I really expected to find something on the bin Lauden video

[SINthysist]

I expected the anti-war crowd to be, yet once again twittering and chirping, you can't EVEN get Osama! Don't go after Saddam until you've gotten Osama. I mean now we have his voice to inspire the troops and keep the myth alive!




Tuesday Sept. 10, 2002; 12:58 a.m. EDT
Al Qaeda Insider Hints Bin Laden is Dead

A top al Qaeda operative referred to Osama bin Laden in the past tense while in the presence of an Al-Jazerra TV reporter, heightening speculation that the 9-11 terror mastermind may be dead.

Al Jazerra's Yosri Fouda spent two days in June interviewing top bin Laden lieutenants Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh.

Fouda, host of Al-Jazeera's investigative program "Top Secret," revealed to the London Times on Sunday that the meeting was secured after a trip to Karachi, Pakistani, where he was transported blindfolded to an apartment where the bin Laden aides waited.

Fouda said during the two days he spent with the al Qaeda lieutenants, Mohammed once referred to bin Laden in the past tense, leading him to believe the terror chief could be dead.

Though al Qaeda officially maintains that bin Laden is still alive, the terror organization hasn't released a tape of him with footage more recent than December 2001.

Previously al Qaeda had regularly released videos showing bin Laden in conversation with top mullahs - or even bragging to associates about the 9-11 attacks.

 

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Of course he could be dead.

Or that could be a mistaken past tense. I was looking for a direct quote. Have you seen any so we can see the context the remark was made in?

Funny, Al-Jazzeera put a OBL tape of unknown origin on yesterday. Just his voice apparently. Or was this the same tape? What I read off BBC inferred Yosri Fouda was responsible for that also.

Hard to believe just what's propaganda and what's not. Hard to get excited over tapes that are probably months old.

Doesn't really matter as far as war against Iraq goes. Dead or alive my thoughts remain against war.

Chirp, chirp, twit, twit.

 

[SINthysist]

Here's the funny part. Follow me on this one weed. On every other occassion when we wanted to bomb his skippy ass, we knew exactly where to find him! Clinton did! Bush did! We had him in the crosshairs and someone fucked up and did not give the shoot okay, some military magistrate...

Now we can't find him for shit...

It doesn't follow!

We knew he was at Tora Bora.
He knew he was safe. No one had ever been able to dig him out of there.
He forgot the United States is not Russia.
We had some toys we were developing for Saddam's bunkers that we used on Tora Bora.
FUCKED THEM UP!
Then we began to get the stories...
Osama wasn't there.
Osama's alive and well.
But, we had his body guards...

A few months later, these unrelated stories began to leak out...
Osama was wounded in the left shoulder. Now why change the story suddenly? Because the faithful saw a mortally wounded Osama. To claim he wasn't there...

The story was Osama was so strong and such an excellent horseman that he (and he alone of the party) rode out in a blizzard on tricky mountain trails to safety, Osama sitting upright in his saddle. Now, remember how sick and frail the fawker was in the last known video...

Now remember, the military called for DNA from his family. They were pretty sure at the time that he didn't make it out of the caves.

More recently, we have heard that he "handed power" over to one of his sons to go forth and run Al Qaeda. There's a few more peices to the puzzle, I've posted them here and there on the board, but when one begings connecting the dots...

And this latest attempt at portraying the man as being well and alive is just one more dot.

But the faithful will believe whatever they're told.

Not SIN!

 

[DeityMun]

There was a point where a cease fire was called, because the Al Queda guys said they were going to surrender. It lasted for 8 hours or something like that, then they balked, and the fighting began again. The thought is that Bin Laden could have escaped from Tora Bora during those 8 hours of cease fire, and gone into Pakistan.

 

[Ishmael]

More recently, we have heard that he "handed power" over to one of his sons to go forth and run Al Qaeda.

That was the big one bro. When was that? Two, three months ago?

Ishmael

 

[SINthysist]

In the last month...

If they tried to escape during that 8 hours, they would have been seen.

It's not like we don't have technology.

They were probably in confusion since their leader was dead. Then someone took over and started lying...

 

[SINthysist]

And right or wrong, I have the thread date to show that I put those dots together and speculated along these lines a week before the FBI and others began saying it.

WorldTribune.com is a wonderful source of dots...

 

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I can believe he's dead just as easily as I can believe he's alive disappearing into the distance leaving a trail of dotted lines.

I agree he looked ill and if he's still alive he may not be showing himself because he's in no state to do so. He may be as good as dead if he's so ill he can't continue to lead and so his son assumed that responsibility.

He could be deader than a door knob and the Al Qaeda are desparately trying to keep his image alive for their cause.

I find it all speculation. Certainly if the US did not achieve their goal of dealing with OBL that can be used as an argument against the use of military action as ineffective.

Regardless, while I know there maybe situations where the use of force is inevitable (i.e. self-defense) I generally do not believe war is a justifiable response to the problems Bush would like to address with it. We have not been attacked by Iraq.

 

[SINthysist]

See, that's at the crux of the matter and one of the things I've talked about. Three reasons why no one will admit that he's dead.

1. His followers. No brainer. With him gone, Jihad collapses in power struggles, they lose.
2. The Democrats and the Press. They cannot admit that we won and achieved our goals. That means the hated Bush gets credit and Clinton discredit. They lose.
3. The Bush Administration. Without a body, they'd be pilloried. ... and if he were to actually turn up... Lose-lose situation.

So no one, NO ONE wants anything to do with that truth.