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Court told US troops gang-raped Iraqi girl

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A U.S. military court in Baghdad heard graphic testimony on Monday of how three U.S. soldiers took turns raping a 14-year-old Iraqi girl before murdering her and her family.

At the hearing into whether four U.S. soldiers should be court-martialled for rape and murder, a special agent described what took place in Mahmudiya in March, based on an interview he had with one of the men, Specialist James Barker.

The case, the fifth involving serious crimes being investigated by the U.S. military in Iraq, has outraged Iraqis and led Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to call for a review of foreign troops' immunity from prosecution under Iraqi law.

Special Agent Benjamin Bierce recalled that Barker described to him how they put a couple and their six-year-old daughter into a bedroom of their home, but kept the teenage girl in the living room, where Barker held her hands while Sergeant Paul Cortez raped her or tried to rape her.

Barker then switched positions with Cortez and attempted to rape the girl but said he was not sure if he had done so, Bierce told the hearing.

Barker also told the special agent he heard shots from the bedroom and shortly afterwards Private Steven Green emerged from the room, put down an AK-47 assault rifle and raped the girl while Cortez held her down.

SHOT HER SEVERAL TIMES

Barker told Bierce that Green then picked up the weapon and shot her once, paused, and shot her several more times.

Military prosecutors are expected to set out their case against Private First Class Jesse Spielman, 21, Barker, 23, Cortez, 23 and Private First Class Bryan Howard, 19, who face charges of rape and murder among others.

If court-martialled after the Article 32 hearing -- the military's equivalent of a U.S. grand jury -- and found guilty, they could face the death penalty. The hearing began on Sunday and is expected to last several days.

Green, 21, faces the same charges in a U.S. federal court in Kentucky, home of the 502nd Infantry Regiment, his former unit. Green, who has pleaded not guilty, was discharged from the army for a "personality disorder."

A fifth soldier, Sergeant Anthony Yribe, is charged with dereliction of duty and making a false statement and will also appear at the hearing at a U.S. base in Baghdad.

Defense Attorney Captain Jimmie Culp was blowing chewing gum bubbles while Yribe, sitting to his left, began sucking on a red lollipop during the testimony.

An Iraqi army medic told the hearing on Sunday he entered the house and found the body of 14-year-old Abeer Qasim Hamza al-Janabi naked and burned from the waist up, with a single bullet wound beneath her left eye.

Special Agent Gary Griesmyer recounted Cortez' account of the day. "While they were playing cards and drinking Iraqi whiskey, the idea came to go out to an Iraqi house, rape a woman and murder her family," he testified.

Cortez said Barker told the young girl to "shut up" after she was raped, Griesmyer said.

Bierce said Barker told him he poured kerosene from a lamp on to the girl. It was not clear who set her on fire.

Barker later signed a sworn statement based on the interview, in which he said that on the day of the attack he, Cortez, Spielman and Green had been playing cards and drinking whisky mixed with an energy drink. They then went to the rear of the checkpoint where they ware based to hit golf balls.

Green said he wanted to go to a house and kill some Iraqis, Barker wrote in his sworn statement.

After the rape and murders, he wrote that he began to grill chicken wings.

The hearing continues.


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Even though this story is on Reuters web site I still find it unbelievable. Not that our troops are saints but, Reuters has been caught fudging pictures from Lebanon. And by fudging I mean manipulating the photo's in Paintshop to look worse than they were. Which has led to my lack of faith in them as an unbiased new agency.
 
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That is so fucking disgusting that I can't breathe. How the fuck would they feel if some drunk assholes did the same shit with their wives, daughters, moms? Throw them all under the goddamn jail like the animals they are. :mad:
 
I want to let everyone know that I don't condone what is alleged and went out and researched further for other news sources and found the following...Click Here. Which would validate the Reuters report.

And yes I do find it disgusting. And the death penalty would be the easy way out for them.
 
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If found guilty, these fuckers should be dropped off in downtown Baghdad to await whatever punishment the insurgency feels necessary.
 
If they hadn't raped and killed that poor girl, they'd have committed some atrocity back in the USA. This shames us more than the same crime by the same thugs here at home, because we know this girl isn't the only one who'd be alive if we hadn't arrived in Iraq uninvited and unprepared, destroyed its infrastructure, and begun an open-ended, unplanned occupation - by a military force that's now spread so thin, it can't help but include some of the worst Americans as well as the best.

Under the pretense of freeing this girl and her family from tyranny, we've killed or made it possible for others to kill, so many like her that there may never be an official civilian body count. This is a failed mission on every level: there's no democracy, unless you can count an elected government that's powerless to protect itself or its people; there are WMD all over the place, but none in the country where our troops and resources are committed; we've made it possible for religious extremists to creatre terror in one of the countries were they had no power; and far from avenging 9/11, we've let Bin Laden get away with so much for so long, he's a folk hero even among people who didn't share his extreme ideology. We've given creditility to his craziest ravings about our evil intentions in the middle east, by being photographed and documented committing abuses that mirror his image of us: sex-obsessed, Islam-hating, Koran-flushing criminals. The Great Satan.

There will be people who demonize The Media for bringing this crime to the world's attention when they might have swept it under the rug, as they should have ignored Abu Gahraib, "Black Prisons," Guantanamo and the mess we've left in Afghanistan. Those same people will misinterpret threads like this one as another failure to support our troops. As if it's supportive to condemn them to a situation that grows more dangerous with every incident like this one.

A few years ago, there were people in the Islamic world who hated what Bin Laden did on 9/11 and supported our invasion of Afghanistan, believing we had a right to bring him to justice in the country that had sheltered him. We flushed away their goodwill. And in doing so, we've made the world infinitely more dangerous than it might have been if GWB had focused on his promise to get Bin Laden and rebuild Afghanistan.

What really gets to me is that none of this comes as a surprise. Anyone who pretends it does wasn't paying attention, including Bush who chose to ignore his former Secretary of State. Colin Powell said, "If you break it, you own it." We've broken it, and then some.
 
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Thankfully they are going to be tried for what they're accused of. Firstly, I hope the truth comes out in the trial, whatever the truth may be. If they are guilty, I hope each of them is executed.

There was one part that caught my eye in reading it though:

Barker told Bierce that Green then picked up the weapon and shot her once, paused, and shot her several more times.

An Iraqi army medic told the hearing on Sunday he entered the house and found the body of 14-year-old Abeer Qasim Hamza al-Janabi naked and burned from the waist up, with a single bullet wound beneath her left eye.

Barkers credibility as a witness is now in question.
 
Wildcard Ky said:
Thankfully they are going to be tried for what they're accused of. Firstly, I hope the truth comes out in the trial, whatever the truth may be. If they are guilty, I hope each of them is executed.

There was one part that caught my eye in reading it though:

Barker told Bierce that Green then picked up the weapon and shot her once, paused, and shot her several more times.

An Iraqi army medic told the hearing on Sunday he entered the house and found the body of 14-year-old Abeer Qasim Hamza al-Janabi naked and burned from the waist up, with a single bullet wound beneath her left eye.

Barkers credibility as a witness is now in question.
Or the Iraqi medic.
 
OhMissScarlett said:
If found guilty, these fuckers should be dropped off in downtown Baghdad to await whatever punishment the insurgency feels necessary.
If found guilty they will be put to do death and the execution will be done swiftly, unlike civilian prisons where they'd rot on death row.
 
I expected something like this three years ago when the U.S. first invaded.

Garrison duty id very hard on troops, especially when they are not popular with the local. The mutual hate between the occupiers and the occupied gets to be pretty intense and leads to things like this.

I'm expecting the first fragging any day now. If it hasn't happened already and we just haven't heard about it.
 
Zeb_Carter said:
Or the Iraqi medic.

I dunno. One would think a medic in a place such as Iraq would have no trouble identifying bullet wounds. What rationale would the medic have? He's admitting to a gunshot wound, but not multiples. I don't see any reason for a cover up of details when the event itself is acknowledged.
 
Wildcard Ky said:
I dunno. One would think a medic in a place such as Iraq would have no trouble identifying bullet wounds. What rationale would the medic have? He's admitting to a gunshot wound, but not multiples. I don't see any reason for a cover up of details when the event itself is acknowledged.
True, true. And after reading both articles I haven't a clue who's telling the truth, although the medic would have no reason to not to tell the truth.
 
Zeb_Carter said:
Or the Iraqi medic.

Or the reporter's investigative journalism, which is sacrificed more and more to get news out faster.
 
*shudder*

Now, the question is, did the situation they were in turn them into fucked up monsters, or were they already homicidal psychos when they were put there? Would those people (and I use the term very loosesly) have done the same at home turf, or did the war situation trigger this in them?

If so, is the US army so short stacked on people that they are scraping the bottom of the sanity-barrel for soldiers to send? Could this have been prevented by, oh I don't know, NOT giving them guns and sending them into a mayhem zone?

Was there no way of knowing that these were people extremely un-suitable for the job?

I came over here because I wanted to kill people

Well, hell.
 
Liar said:
*shudder*

Now, the question is, did the situation they were in turn them into fucked up monsters, or were they already homicidal psychos when they were put there? Would those people (and I use the term very loosesly) have done the same at home turf, or did the war situation trigger this in them?

If so, is the US army so short stacked on people that they are scraping the bottom of the sanity-barrel for soldiers to send? Could this have been prevented by, oh I don't know, NOT giving them guns and sending them into a mayhem zone?

Was there no way of knowing that these were people extremely un-suitable for the job?

I came over here because I wanted to kill people

Well, hell.
It would appear so. I sure there are very aggressive recuiters out there trying to fill their quota and borderline cases get in. When I was in there were quiet a few "losers" in my squadron alone. True fuckups, yet they were kept until the end of their enlistment to fill slots that were needed.

It's sad, but you get even worse when they are inducted / drafted as the mentality is "it you time to serve, so you are going to serve." The feeling is that the Army will straighten them out.
 
Zeb_Carter said:
The feeling is that the Army will straighten them out.

Instead it only fucks them up more because there they learn how to kill a person six ways to Sunday. Bravo, Army! :rolleyes:
 
Aurora Black said:
Instead it only fucks them up more because there they learn how to kill a person six ways to Sunday. Bravo, Army! :rolleyes:
I have a feeling that military service DO straighten a whole lot of people out. At least for starters. I don't think you learn any more inventive ways to kill there than you do in front of CSI anyway. The problem is then whom of those people you send out to actual crisis situations. The "I want to kill people"-crowd should be weeded out and given nothing but a pat on the head and desk service at home. I'm sure we need someone to file reports and stuff.
 
Liar said:
*shudder*

Now, the question is, did the situation they were in turn them into fucked up monsters, or were they already homicidal psychos when they were put there? Would those people (and I use the term very loosesly) have done the same at home turf, or did the war situation trigger this in them?

If so, is the US army so short stacked on people that they are scraping the bottom of the sanity-barrel for soldiers to send? Could this have been prevented by, oh I don't know, NOT giving them guns and sending them into a mayhem zone?

Was there no way of knowing that these were people extremely un-suitable for the job?

I came over here because I wanted to kill people

Well, hell.

At the University that I went to we had a "circle" where students, teachers and other faculty members could talk, debate, and discuss different issues. As with any forum or other place which is open to public you get all kinds of people with all kinds of views.

Last year, a preacher and his daughter held a discussion(I use this term loosely) in the circle. The one message I got out of everything they said was that although he claimed to be a man of God his heart was filled with hate and his daughter had a thirst for killing. She actually said and I quote "I'm going to join the army so I can go kill.........."

What maybe scarier is that earlier this year we found out that she had indeed joined the Army.
 
Aurora Black said:
Instead it only fucks them up more because there they learn how to kill a person six ways to Sunday. Bravo, Army! :rolleyes:
But they already had that ability, just not the trainning. They probably would have become a killer here anyway, no matter what. So why blame the Army. The courts in the US have been deferring sentences for ages if the prep enlisted in the armed forces.
 
moonlight elf said:
At the University that I went to we had a "circle" where students, teachers and other faculty members could talk, debate, and discuss different issues. As with any forum or other place which is open to public you get all kinds of people with all kinds of views.

Last year, a preacher and his daughter held a discussion(I use this term loosely) in the circle. The one message I got out of everything they said was that although he claimed to be a man of God his heart was filled with hate and his daughter had a thirst for killing. She actually said and I quote "I'm going to join the army so I can go kill.........."

What maybe scarier is that earlier this year we found out that she had indeed joined the Army.
Fundamentalist are a funny lot, aren't they?
 
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