style for them.

You think you know what you're babbling about? Lmao. You're an uber driving tranny with no education who thinks she knows it all.

 

[hobbit.]

You think you know what you're babbling about? Lmao. You're an uber driving tranny with no education who thinks she knows it all.

Please don't target con de aged. he/she is confused enough about its identity.

 

[Conager]

"Social distancing" is made up.

Being six feet away from a full viral load offers zero protection. Hugging a person with a low viral load (or none at all) poses zero risk.

We already know how airborne, respiratory viruses are transmitted. They are nasty and communicable but not magic. You have to breathe in a sufficient viral load. Someone has to expel a sufficient viral load in your presence for long enough to make that happen. This is not ricin.

That number of six feet was pulled from the air with no empirical data to back it up. It was decided to give some cover for the stay home order while making it still (not quite) possible to "safely" hand over cash or credit cards at business that our self-appointed intellectual superiors deem essential.

It's a fig jeaf.

The emperor has no mask.

The initial guidance against masks was correct. The updated guidance was another fig leaf to show they are thinking through this farce of isolation becuse we are doing no such thing.

Once they realized that society is not set up to have The Jetson's automation feed us, they had to pretend that there is a way to both leave the house and be quarantined. It is a simple binary choice. You are isolated, or you are not.

Either we are all walking through clouds of viruses in the supermarkets or we are not. It wouldn't be that hard to check. Yet no one's doing that. Why? We know why.

Why haven't people who worked in the airline industry before we knew there was a virus been completely decimated by it? Why aren't fast food workers, grocery store clerks and taxi drivers dropping like flies?

Sure there's a minor difference in the rates of disease transmission between having a few partners and being promiscuous but there's a world of difference between being promiscuous and being celibate.

 

[Rotadom]

Valid.

AOC graduated with honors in economics and cannot do basic arithmetic or understand even rudimentary statistics.

The thread title sure attracted them, didn't it?

Invalid deflection. Can't answer a direct question? One that isn't vague or impossibly hypothetical?

Ocasio-Cortez graduated cum laude from Boston University College of Arts and Sciences with a BA in 2011, majoring in international relations and economics.

You're nothing but an asshole on a blithering on a porn site.

Cross dressing 101.

Was he practicing for the Debutante Ball?

 

[Conager]

Please don't target con de aged. he/she is confused enough about its identity.

Lose an argument and you resort to this^?

"Its?" I'm more than secure enough to take some slings and arrows from a loser like yourself but you do realize there are people who are sensitive about such things right?

I've never been confused about my identity; you clearly are confused about what you stand for.

 

[Conager]

Cuomo just gave the rules for opening NY, by dividing it into 10 regions in recognition that upstate and the city are obviously vastly different populations:

Mr. Cuomo listed seven requirements each of the state’s 10 regions must meet before restrictions meant to slow the virus’s spread could be eased in those areas.

A 14-day decline in hospitalizations, or fewer than 15 a day.

A 14-day decline in virus-related hospital deaths, or fewer than five a day.

A steady rate of new hospitalizations below 2 per 100,000 residents a day.

A hospital-bed vacancy rate of at least 30 percent.

An availability rate for intensive care unit beds of at least 30 percent.

At least 30 virus tests per 1,000 residents conducted a month.

At least 30 working contact tracers per 100,000 residents.

The requirements for "declines" is a fig leaf to pretend that any of the shut down ever would have happened if we knew then what we know now about victimology, infection rates and death rates.

I would have a lot more respect if these tyrants would simply admit that they took the actions a did based on worst case scenario based on the best available information at the time and the unfortunately they were wrong.

They got to go through the charades to pretend that any of it made any difference at all and that any of it was necessary.

I don't begrudge decisions that they made when we didn't have sufficient information to make an informed decision and they chose to air to the side of caution. That was reasonable.

Pretending that it still is is just silly.

 

[hobbit.]

Lose an argument and you resort to this^?

"Its?" I'm more than secure enough to take some slings and arrows from a loser like yourself but you do realize there are people who are sensitive about such things right?

I've never been confused about my identity; you clearly are confused about what you stand for.

yet more deflection.

I never lost anything, you simply fucked off at a tangent and then deflected like the starship enterprise.

https://img.tineye.com/result/af38bc1ddf70cc01605d88db0b142dbac689997753a84f9435098ba86738d82e?size=160​

 

[hogjack]

uber driving tranny with no education who thinks she knows it all.

Tried to find this on the Uber app but not finding.

Contacted Uber about expanding driver search features.

 

[doowdniw]

I don't know if this whole mask debate is really worth the time. Personally, if the Mayo Clinic and the CDC think it's a good idea, "What have you got to lose?"

 

[sygn]

Hey, check out this article, I thought it was awesome!
It's mostly about things that people already know, but:

1. It explains clearly the difference between R0 and Rt.
Because many newspapers mistakenly refer to R0 instead of Rt.

2. The graph helps one visualize and simplify things in their head.




CHANGE IN RATE OF TRANSMISSION IN WUHAN, ASSOCIATED WITH REDUCING SOCIAL INTERACTION

"In early through mid-January 2020, the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic in Wuhan had an Rt of 3 to 4.
- That is a striking number: compare it to the Rt of 1.4 to 1.7 for influenza. Couple that with the fact that each new generation of SARS-CoV-2 cases occurs every 5 days, and it is clear to see how this epidemic was spreading out of control.

When lockdown measures were taken collectively in Wuhan,
- the Rt of the epidemic declined to below 1 within weeks. When an Rt decreases below 1 for a given disease in a given place, disease spread slows and the epidemic has the potential to be controlled in that area."
https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jama/0/m_jit200015f1.png?Expires=2147483647&Signature=p018hGf8iAupFQWuHzP7tRofkVhiT59TbrAn~vgoJIJK8LOyzKr9GxLOEau4YiCrzcGneW~o0JeIWFZVNOmTwoobbOHk04TktxD~xDjTl1gs7-CVOlZpFMhGu0lTd1-L1DQ-y-lugBvQMEvoezD4zW3Ln-EnaSrXimgyosI54jW1VYO~FI~SKBM0t-zG1h-AZmW66LspCpD2iEVSlzjYOJr0yV3qI5KRvCNqr5Nbt1Wx-BbuXRM~jmnBpRQwNhoF9pyttu2W7XoeMCb2jel4n42-8XCgxy6yKI~~z4Qf~6Pnqez5M0uzejvqSZpQtZ7-9JQTvwA8PmBE0hnq9vdwjQ__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2765665

 

[hogjack]

I hate wearing masks so I have stopped breathing in public. I can hold my breath for upwards of 4 hours. It's awkward because I can't talk when I hold my breath but I carry a small white board to communicate.

 

[Conager]

yet more deflection.

I never lost anything, you simply fucked off at a tangent and then deflected like the starship enterprise.

https://img.tineye.com/result/af38bc1ddf70cc01605d88db0b142dbac689997753a84f9435098ba86738d82e?size=160​

Speaking of deflection, that didn't sound the least bit contrite. I guess that tells me everything I'll ever need to know about you.

 

[Conager]

I hate wearing masks so I have stopped breathing in public. I can hold my breath for upwards of 4 hours. It's awkward because I can't talk when I hold my breath but I carry a small white board to communicate.

That seems easily as reasonable as any of the various approaches suggested and/or mandated.

 

[icanhelp1]

"Social distancing" is made up.

Social distancing is a suggestive term, it implies be aware of your surroundings and avoid or minimize unnecessary exposure. If your not around sick people you won't get sick.

Being six feet away from a full viral load offers zero protection. Hugging a person with a low viral load (or none at all) poses zero risk.

For the average lay person an explanation of viral load has no significance. Once the aggregate numbers are broken down we'll have a better understanding. People with TB wear a mask with considerable success.

We already know how airborne, respiratory viruses are transmitted. They are nasty and communicable but not magic. You have to breathe in a sufficient viral load. Someone has to expel a sufficient viral load in your presence for long enough to make that happen. This is not ricin.

That's my point, if a person with a viral load is wearing a mask it can restrict the amount of a pathogen released into the atmosphere, and if you're a good distance away and wearing an approved mask your odds decrease exponentially of contracting the virus. It's not foolproof but would you be safer with no measures at all.

That number of six feet was pulled from the air with no empirical data to back it up. It was decided to give some cover for the stay home order while making it still (not quite) possible to "safely" hand over cash or credit cards at business that our self-appointed intellectual superiors deem essential.

Lots of people that have been exposed got sick, 69,000 have perished and those numbers are significant and worthy of taking precautionary measures. Like you I don't believe mass quarantine is the answer either. Don't believe shutting the economy is either, just the opposite is true. I guess everyone is biding time for a vaccine or antivirals.

It's a fig jeaf.

Our politicians are reveling in power and the media is complicit. No doubt this pandemic was overreacted on. To focus strictly on NY as the norm sent shockwaves throughout the country. Just now starting to put 2 and 2 together but too late, over 3 trillion more in debt and climbing. China fucked us over.

The emperor has no mask.

The initial guidance against masks was correct. The updated guidance was another fig leaf to show they are thinking through this farce of isolation becuse we are doing no such thing.

I believe mask work, I guess we agree to disagree.

Once they realized that society is not set up to have The Jetson's automation feed us, they had to pretend that there is a way to both leave the house and be quarantined. It is a simple binary choice. You are isolated, or you are not.

This pathogen is extremely contagious, how viralant it is depends on what segment of the population is exposed.

Either we are all walking through clouds of viruses in the supermarkets or we are not. It wouldn't be that hard to check. Yet no one's doing that. Why? We know why.

We have inherent immunity to most viruses as well as documented vaccines

Why haven't people who worked in the airline industry before we knew there was a virus been completely decimated by it? Why aren't fast food workers, grocery store clerks and taxi drivers dropping like flies?

I guess we still don't know just how resilient younger people are to the virus, we have an idea, or what the actual numbers of infections really are. Maybe the airline industry is just loaded with the shit but were non-symptomatic. I guess you could use the USS Theodore Roosevelt as an example.

Sure there's a minor difference in the rates of disease transmission between having a few partners and being promiscuous but there's a world of difference between being promiscuous and being celibate.

No doubt we were sold a bill of goods and an overreaction took place. I live in MA, I CAN'T EVEN GO TO A CAR WASH ( STUPID )

 

[Bas_van_Fraassen]

Hey, check out this article, I thought it was awesome!
It's mostly about things that people already know, but:

1. It explains clearly the difference between R0 and Rt.
Because many newspapers mistakenly refer to R0 instead of Rt.

2. The graph helps one visualize and simplify things in their head.




CHANGE IN RATE OF TRANSMISSION IN WUHAN, ASSOCIATED WITH REDUCING SOCIAL INTERACTION

"In early through mid-January 2020, the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic in Wuhan had an Rt of 3 to 4.
- That is a striking number: compare it to the Rt of 1.4 to 1.7 for influenza. Couple that with the fact that each new generation of SARS-CoV-2 cases occurs every 5 days, and it is clear to see how this epidemic was spreading out of control.

When lockdown measures were taken collectively in Wuhan,
- the Rt of the epidemic declined to below 1 within weeks. When an Rt decreases below 1 for a given disease in a given place, disease spread slows and the epidemic has the potential to be controlled in that area."
https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jama/0/m_jit200015f1.png?Expires=2147483647&Signature=p018hGf8iAupFQWuHzP7tRofkVhiT59TbrAn~vgoJIJK8LOyzKr9GxLOEau4YiCrzcGneW~o0JeIWFZVNOmTwoobbOHk04TktxD~xDjTl1gs7-CVOlZpFMhGu0lTd1-L1DQ-y-lugBvQMEvoezD4zW3Ln-EnaSrXimgyosI54jW1VYO~FI~SKBM0t-zG1h-AZmW66LspCpD2iEVSlzjYOJr0yV3qI5KRvCNqr5Nbt1Wx-BbuXRM~jmnBpRQwNhoF9pyttu2W7XoeMCb2jel4n42-8XCgxy6yKI~~z4Qf~6Pnqez5M0uzejvqSZpQtZ7-9JQTvwA8PmBE0hnq9vdwjQ__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2765665

Indeed. Only the science-denying twerps like to claim social distancing is ineffective/not in evidence to reducing transmission rates.

 

[Rotadom]

Indeed. Only the science-denying twerps like to claim social distancing is ineffective/not in evidence to reducing transmission rates.

Which is a moot point because no one wants to be within 6ft. of those twerps anyway.

 

[Conager]

No doubt we were sold a bill of goods and an overreaction took place. I live in MA, I CAN'T EVEN GO TO A CAR WASH ( STUPID )

Mostly agree but anyone who needs a mask in to keep a couhh in shouldn't be out in public at all. If you're not coughing you don't need a mask.

Also I don't believe this virus is anywhere near as transmissible as advertised. We do have closed system such as a cruise ships and the USS Theodore to see what is the worst case you could possibly have for transmission and you still don't have anywhere near 6o-80 % that you would expect with a virus that was universally contagious.

It appears that lots of people are naturally immune and it appears that most people if they are exposed to it gets such a mild case that they if they have any symptoms at all they are so mild that the person doesn't even notice. This is one of the most gentle viruses that anyone is ever panicked about in the history of the world.

We also don't have any evidence that it is more contagious for old people it's just for old people who actually develop Covid 19, the disease not are exposed to, and infected with Sars_CoV2 which are not the same thing and have a comorbid conditions there likely to die.

The cruise ships were mostly old people not all of the old people developed Covid 19. You can pretty much assume that all of them were exposed, and should have been infected.

 

[phrodeau]

How interesting. What else does your gut tell you?

 

[Conager]

Speaking of Idiots!

 

[schism666]

How interesting. What else does your gut tell you?

it tells his fat ass to quit eating 7-11 hot dogs and roadside diner garbage and mix in some tums every once in a while.

 

[Klinkster]

Speaking of Idiots!

He is not smart enough to qualify as an idjut.

 

[phrodeau]

He is not smart enough to qualify as an idjut.

Hey, if you have more questions, maybe Conager’s pancreas can answer them.

 

[Conager]

It's certain that none of your organs would be of any help.