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Purple Sage

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In a thread about Gor and Scientology, I remarked that we needed a new category- Wodehousian Porn. Well, okay, Wodehousian Erotica, since it's hard to imagine old P.G. getting really raunchy, no matter what the subject matter. I've been thinking about that since, and the more I think about it, the better a notion I think it is. Which may tell you more about me than about the idea itself.

Anyway, at first I thought about it as "If P.G. Wodehouse wrote porn...", but I found that a daunting approach. "If Fred Astaire danced the Lambada..." maybe, but getting inside P.G.'s head to that extent, and then changing it... no thanks. So, I decided to approach the idea more from the point of view of stealing his chops. That way I can just leave out whatever makes it porn-unfriendly.

So, here is a list of elements from Wodehouse that I think could be woven into a porn-friendly matrix- and I'd love to hear from others about what else they see there that might work.

1: Upper class Brits. Of course. Naturally. To be more precise, funny upper class Brits.
2: Servants. Nothing sexier than maids, after all.
3: complicated but lighthearted plotting- vast expenditures of effort over trivia.
4: Significant focus on issues of propriety/impropriety.
5: Utter lack of naturalism.
6: Settings as authentic as those from 1930's musicals.
7: And of course, all those little stylistic things that make Wodehouse Wodehouse and cannot be described- but hopefully can be stolen.

Looking over the list, it seems to me that the appropriate flavor of erotica here is a kind of fanciful BDSM. I then notice that something along these lines has been done- by 'John Willie' Coutts, the author of The Adventures of Sweet Gwendolyne and the magazine Bizarre, though his output was largely in comic format, hence losing much of the flavor that Wodehouse is able to impart to his characters. Does anyone know of other, more 'literary' examples? Anyone have suggestions? Additions to the list?
 
I don't know the Coutts work, but your themes seem very Litworthy.
 
sirhugs said:
I don't know the Coutts work, but your themes seem very Litworthy.

Apparently they can't compete with incest, though... Coutts published a magazine devoted to bondage and fetish themes in 1950's, maybe earlier as well. He drew some pretty hot bdsm cartoons for it (although pretty softcore by today's standards), the most famous being Sweet Gwendolyn, who was a buxom blonde that was constantly being kidnapped and tied up, and occassionally flogged, by evil-doers (and her sometimes rescuer, Agent U-69, a pretty hot dominatrix). It was quite a bit more pulp/melodrama oriented than Wodehouse, but utilized some of the same archetypes (Coutts was British). I think googling 'John Willie' or 'Sweet Gwendolyn' should turn up some stuff.

Well, if I can work out a plot, maybe I'll give it a shot.
 
i for one would be quite interested in seeing the results of such an effort.

ed
 
silverwhisper said:
i for one would be quite interested in seeing the results of such an effort.

ed

As am I, as the other person discussing this with you on the Gor thread.
 
Purple Sage said:
I then notice that something along these lines has been done- by 'John Willie' Coutts, the author of The Adventures of Sweet Gwendolyne and the magazine Bizarre, though his output was largely in comic format, hence losing much of the flavor that Wodehouse is able to impart to his characters. Does anyone know of other, more 'literary' examples? Anyone have suggestions? Additions to the list?

Wasn't there also a movie based on Sweet Gwendolyne? I think it was The Perils of Gwendoline. It rather entertaining, though to tell you the truth, the part of the movie I found most entertaining was the hero of the film constantly shouting "ASSHOLE!" at bad guys as he was fleeing a room.

A well done story based on this kind of thing could be a lot of fun.
 
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Texguy84 said:
Wasn't there also a movie based on Sweet Gwendolyne? I think it was The Perils of Gwendoline. It rather entertaining, though to tell you the truth, the part of the movie I found most entertaining was the hero of the film constantly shouting "ASSHOLE!" at bad guys as he was fleeing a room.

A well done story based on this kind of thing could be a lot of fun.

Yes, there was, quite a while back- I'm thinking early 80's? It was kind of sexy, but as I recall it was pretty much a French effort, except for Tawny Kitaen, and it didn't even attempt to follow any storyline from Coutts- it just stole a couple of his characters. (I'm not criticizing, mind you, as that's more or less what I'm considering doing re: Wodehouse...). Oh, and Hi, Brioche! Any suggestions?
 
Update-
I took a shot at this- just sort of a writing exercise, rather than an actual attempt to write a story. While I didn't produce anything I'd want to keep, it made me think it can be done. At the moment I'm messing around with various plot notions in my head- haven't come up with anything particularly good yet. As I thought, for me, at least, this is the tough part. Suggestions welcome.
 
You could try a hunting trip (phesant shooting). Large stately home, lots of upper class men and their butlers or batt men. Also plenty of servants and one or two gamekeepers tossed in for fun.

These occasions were usually attended by large numbers of people with big formal dinners in the evenings. Could also finish with a hunt ball just for fun.
 
cutsdean said:
You could try a hunting trip (phesant shooting). Large stately home, lots of upper class men and their butlers or batt men. Also plenty of servants and one or two gamekeepers tossed in for fun.

These occasions were usually attended by large numbers of people with big formal dinners in the evenings. Could also finish with a hunt ball just for fun.

Yes- but this is more of a setting than an actual plot. If you've read Wodehouse, plot intracacies are a big part of the fun. I think I may go with something derived from the Purloined Pig theme in the Blandings stories, but I haven't got it all worked out yet. No actual pigs involved...
 
Purple Sage said:
In a thread about Gor and Scientology, I remarked that we needed a new category- Wodehousian Porn. ?

Wodehouse has an influence on my style. He's one of the sources for the somewhat stilted and bone-dry ironic diction which provides such an excellent sauce for topics of sexual rage.
 
rosco rathbone said:
Wodehouse has an influence on my style. He's one of the sources for the somewhat stilted and bone-dry ironic diction which provides such an excellent sauce for topics of sexual rage.

and yet he never wrote a novel called "Collars and Cuffs"
 
sirhugs said:
Bumbleshoots and Brommsticks? ( works if its bdsm)

Cute, but I believe it's 'bumbershoots', and it begins to sound more like gay porn- which doesn't happen to be my cuppa.
 
Will there be any buggering between Milord and the Butler...or at least his valet? With all due deference, of course. And if so...who gets to be on top?

For that matter...what's happening below stairs?
 
3113 said:
Will there be any buggering between Milord and the Butler...or at least his valet? With all due deference, of course. And if so...who gets to be on top?

For that matter...what's happening below stairs?

Hmmm... 'Upstairs, Downstairs' was quite a hit on PBS in my youth- but far too soap-operish for my taste. Quite a title for post-Edwardian porn though...

As for the buggery mentioned- not my thing, though classically British, of course. I doubt I could do it justice. Brioche has already condemned the notion. I don't know if it affronts her personal sensitivities or just seems unwodehousian, but would agree with either assessment. Of course, pornographying Wodehouse seems unwodehousian, too, to a degree. He had such a sensitivity to propriety- but, on the other hand, his sensitivity is manifested in mocking it, so perhaps he would have taken this same direction if what he was already doing wasn't so damn profitable. Besides the intricate plotting, it seems to me that the most difficult aspect of this project is keeping some shred of that easily-embarassed-Englishman sensibility that informs so much of what Wodehouse wrote. It's the source of much of the humor, and it isn't easy to maintain in an environment of rampant flogging and fornication.
 
Update:

I think I have the thing about half way plotted. I'm avoiding the Jeeves/Wooster characters and drawing more off the Blandings series and Psmith, along with various New York and Hollywood tales. This is mostly because Bertie is too equivocal to make a proper BDSM protagonist. I think I've got someone developing in the Galahad/Uncle Fred/Psmith sort of line, which makes plotting easier. In my first sketch, he has a valet, but this valet is more like Beach the Butler than he is like Jeeves. However, he may be unnecessary baggage- there's a female secretary of the Sally type that seems a lot more useful. I may lose him the first draft, though he may have some utility in the second half... you can never have too many minions. If I lose him, I'll have to draft somebody's butler for some running-back-and-forth sorts of activities, of which there tend to be many in a Wodehouse story.

I need a serious block of time when I'm actually awake to write this, but maybe I can finish the plotting in my current dazed and confused state.
 
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