Idiots!

[SpeareChucker]

Fuck 'em.

If they're that much of a chicken shit, let them rot ALONE at home so the rest of us can get on with living.

I have to agree.

As I pointed out before,
I find the argument specious about how the Leftists here want to "save lives,"
when the fact is that given every opportunity afforded by their hate, they reveal
that it is their well-being being the sole root of their "concern for the lives of others..."

Look how quickly, and gleefully, they are when they think that
those outside of their political purview will get sick and die
because they don't hate Trump enough to defy him
(instead of relying of their "good" judgement...).

 

[icanhelp1]

Since this particular (probably lab-created) virus - and hundreds of other communicable viruses - will still be around in 2021, 2022, and 2023 why would mask requirements ever end? Will people's lives be less vulnerable in 2021?

This virus will be no less lethal to certain segments of the population in 2021 and beyond.

Should, by then, have vaccines and more effective antivirals. Everyone knows that this virus can be lethal to the more senior segment of our population especially those with underlying conditions.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Fuck 'em.

If they're that much of a chicken shit, let them rot ALONE at home so the rest of us can get on with living.

You live with cats. Just cats. Cats that will gladly eat your COVID infected face when you die from the virus.

 

[hogjack]

Should, by then, have vaccines and more effective antivirals. Everyone knows that this virus can be lethal to the more senior segment of our population especially those with underlying conditions.

Until there are confirmed vaccines, antivirals, and other techniques nothing changes. Date ranges are completely arbitrary.

 

[HisArpy]

You live with cats. Just cats. Cats that will gladly eat your COVID infected face when you die from the virus.

At least I have cats. Unlike some who live alone, in the dark, in the basement, without friends.

 

[HisArpy]

Until there are confirmed vaccines, antivirals, and other techniques nothing changes. Date ranges are completely arbitrary.

It also makes an assumption without facts. There is no guarantee that we will have a vaccine at any point.

 

[SpeareChucker]

It also makes an assumption without facts. There is no guarantee that we will have a vaccine at any point.

Certainly not as long a Trump is President!


He's an idiot! He wants you to mainline Drano™...

 

[sygn]

You are correct, I've been out there.

NO ONE I've come in contact with has become ill with the virus or any other illness.

Not.
One.
Person.

Ergo: I'm not sick, haven't been sick, and am not contagious or asymptomatic.

That is ACTUAL EVIDENCE of my having a clean bill of health. Yet according to some, I should be wearing a mask to be sure that I don't infect them.

You know why I keep picking on you?
Because whenever you talk about health sciences or medicine, you say the most jaw dropping things.

Fair enough, those aren't your specialty.
But you're so rigid.
Myriads of people have explained to you where you're going wrong.
But you have no inclination to read about it, to verify if they're right or not. Had you done that, you would have seen where you erred, and adapted your message. But no, you keep going with that anti-vaxxer shit; and you mock those who aren't!
So infuriating.

I can't put you on ignore to avoid seeing your covid posts,
because that would mean at least a year until the covid drama eases. And (other than on health related matters - jeeze) you write v. interesting posts.


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Well, I think were dealing with two issues...

A. ordering people to wear a mask
Wearing a mask outside in the fresh air is a waste of a commodity that is in short supply. Wearing a mask in a confined area dealing with people in close proximity is prudent at this stage of the pandemic.

B. the efficacy of masks in general.
If several people are in a room with you and you alone are wearing a mask you're in deep shit if you think a paper mask is going to protect you. It will, at best, give you very little protection, now on the other hand, if you're in a room and everyone is wearing a mask then the level of protection rises exponentially.

The virus is a threat but it can be dealt with in a rational manner.
They closed down car washes in my state, if the attendant wears a mask and I, while paying the attendant, wear a mask why do you shut down a car wash? PURE STUPIDITY.

How effective is a mask, that only filtered out 15% of .3 um particles, going to be with someone exhaling Particles as small as .12 um?

The tests they did, are the standard NIOSH respirator test, which is for .3 um particles, not .125 um particles.

Not obsessing, but I would like masks tested. All types.
Besides the potential lack of effectiveness of them, some mayors and governors have made edicts, and people are being arrested for not wearing one.

I root for more like these from the Right, because they challenge your thinking.

Not the "covid is no big deal" /"doctors are making up deaths so they get reimbursed", "and all sorts of moronic shit.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Not the "covid is no big deal" /"doctors are making up deaths so they get reimbursed", "and all sorts of moronic shit.

Yeah.

The SARS-CoV-2 virus abrogates basic human nature...

 

[sygn]

Not the "covid is no big deal" /"doctors are making up deaths so they get reimbursed", "and all sorts of moronic shit.

Yeah.

The SARS-CoV-2 virus abrogates basic human nature...

Well, some of them might be inflating numbers, who knows...
But there's a huge leap from that, to minimizing the severity of the virus in such astounding ways.

It's highly infectious, you also get it from people who seem perfectly healthy, and almost half of those who are admitted to hospital end up in the morgue.

More R -leaning folks should brainstorm around ways to work around it, like Klinkster and icanhelp did.
Instead of constantly bombarding us with how they are so clever and know better than those stupid virologists, doctors and epidemiologists.

 

[SpeareChucker]

No, when you close down all of your profit centers
to prepare for that which the politicians have panicked the populace over,
then when the same fucking group of collective illiterates start throwing money
at their problem of the day, it is your patriotic duty to step up and try to cover your losses...


The money is going to get spent come hell or high water.
We're talking about politicians being given free reign here
and their basic instinct is always to rain free money...

It buys votes.
Votes buy power.
Power absolutely corrupts...

 

[sygn]

Well, you're making a point there, because you're attacking managers, not scientists and health professionals.

And:
It would have been so much better and cheaper if we all worked, with obligatory wear on N95's/P2's at our workplace.

Now we're going back with far less effective disposable surgical masks. And so expensive to buy a hundred a month! People will start re-using them to save money.

How hard would it be for governments to procure that melted propylene shit that makes N95's so effective, and then enlist the help of local manufacturers?

 

[icanhelp1]

Until there are confirmed vaccines, antivirals, and other techniques nothing changes. Date ranges are completely arbitrary.

You can expand to every virus and bacteria known to man that's not my point. I did say 'should' which doesn't mean 'will' or 'have' and until they have them, you're right, nothing changes.

My assumptions are based on what info is available for public consumption. The only fact that I base my assumption on is the intense research that is being done, it's historic in nature.


Some positive news:

UPMC and University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Scientists Announce Potential Vaccine
Scientists at UPMC and the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine have announced a potential vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, the new coronavirus causing the COVID-19 pandemic.

When tested in mice, the vaccine produces antibodies specific to SARS-CoV-2 at quantities thought to be enough to neutralize the virus.

The vaccine is delivered through a fingertip-sized skin patch. The research team calls this vaccine PittCoVacc, short for Pittsburgh Coronavirus Vaccine.

A paper on the vaccine appeared April 2 in EBioMedicine, which is published by The Lancet. It is the first study on a potential COVID-19 vaccine to be published after a critique from fellow scientists at outside institutions.

UPMC and University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine researchers were able to act quickly because they laid the groundwork during earlier coronavirus epidemics.

Scientists also use a new approach to deliver the drug, called a microneedle array, to increase potency. This array is a fingertip-sized patch of 400 tiny needles that deliver spike protein pieces into the skin, where the immune reaction is the strongest.

The patch goes on like a Band-Aid, and the needles, which are made entirely of sugar and protein pieces, simply dissolve into the skin.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/remde...uraging-but-too-early-to-celebrate-local-ceo/

Remdesivir results for virus encouraging but too early to celebrate — local CEO
FDA last week gave emergency approval to medicine produced by Gilead Sciences; it is believed to shorten illness time in some, but effect on mortality rates still unclear

 

[SpeareChucker]

Well, you're making a point there, because you're attacking managers, not scientists and health professionals.

And:
It would have been so much better and cheaper if we all worked, with obligatory wear on N95's/P2's at our workplace.

Now we're going back with far less effective disposable surgical masks. And so expensive to buy a hundred a month! People will start re-using them to save money.

How hard would it be for governments to procure that melted propylene shit that makes N95's so effective, and then enlist the help of local manufacturers?

Just nod your head and tell me I'm right.

 

[HisArpy]

You know why I keep picking on you?
Because whenever you talk about health sciences or medicine, you say the most jaw dropping things.

Fair enough, those aren't your specialty.
But you're so rigid.
Myriads of people have explained to you where you're going wrong.
But you have no inclination to read about it, to verify if they're right or not. Had you done that, you would have seen where you erred, and adapted your message. But no, you keep going with that anti-vaxxer shit; and you mock those who aren't!
So infuriating.

I can't put you on ignore to avoid seeing your covid posts,
because that would mean at least a year until the covid drama eases. And (other than on health related matters - jeeze) you write v. interesting posts.

Those "myriads of people" you mentioned haven't done anything except to tell me that THEY want me to do something that has no benefit for ANYONE.

They ignore the science that masks don't prevent you from catching the virus. Masks only prevent people from shedding the virus via moisture droplets.

This is THE SCIENCE behind masks.

Now how about SOME MORE SCIENCE. The science that says that if you aren't shedding the virus you don't need a mask to prevent it.

That's not something I made up, it's reality. It's fact. It's physical science that you cannot infect someone if you're not infectious.

The ONLY basis that has been formulated for wearing a mask is based on FEAR that someone MIGHT BE infectious. So, rather than provide due process to that person where you prove that the specific person is infectious, the weak and afraid demand that everyone be considered infectious until they can prove they aren't.

That's not the way it works.

I understand that you and the rest are afraid. That's insufficient to strip me of my Rights unless it's PROVEN that I'm infectious with CV19. As of this moment in time, there's no proof of that.

And let's just drop the "you could be asymptomatic" crap before it starts. I don't have to prove I'm not infectious, you have to prove I am. Your burden of proof cannot be switched to me.

 

[sygn]

Just nod your head and tell me I'm right.

Well, you've made good points and bad points about the virus. This time they were good.

Btw
Why didn't God Faucci and others like him, not think about pressing governments to invest in mass production of N95's/P2's right from the start, in February?
It's their job, more than governments' to foresee these things too.

 

[SpeareChucker]

In February, the "God" Fauci was still telling us the virus was no big deal.


I take everything he says with a healthy dose of skepticism
as well as a grain of salt...

 

[HisArpy]

In February, the "God" Fauci was still telling us the virus was no big deal.


I take everything he says with a healthy dose of skepticism
as well as a grain of salt...

And a little lime and some tequila.

 

[SpeareChucker]

I think that times like this call for a lot of Tequila...


I have some lime-flavored sparkling water.

 

[Rotadom]

In February, the "God" Fauci was still telling us the virus was no big deal.


I take everything he says with a healthy dose of skepticism
as well as a grain of salt...

Now you don't believe an actual expert but swallow the TRUMP lies whole. You are quite a piece of.... work.

 

[Klinkster]

Now you don't believe an actual expert but swallow the TRUMP lies whole. You are quite a piece of.... work.

When people make statements, and one contradicts the other, which statement should you believe, and take as gospel?

That includes ‘experts’.

 

[Rotadom]

When people make statements, and one contradicts the other, which statement should you believe, and take as gospel?

That includes ‘experts’.

Please hold that standard to the President.

 

[Klinkster]

Please hold that standard to the President.

Please answer the question.

 

[Rotadom]

Please answer the question.

I would do my due diligence, research, look back and see if the person has made corrections, and then address it.

 

[HisArpy]

I would do my due diligence, research, look back and see if the person has made corrections, and then address it.

Still not an answer to the question.