I think I need to say this. Why did Hillary lose?

[Adre]

Clarification on white men, would love you to answer. Do both progressive and conservative white men practice identity politics, or is it just one side?

I don't speak for white men. Do you speak for all black women?

 

[Disgustipated]

Do you speak for all black women?

Not all, just those living in her head.

 

[zipman]

You can thank our board members such as Throb, Luk, Rory, UD, zip, Petey, Adre, and let us not leave out some of the gals, sigh, LadyV, Pookie, etc...,

And I'm sorry if your left-wing feelings are hurt that you did not make this list, but in the aggregate, you did exactly what has been transpiring in the real world. You cannot have polite conversations, gentle debates or mannerly disagreements. You go so quickly negative, you're stupid, you're backwards, you cannot be open-minded, terrified of change, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, Neanderthal, Fascist, NAZI, ad infinitum and then throw in a heaping dose of ridicule.

You never talked any issues, and yet all we ever heard in the wind is the plaint, "Why can't we talk about issues?"

But the Democrats treated the election like a Lit thread. Shout everyone down, be nasty, accuse the candidate of being the equivalent of the bastard offspring of Larry Flint, Jeffrey Dalmer and Adolf Hitler, a man who would start world war three, outlaw abortion, but blacks in chains and deport all Hispanics and Muslims. Never black and white with you.

Ever since 2008, you have told us, if you are white and do not have a college education, you are fucking shit. If you are white, have a college education and are conservative, you are a stupid fucking shit. If you do not follow our social religion, we will ruin you. Shut the fuck up, get into the closet and know when you are licked, defeated and in the ash bin of history.

Well, where did that nastiness get you? Yeah, you put some bakers and photographers out of business, even managed to ruin a few careers. But now, the President, the Senate and the House are in the hands of your enemies. Not only that, but you have delivered a majority of State governments to your enemies. And now, we see, you are going to get even fucking nastier, if that is even possible.

You kept pissing down the backs of your fellow Americans because you thought, thanks to your antics and machinations, that they no longer had a voice in running America, that you were the kings and queens, the vanguard of the future, and telling us it was warm rain.

You were so focused on telling us how evil the Trump was, that you forgot to talk about the issues that your own fucking voters cared about and they stayed home.

Well fucking done.

BRILLIANT!

Lol, do you actually believe the bullshit you type?

So Hillary lost because I hurt your feelings once years ago on a porn board? You seem to be forgetting that she lost to someone who insulted and belittled every single Republican he ran against in the primary. He insulted Mexicans, Muslims, Gold Star families, Blacks and a host of others and you either ignored it or defended it.

But I'm somehow responsible for Hillary losing? You can make up all the bullshit you want about positions I don't hold or arguments I've never made and it still doesn't matter.

And as always, your hypocrisy rises to the top. You've called people the N-word, you've called women cunts and yet you think I'm somehow the insulting one.

Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate with way too much baggage who ran a foolish campaign to boot. I was a Bernie supporter which you would know if you bothered to read before posting.

Thanks for the laugh!

 

[Disgustipated]

Lol, do you actually believe the bullshit you type?

So Hillary lost because I hurt your feelings once years ago on a porn board? You seem to be forgetting that she lost to someone who insulted and belittled every single Republican he ran against in the primary. He insulted Mexicans, Muslims, Gold Star families, Blacks and a host of others and you either ignored it or defended it.

But I'm somehow responsible for Hillary losing? You can make up all the bullshit you want about positions I don't hold or arguments I've never made and it still doesn't matter.

And as always, your hypocrisy rises to the top. You've called people the N-word, you've called women cunts and yet you think I'm somehow the insulting one.

Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate with way too much baggage who ran a foolish campaign to boot. I was a Bernie supporter which you would know if you bothered to read before posting.

Thanks for the laugh!

AJ has become a faux performance artist rivaled only by dizzyb00by.

 

[Conager]

Exactly. I was laughing at cnn last night saying hilarys votes would be coming along later in the evening as a way to explain why trump was leading in everything.

The Democrat votes actually do come in later. When I went to bed at 6 p.m. Arizona time Broward County hadn't reported a single vote yet. There's a reason for this: the Democrats have to haul out boxes of ballots from wherever they've got them tucked away.

What went wrong this time is that the Rorys of the DNC so vilified the deplorables that every time a poster called up a deplorable and asked, "Was you thinking of voting for that racist evil son of a bitch?" the deplorable just got a guilty look on his face and stuttered a bit when he said "Uh, no. Not me...but why do you ask??" Meanwhile, for various policy and personality reasons he continue to hate Hillary Clinton and when he showed up at The Actual Ballot Box, he did what any reasonable person that hates Hillary Clinton would do: he voted for the other guy.

This was an RSVP situation which you would understand what with you speaking French and whatnot. The deplorables, by and large do not speak French so they really did not they do not know what respondez s'il vous plait means and the Democrats were not able to get an accurate headcount so they would know exactly how many boxes of ballots to sneak into the count.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The Democrat votes actually do come in later. When I went to bed at 6 p.m. Arizona time Broward County hadn't reported a single vote yet. There's a reason for this: the Democrats have to haul out boxes of ballots from wherever they've got them tucked away.

What went wrong this time is that the Rorys of the DNC so vilified the deplorables that every time a poster called up a deplorable and asked, "Was you thinking of voting for that racist evil son of a bitch?" the deplorable just got a guilty look on his face and stuttered a bit when he said "Uh, no. Not me...but why do you ask??" Meanwhile, for various policy and personality reasons he continue to hate Hillary Clinton and when he showed up at The Actual Ballot Box, he did what any reasonable person that hates Hillary Clinton would do: he voted for the other guy.

This was an RSVP situation which you would understand what with you speaking French and whatnot. The deplorables, by and large do not speak French so they really did not they do not know what respondez s'il vous plait means and the Democrats were not able to get an accurate headcount so they would know exactly how many boxes of ballots to sneak into the count.

Link? Cite? Shred of evidence to back any of this up?

 

[missemily]

Link? Cite? Shred of evidence to back any of this up?

Don't expect any from him. The second he tried to challenge me and started citing actually examples he ran away.

Just the usual wannabe tough guy on the internet, the second someone challenges him runs far and fast.

For example voter fraud. Now I can go pull up the nice big study done on American Elections and fraud so I can give you the actual numbers but instead I will just use my old memory here.

There were only 50 cases of voter fraud found in over billion cast ballots. Yes 50 fraudulent votes out of billion.

But 2016 we did see an uptick in voter fraud, mainly with Trump supporters. All were caught since its fairly easy to spot someone trying to cheat the system. All of them also said they were just listening to vile that came out of Trump's mouth during his rallies.

Now you will come back saying how theres 140 year old person still on the rolls. My response is, has he voted though? Just because he is still on voter roll doesn't mean voter fraud, it means bad bookkeeping. Hence why every so often there suppose to actually go through the rolls to make cases like that don't exist.

 

[Wrong Element]

The Democrat votes actually do come in later. When I went to bed at 6 p.m. Arizona time Broward County hadn't reported a single vote yet. There's a reason for this: the Democrats have to haul out boxes of ballots from wherever they've got them tucked away.

What went wrong this time is that the Rorys of the DNC so vilified the deplorables that every time a poster called up a deplorable and asked, "Was you thinking of voting for that racist evil son of a bitch?" the deplorable just got a guilty look on his face and stuttered a bit when he said "Uh, no. Not me...but why do you ask??" Meanwhile, for various policy and personality reasons he continue to hate Hillary Clinton and when he showed up at The Actual Ballot Box, he did what any reasonable person that hates Hillary Clinton would do: he voted for the other guy.

This was an RSVP situation which you would understand what with you speaking French and whatnot. The deplorables, by and large do not speak French so they really did not they do not know what respondez s'il vous plait means and the Democrats were not able to get an accurate headcount so they would know exactly how many boxes of ballots to sneak into the count.

Yeah, the Democrats did such a great job rigging the vote that they lost 2 megastates and 2 other states with double digit EVs by 1 percentage point each. Won't stop you guys from hauling out this tired argument four years from now.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I don't speak for white men. Do you speak for all black women?

Who are you?

 

[zipman]

AJ has become a faux performance artist rivaled only by dizzyb00by.

A_J is just happy that he has helped to make idiocracy a reality.

 

[Adre]

Who are you?

I could ask you the same question.

 

[Hashfag45]

Who are you?

The same person you were saying that promised to post a selfie last week. Are you playing stupid or were we just fooled for a while?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Five pages...




Not bad!

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I could ask you the same question.

How is this relevant to my open question, one which was not directed at you, and as such you could have easily ignored?

 

[Adre]

How is this relevant to my open question, one which was not directed at you, and as such you could have easily ignored?

My apologies, I was under the impression that this was a public forum where many people offered responses to a variety of questions and assertions.

 

[Disgustipated]

How is this relevant to my open question, one which was not directed at you, and as such you could have easily ignored?

An "open question" isn't directed to anyone, dipshit.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Having not learned their lesson, they are now out protesting in the nastiest manner possible...


Screaming obscenities at reporters and carrying signs of Trump as Hitler in Klan clothes.

Had they won, they would be calling for "unity...,"

Well, not with THE DEPLORABLES!!!

 

[Conager]

Yeah, the Democrats did such a great job rigging the vote that they lost 2 megastates and 2 other states with double digit EVs by 1 percentage point each. Won't stop you guys from hauling out this tired argument four years from now.

It WAS insurmountably cumbersome to come up with 1% of a mega-states ballots wasn't it?

#writerscramp
#thatsalottastamps

If they had to have any idea how many deplorables there actually were they could have started "getting out the vote" even earlier.

Have to give some credit for restraint, though. I haven't heard any reports of any precincts with higher vote tallies for Clinton than residents.

 

[zipman]

It WAS insurmountably cumbersome to come up with 1% of a mega-states ballots wasn't it?

#writerscramp
#thatsalottastamps

If they had to have any idea how many deplorables there actually were they could have started "getting out the vote" even earlier.

Have to give some credit for restraint, though. I haven't heard any reports of any precincts with higher vote tallies for Clinton than residents.

There has never been any evidence of anything close to wide spread voter fraud as Trump and the other right wing nut jobs have asserted. It's a myth that the right wing uses to try and scare its base.

Now voter suppression are quite real. Guess who does that?

 

[FGB]

You can thank our board members such as Throb, Luk, Rory, UD, zip, Petey, Adre, and let us not leave out some of the gals, sigh, LadyV, Pookie, etc...,

And I'm sorry if your left-wing feelings are hurt that you did not make this list, but in the aggregate, you did exactly what has been transpiring in the real world. You cannot have polite conversations, gentle debates or mannerly disagreements. You go so quickly negative, you're stupid, you're backwards, you cannot be open-minded, terrified of change, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, Neanderthal, Fascist, NAZI, ad infinitum and then throw in a heaping dose of ridicule.

You never talked any issues, and yet all we ever heard in the wind is the plaint, "Why can't we talk about issues?"

But the Democrats treated the election like a Lit thread. Shout everyone down, be nasty, accuse the candidate of being the equivalent of the bastard offspring of Larry Flint, Jeffrey Dalmer and Adolf Hitler, a man who would start world war three, outlaw abortion, but blacks in chains and deport all Hispanics and Muslims. Never black and white with you.

Ever since 2008, you have told us, if you are white and do not have a college education, you are fucking shit. If you are white, have a college education and are conservative, you are a stupid fucking shit. If you do not follow our social religion, we will ruin you. Shut the fuck up, get into the closet and know when you are licked, defeated and in the ash bin of history.

Well, where did that nastiness get you? Yeah, you put some bakers and photographers out of business, even managed to ruin a few careers. But now, the President, the Senate and the House are in the hands of your enemies. Not only that, but you have delivered a majority of State governments to your enemies. And now, we see, you are going to get even fucking nastier, if that is even possible.

You kept pissing down the backs of your fellow Americans because you thought, thanks to your antics and machinations, that they no longer had a voice in running America, that you were the kings and queens, the vanguard of the future, and telling us it was warm rain.

You were so focused on telling us how evil the Trump was, that you forgot to talk about the issues that your own fucking voters cared about and they stayed home.

Well fucking done.

BRILLIANT!

Remember all the TeaParty people y'all were yelling about?

And I told ya it's not them people you had to worry about...It was the people who agreed with most of what they believed but were not so radical.

Well they showed up with the rest of the people who could not jump on the Hillary bandwagon.

 

[patient1]

Talk radio host Mark Belling suggested that the last straw was FBI director Comey announcing that there was nothing new in the recent e-mails.

The announcement was considered suspicious in a "These aren't the droids we're looking for. You can go about your business . Move along, move along kind of way."

That didn't occur to me, because I assumed that the FBI had had the software to search the stuff, and it wouldn't take to long. It all started with Clinton going on the A.G.'s plane and talking to her privately. That started all of the irregularities and extra transparency in order to try to salvage the appearance of propriety. So the Clintons have nobody but themselves to thank for sowing suspicion.

 

[Conager]

There has never been any evidence of anything close to wide spread voter fraud as Trump and the other right wing nut jobs have asserted. It's a myth that the right wing uses to try and scare its base.

Now voter suppression are quite real. Guess who does that?

Nice that you can speak with such confident authority about the fact that there is no evidence of a crime that we have no system in place to detect and no way to check after the fact whether it has or has not occurred.

Guess which is the only party that objects to verifying the vote? Why would that be?

I don't know that I've ever seen any evidence of the widespread fraud of the Daley Machine. Do you dispute that that happened? Did they suddenly find religion and decide that it was just wrong and quit?

Probably should let Obama and his justice department know about "supression", since he just said the other day that it isn't the reason people do not get out and vote.

 

[Conager]

Talk radio host Mark Belling suggested that the last straw was FBI director Comey announcing that there was nothing new in the recent e-mails.

The announcement was considered suspicious in a "These aren't the droids we're looking for. You can go about your business . Move along, move along kind of way."

That didn't occur to me, because I assumed that the FBI had had the software to search the stuff, and it wouldn't take to long. It all started with Clinton going on the A.G.'s plane and talking to her privately. That started all of the irregularities and extra transparency in order to try to salvage the appearance of propriety. So the Clintons have nobody but themselves to thank for sowing suspicion.

I hadn't really thought of it that way either.

All I noticed was Comey was righteous ... look he's a Republican and he says she's fine in a highly negligent way.

Followed by WHAT?? He says there's more email?? What an asshole partisan!

Followed by, listen to Comey, he says there's nothing new!

I don't know for the electorate to read all that subtext seems a stretch. I think Hillary herself and her supporters overly loud insistence that there's nothing to see here was more of a factor.

It kind of reminds me of the Roberts theory on that ridiculous Obamacare scotus decision. that he thought if he plainly pointed out to the American people yes this is a tax and if you want this there's an election coming up and all you have to do is put this guy back in if you don't want it simply throw him out.

Alll the electorate heard was hey this Supreme Court looked at it and it checked out all okie dokie. I guess I can keep my doctor and my premiums are going to drop.

 

[zipman]

Nice that you can speak with such confident authority about the fact that there is no evidence of a crime that we have no system in place to detect and no way to check after the fact whether it has or has not occurred.

Guess which is the only party that objects to verifying the vote? Why would that be?

I don't know that I've ever seen any evidence of the widespread fraud of the Daley Machine. Do you dispute that that happened? Did they suddenly find religion and decide that it was just wrong and quit?

Probably should let Obama and his justice department know about "supression", since he just said the other day that it isn't the reason people do not get out and vote.

There have been more than one comprehensive study showing that it is a tiny amount of votes.

•The Brennan Center’s seminal report on this issue, The Truth About Voter Fraud, found that most reported incidents of voter fraud are actually traceable to other sources, such as clerical errors or bad data matching practices. The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.00004 percent and 0.0009 percent. Given this tiny incident rate for voter impersonation fraud, it is more likely, the report noted, that an American “will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls.”

•A study published by a Columbia University political scientist tracked incidence rates for voter fraud for two years, and found that the rare fraud that was reported generally could be traced to “false claims by the loser of a close race, mischief and administrative or voter error.”

•A comprehensive 2014 study published in The Washington Post found 31 credible instances of impersonation fraud from 2000 to 2014, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast. Even this tiny number is likely inflated, as the study’s author counted not just prosecutions or convictions, but any and all credible claims.

•Two studies done at Arizona State University, one in 2012 and another in 2016, found similarly negligible rates of impersonation fraud. The project found 10 cases of voter impersonation fraud nationwide from 2000-2012. The follow-up study, which looked for fraud specifically in states where politicians have argued that fraud is a pernicious problem, found zero successful prosecutions for impersonation fraud in five states from 2012-2016.

I have no problem with voter ID laws that are non-discriminatory and do not place an undue burden on minorities and poor people to get the IDs. Of course that's not the case and why so many of them are overturned by the courts.

But you know all this.

 

[Wrong Element]

I have no problem with voter ID laws that are non-discriminatory and do not place an undue burden on minorities and poor people to get the IDs. Of course that's not the case and why so many of them are overturned by the courts.

But you know all this.

Telling a 90-year-old woman who has voted without incident for decades that she suddenly needs to produce her birth certificate in order to keep voting is just harassment.