I Miss Ogg

[Rightguide]

I had issues with Ogg at the end but his earlier posts were well argued.

As for your article, this was in my newsfeed the other day:



Greenies basically refuse to understand that their agenda sucks because it goes against actual history as well as technology/industry. Which points out the probable truth in the linked article t hat their true goal isn't clean energy, it's less energy and a return to yesterday's population levels and civilization.

Basically, they're as nutz as the trans are.

Absolutely true. Depopulation is at the bottom of their plan. They know full well their policies will kill off millions upon millions of people. That is their hope but as we are beginning to see that a new order is on the horizon in Europe. Germany is in trouble, France is in trouble, and Italy is in trouble, the Netherlands is in trouble. The Euro has fallen to its weakest level against the US dollar in more than 20 years. The Eurozone is now split into several subcomponents and Nato is in trouble. The present ruling elite in Europe is about to be voted out of office, In the new and emerging reality the Eurozone will become less relevant economically, politically, and militarily.

 

[AlexBailey]

I have recently discovered the use of hydrogen-nickel batteries. I'm skeptical of this company, but they have a large amount of support. Hydrogen-nickel can be used in extreme environments (for example, the space station) but this company seems to be working on making it available and affordable to the masses.

I’ve been an early adopter of many technologies, even been an alpha and beta tester for some manufacturers.

Be optimistic but do your homework. I’ve identified issues with a few new products that proved to be problematic.

Lithium Iron Phosphate are my go-to battery until something else proves more cost effective with similar performance and longevity.

 

[HisArpy]

Once again your projections land wide of the mark - and you seem to think that renewables are not still in early stages of development compared to other technologies.

Recycling of lithium batteries is a new industry with huge profit potential. Good old capitalism is pushing the market there.

There are models for non-chemical large scale energy storage systems that have yet to be built that will probably be on line before your demise.

There are wind generator designs that don’t hack birds, but you know without protective regulations it’s a money first market. I’m glad to hear you care about something other than just profits.


Meanwhile Fukushima is the gift that won’t stop giving. Would you eat seafood from the area?

While new nuclear reactors are being designed in ways that ‘cannot’ go critical the entire uranium mining and processing industry is exposed to vulnerabilities. It’s a security nightmare underwritten and insured by taxpayers in perpetuity.

The more our society invests in green tech the better off and more internationally competitive we’ll be.

Battery recycling tech provides a max of 40% of recyclable materials. Lithium is a finite resource which requires strip mining the earth with ALL of the attendant pollution and destruction of habitat and elimination of entire species problems.

Not to mention the tons and tons of pollution it creates in manufacturing the batteries which will continue to pollute after their useful lifespan ends.

See, it seems as if it's YOU who doesn't know what the fuck you're saying. Instead you go with the latest propaganda and think that you're saving the planet when the reality is that you're the one of the people destroying it.

I'm guessing it's because you put the jerk in knee jerk. You have this tendency to spout off in opposition and then scramble to find ways to support your bullshit which only go to prove that it's bullshit and that you're nothing but an asshole.

BTW, the newest battery tech is coming out of MIT with a concrete/CARBON capacitive power storage process. CARBON, concrete and a sodium solution - all of which are in abundant supply, are non toxic, and are long lasting with no recycling issues. The tech is brand new but it works.

So much for your lithium is going to save the world crapfest.

 

[Bray123]

Most of the world's lithium is sourced from brine. The new British lithium facility being built in Somerset will utilize the lithium spewing into the sea from old copper & tin workings in nearby Cornwall.

 

[AlexBailey]

Battery recycling tech provides a max of 40% of recyclable materials. Lithium is a finite resource which requires strip mining the earth with ALL of the attendant pollution and destruction of habitat and elimination of entire species problems.

Not to mention the tons and tons of pollution it creates in manufacturing the batteries which will continue to pollute after their useful lifespan ends.

See, it seems as if it's YOU who doesn't know what the fuck you're saying. Instead you go with the latest propaganda and think that you're saving the planet when the reality is that you're the one of the people destroying it.

I'm guessing it's because you put the jerk in knee jerk. You have this tendency to spout off in opposition and then scramble to find ways to support your bullshit which only go to prove that it's bullshit and that you're nothing but an asshole.

BTW, the newest battery tech is coming out of MIT with a concrete/CARBON capacitive power storage process. CARBON, concrete and a sodium solution - all of which are in abundant supply, are non toxic, and are long lasting with no recycling issues. The tech is brand new but it works.

So much for your lithium is going to save the world crapfest.

Off the mark as usual.

Did I say lithium was going to save the world? No.

I said LFP is my go-to until something else PROVES to be more effective.

Does that make me a knee-jerk ignoramous? No.

Are you truly so fucking stupid that you think we’re at the apex of recycling technology? Yes.

 

[HisArpy]

Off the mark as usual.

Did I say lithium was going to save the world? No.

I said LFP is my go-to until something else PROVES to be more effective.

Does that make me a knee-jerk ignoramous? No.

Are you truly so fucking stupid that you think we’re at the apex of recycling technology? Yes.

Look at you run away from your own statements.

Nuclear technology is developing and is proving to be "more effective" than anything you're promoting.

So why aren't you on board?

Because someone you dislike is promoting it, that's why.

You're a fucking asshole who cannot see that YOU are the one harming the planet out of love for an ideology which is designed for suicide. Climate cult. Green energy CULT. They're just like every other cult that's ever existed. With the same intended outcome.

And you, like every sucker before you, swallowed the kool aid.

What a Klown you turned out to be.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Absolutely true. Depopulation is at the bottom of their plan. They know full well their policies will kill off millions upon millions of people. That is their hope but as we are beginning to see that a new order is on the horizon in Europe. Germany is in trouble, France is in trouble, and Italy is in trouble, the Netherlands is in trouble. The Euro has fallen to its weakest level against the US dollar in more than 20 years. The Eurozone is now split into several subcomponents and Nato is in trouble. The present ruling elite in Europe is about to be voted out of office, In the new and emerging reality the Eurozone will become less relevant economically, politically, and militarily.

You histrionic tinfoil hat wearing moron.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Battery recycling tech provides a max of 40% of recyclable materials. Lithium is a finite resource which requires strip mining the earth with ALL of the attendant pollution and destruction of habitat and elimination of entire species problems.

Not to mention the tons and tons of pollution it creates in manufacturing the batteries which will continue to pollute after their useful lifespan ends.

See, it seems as if it's YOU who doesn't know what the fuck you're saying. Instead you go with the latest propaganda and think that you're saving the planet when the reality is that you're the one of the people destroying it.

I'm guessing it's because you put the jerk in knee jerk. You have this tendency to spout off in opposition and then scramble to find ways to support your bullshit which only go to prove that it's bullshit and that you're nothing but an asshole.

BTW, the newest battery tech is coming out of MIT with a concrete/CARBON capacitive power storage process. CARBON, concrete and a sodium solution - all of which are in abundant supply, are non toxic, and are long lasting with no recycling issues. The tech is brand new but it works.

So much for your lithium is going to save the world crapfest.

The MIT tech is a supercapacitor, not a battery, dunce.

This is what you get from doing a quick Google search without understanding what you're talking about.

I'd assume the remainder of your post is just as ignorant.

 

[AlexBailey]

Look at you run away from your own statements.

Nuclear technology is developing and is proving to be "more effective" than anything you're promoting.

So why aren't you on board?

Because someone you dislike is promoting it, that's why.

You're a fucking asshole who cannot see that YOU are the one harming the planet out of love for an ideology which is designed for suicide. Climate cult. Green energy CULT. They're just like every other cult that's ever existed. With the same intended outcome.

And you, like every sucker before you, swallowed the kool aid.

What a Klown you turned out to be.

Swing and a miss.

Who’s promoting nukes now? I don’t even know. The last I saw of it was a push for an industry that no company will insure, that tries to minimize the risks and hazards that will continue to exist for many generations.

You keep calling me an asshole while you’re the one going on and on with the insults.

I’m a professional in renewable energy, mostly on the consumer end, but I also work with telecommunications and emergency services.

I mostly pay attention to available products and how and where they can be economically feasible - that market has grow exponentially in my nearly thirty years of experience.

I also pay some attention to scientific discoveries but I don’t implement them until I am confident in their efficacy or if a client or someone who has hired me wants to try something new.

Many of the problems you’ve brought up as issues with the industry are problems made by those who get into it purely for the profit motive.

While you’re touring energy related environmental disaster sites, keep an eye on the places fenced off for nuclear energy, but don’t forget the petroleum industry’s footprint.

Ever seen the Canadian tar-sands?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686756883598848000

"but it can't happen here...can it?"

 

[ll74]

Various alternative energy schemes are still getting funding because they're all backed with fossil fuels to make them work. When we really can't spare any fuel on subsidy dumpsters, we will start getting a clearer view of what provides more energy than it costs. Maybe next year. Nuclear fusion and all sorts of crap may get one last desperate push and then disappear.

Some proven technologies that actually work:
Handbuilt wood windmills, for pumping water, grinding flour, etc. Energy is most efficiently used in its original form, so using the kinetic energy of wind as kinetic energy for work is more efficient than converting it to electricity and back to kinetic energy in motors.
Solar water heaters, solar cookers, etc. Using sunlight as heat is low tech that can be done almost anywhere with minimal expense.
Bikes, horse-drawn wagons, etc.
Radio, newspapers, books, board/card games, and neighborhood conversation as the internet becomes too expensive.

Nuclear energy works

 

[ll74]

^Nuclear power plants exist to make bomb fuel. The electricity is a side gig and cover for the bombs. And the world is running out of uranium. That sometimes leads to the mention of thorium as more abundant, shorter half life, and not used yet because there's no bomb fuel in it. But many nations around the world are struggling to keep lights on and still not building thorium reactors. It's not cost effective. Nuclear energy propaganda works in some nations that can still blow $billions on vanity projects.

Incorrect. Nuclear power exists to make nuclear power.

Yes, many nations want to nurture that for offensive weapons, but that doesn't negate the energy output that occurs.

And that's not propaganda, it's literally what happens with a nuclear power plant.

In other words, you're full of shit because you believe the fear mongering "nuclear war" trope bullshit

 

[ll74]

^That is a common reaction. Without some miraculous energy source to replace fossil fuels, many toys and luxuries will disappear forever. It's the end of a way of life. But you're frequently hostile about many topics. That won't end well for you.

Wtf are you on about? Nuclear power is one of the cleanest sources of energy we have. Yes, humans require energy to operate our mechanisms that we've come to rely on. No, those things won't "disappear forever"

You've been watching too many dystopian movies.

 

[AlexBailey]

Wtf are you on about? Nuclear power is one of the cleanest sources of energy we have. Yes, humans require energy to operate our mechanisms that we've come to rely on. No, those things won't "disappear forever"

You've been watching too many dystopian movies.

Sure nuclear power is “clean” when everything goes right.

Good thing nothing ever goes wrong, and thank god no war-mongering psychopath or terrorist would ever target a nuclear power station - or waste facility - or military asset.

Putin is invading Ukraine because he wants to take it. Do you think every aggressor or defender will be so considerate?

Every nuclear facility is a potential target and a potential danger.

 

[schism666]

I would have playfully gigged him with this one:

Archaeologists Figure Out How Long Humans Have Been Burning Coal, And Its Going To Annoy Progressives​

KAY SMYTHENEWS AND COMMENTARY WRITER
August 01, 20239:58 AM ET

A study published in late July claims that humans have been using coal as a fuel source for at least 3,600 years.

Alhough some prehistoric sites appear to show use of coal as a form of combustion, research conducted in northwestern China revealed the first confirmed example of its use by modern humans. The Jirentaigoukou site in Xinjiang appears to show “selective mining, planned storage, and extensive combustion” of coal.

Coal was found in a number of different forms throughout the region, suggesting it was a commonly-used and shared resource available to the area’s inhabitants. “I imagine they must have tried burning the coal from all these sites, and then discovered some had better quality than others,” study co-author Guanghui Dong told Science.

So, why will libs hate this news? Probably because the results continue to stack up against the cringe narrative of climate change. Burning coal and oil is causing our climate to fluctuate rapidly, according to screaming children who don’t realize the planet was in a far greater state of climatological fluctuation prior to the Younger Dryas.

More left-wing torment here: https://dailycaller.com/2023/08/01/china-oldest-coal-mining-discovere

ogg knew you are a dumbass. this is like when aj invokes byron's name. byron hated aj.

 

[ll74]

Sure nuclear power is “clean” when everything goes right.

It goes right much more than it goes not right.

Good thing nothing ever goes wrong, and thank god no war-mongering psychopath or terrorist would ever target a nuclear power station - or waste facility - or military asset.

Yes, people are assholes and don stupid shit so we should not do anything ever, just in case

Putin is invading Ukraine because he wants to take it. Do you think every aggressor or defender will be so considerate?

Every nuclear facility is a potential target and a potential danger.

Nuclear weapons are a thing regardless of how many nuclear plants you create for energy.

But yah...climate change and such is an existential threat to humanity....let's not do things that address it because of things we're scared of for stupid reasons

 

[AlexBailey]

It goes right much more than it goes not right.

Yes, people are assholes and don stupid shit so we should not do anything ever, just in case


Nuclear weapons are a thing regardless of how many nuclear plants you create for energy.

But yah...climate change and such is an existential threat to humanity....let's not do things that address it because of things we're scared of for stupid reasons

There is a lot we can do that we aren’t yet doing that is much safer.

Our biggest problem with renewable energy is need for large scale storage. There are options available now that aren’t being done because business interests can’t figure out how to make it profitable yet.

Large scale pumped water storage systems can be safely built and maintained without hazardous waste - no toxic mining, no toxic material transportation, no toxic storage, no contamination from spills.

https://energypost.eu/gravity-batteries-any-nation-can-do-it-at-scale-using-rocks/

The most promising model is an underground silo where water is pumped to lift a heavy piston to store energy which is harvested as needed through hydro electricity.


The biggest problem so far is figuring out how someone can make money off of it. It’s storage, not production.

I have great hope for nuclear fusion. Fusion uses and produces far fewer hazards than fission. Investing in large scale fission is just another way of kicking the can down the road.

 

[ll74]

There is a lot we can do that we aren’t yet doing that is much safer.

Our biggest problem with renewable energy is need for large scale storage. There are options available now that aren’t being done because business interests can’t figure out how to make it profitable yet.

Large scale pumped water storage systems can be safely built and maintained without hazardous waste - no toxic mining, no toxic material transportation, no toxic storage, no contamination from spills.

https://energypost.eu/gravity-batteries-any-nation-can-do-it-at-scale-using-rocks/

The most promising model is an underground silo where water is pumped to lift a heavy piston to store energy which is harvested as needed through hydro electricity.


The biggest problem so far is figuring out how someone can make money off of it. It’s storage, not production.

I have great hope for nuclear fusion. Fusion uses and produces far fewer hazards than fission. Investing in large scale fission is just another way of kicking the can down the road.

The safety of nuclear power (fission or fusion) is much higher than you seem to believe. And it addressed a huge need to eliminate coal.

 

[AlexBailey]

The safety of nuclear power (fission or fusion) is much higher than you seem to believe. And it addressed a huge need to eliminate coal.

Fusion is much safer. We’re getting there.

Outline your plan for security of fission sites, spent fuel, and waste water. Convince me that a bombed generation IV power plant or it’s related waste facility won’t be a problem for generations to come. They are designed to be able to shut down safely on their own without “active” cooling, but large scale damage can also destroy their ability to cool passively.


Storage facilities like I described can be built nearly anywhere and can be on line as fast as fission plants.

 

[AlexBailey]

Fusion is no closer now than it was decades ago, despite the constant work on it and billions of dollars thrown at it. Fusion advocates need to say there is progress on it to continue the money flow.

Does anyone remember the news one or two years ago about a reaction time doubling the previous record? It was something like five seconds. The heat of the reaction destroyed the chamber. That's the beginning of why we will never have nuclear fusion as a planet-bound energy source. It needs the mass and heat of a sun to sustain the reaction.

Yeah, fusion is still a work in progress.

Meanwhile large scale storage is a ready off-the-shelf technology.

Storage allows renewables to produce energy when it is available for use when needed on a large scale. It also allows petroleum fired generators to operate at their ideal efficiency.

Meanwhile there are many simple techniques for better use of domestic energy that are not being used. I won’t bother to go into them here.

Interesting fact:
Even at consumer scale it can be more efficient to use a petroleum fueled generator to charge an electric vehicle than it is to drive a petroleum powered vehicle. A generator can operate at the ideal power efficiency while the engine of a vehicle is rarely in its best power curve.

A modern petroleum fired turbine generator is far more efficient than any piston generator.

 

[HisArpy]

Swing and a miss.

Who’s promoting nukes now? I don’t even know. The last I saw of it was a push for an industry that no company will insure, that tries to minimize the risks and hazards that will continue to exist for many generations.

Georgia just brought a new nuclear reactor online. Or didn't you know that while spouting your expertise on all things energy?

You keep calling me an asshole while you’re the one going on and on with the insults.

Once an asshole, always an asshole. Pointing that out so everyone understands that you're an asshole isn't an insult.

I’m a professional in renewable energy, mostly on the consumer end, but I also work with telecommunications and emergency services.

I mostly pay attention to available products and how and where they can be economically feasible - that market has grow exponentially in my nearly thirty years of experience.

I also pay some attention to scientific discoveries but I don’t implement them until I am confident in their efficacy or if a client or someone who has hired me wants to try something new.

And yet Georgia JUST BROUGHT ONLINE a new nuclear power plant. #3 in a 4 generator station with #4 in the approval stages.

So much for your vaunted "professional in renewable energy" expertise. What you do is hawk "green energy" to stupid shits who believe your hype without facts and a quick glossing over of the truth that Green Energy is HARMING THE PLANET by killing keystone species and contributing to global warming through the manufacturing process of the components at a MUCH HIGHER RATE than fossil fuels.

Many of the problems you’ve brought up as issues with the industry are problems made by those who get into it purely for the profit motive.

Like you, Mr. professional green energy salesman?

While you’re touring energy related environmental disaster sites, keep an eye on the places fenced off for nuclear energy, but don’t forget the petroleum industry’s footprint.

Ever seen the Canadian tar-sands?
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Hey, why aren't you showing pictures of iron mines? Or bauxite mines? Or copper mines? What about pictures of the smelters and forges needed to make the steel for all that "green" energy?

Note that I'm not saying that fossil fuels are "clean" I'm saying that you tend to speak out of both sides of your mouth when it comes to fossil fuels compared to "green energy."

Meanwhile nuclear energy is available and relatively non polluting when compared to the other energy sources being promoted.

 

[AlexBailey]

Georgia just brought a new nuclear reactor online. Or didn't you know that while spouting your expertise on all things energy?



Once an asshole, always an asshole. Pointing that out so everyone understands that you're an asshole isn't an insult.



And yet Georgia JUST BROUGHT ONLINE a new nuclear power plant. #3 in a 4 generator station with #4 in the approval stages.

So much for your vaunted "professional in renewable energy" expertise. What you do is hawk "green energy" to stupid shits who believe your hype without facts and a quick glossing over of the truth that Green Energy is HARMING THE PLANET by killing keystone species and contributing to global warming through the manufacturing process of the components at a MUCH HIGHER RATE than fossil fuels.




Like you, Mr. professional green energy salesman?



Hey, why aren't you showing pictures of iron mines? Or bauxite mines? Or copper mines? What about pictures of the smelters and forges needed to make the steel for all that "green" energy?

Note that I'm not saying that fossil fuels are "clean" I'm saying that you tend to speak out of both sides of your mouth when it comes to fossil fuels compared to "green energy."

Meanwhile nuclear energy is available and relatively non polluting when compared to the other energy sources being promoted.

Any insult coming from you is laughable. They say way more about your addled mind than they do about me.

Do you know that a large percentage of American solar panels are produced in Georgia?

Why do you criticize my use of cost effective renewable technologies? My main customers are off-grid where my work directly offsets petro-generator runtime.

I’m not under any illusions that we can stop all petroleum use anytime soon, but I see the steps we can take in that direction and I help implement them.

A big part of my business is efficiency rather than production. I would make a lot more money by up-selling for more production than I do by looking at the clients needs and providing solutions that produce better ROIs.

Meanwhile I’m always on the look out for cleaner technology. I use higher voltage transmission when I can while avoiding use of transformers which consume large amounts of idle current. This helps keep wire size down- less copper.I design systems so any petroleum use is done within the best power curve possible.

I’m probably going to buy a Rivian EV truck for my business before the ends of the year.

What do you do with energy besides consume it?

 

[Raazor]

I would have playfully gigged him with this one:

Archaeologists Figure Out How Long Humans Have Been Burning Coal, And Its Going To Annoy Progressives​

KAY SMYTHENEWS AND COMMENTARY WRITER
August 01, 20239:58 AM ET

A study published in late July claims that humans have been using coal as a fuel source for at least 3,600 years.

Alhough some prehistoric sites appear to show use of coal as a form of combustion, research conducted in northwestern China revealed the first confirmed example of its use by modern humans. The Jirentaigoukou site in Xinjiang appears to show “selective mining, planned storage, and extensive combustion” of coal.

Coal was found in a number of different forms throughout the region, suggesting it was a commonly-used and shared resource available to the area’s inhabitants. “I imagine they must have tried burning the coal from all these sites, and then discovered some had better quality than others,” study co-author Guanghui Dong told Science.

So, why will libs hate this news? Probably because the results continue to stack up against the cringe narrative of climate change. Burning coal and oil is causing our climate to fluctuate rapidly, according to screaming children who don’t realize the planet was in a far greater state of climatological fluctuation prior to the Younger Dryas.

More left-wing torment here: https://dailycaller.com/2023/08/01/china-oldest-coal-mining-discovere

A dumb article and an even dumber thread. You got to marvel at the moronic mindset that decided to write both.

 

[HisArpy]

Any insult coming from you is laughable. They say way more about your addled mind than they do about me.

Do you know that a large percentage of American solar panels are produced in Georgia?

Why do you criticize my use of cost effective renewable technologies? My main customers are off-grid where my work directly offsets petro-generator runtime.

I’m not under any illusions that we can stop all petroleum use anytime soon, but I see the steps we can take in that direction and I help implement them.

A big part of my business is efficiency rather than production. I would make a lot more money by up-selling for more production than I do by looking at the clients needs and providing solutions that produce better ROIs.

Meanwhile I’m always on the look out for cleaner technology. I use higher voltage transmission when I can while avoiding use of transformers which consume large amounts of idle current. This helps keep wire size down- less copper.I design systems so any petroleum use is done within the best power curve possible.

I’m probably going to buy a Rivian EV truck for my business before the ends of the year.

What do you do with energy besides consume it?

It's not my fault you're stupid.

I say that because it's obvious that you don't think of the ramifications of what you do or how it affects the lives of people other than your customers.

You, like most of the frantic stupid assholes who keep trying to promote "green energy," have failed to do anything except look out for your own best interests while trying to lie to yourselves that your best interests are the best interests of the rest of the planet too.

If that were the case, there wouldn't be any conflict anywhere on the globe. Which, in effect, SHOULD tell you that your ideals are hot garbage.

What I do with energy is irrelevant to your promotion of destructive and harmful sources of energy. The energy is there, I use it. That doesn't mean I'm irresponsible with it or ignorant of the fact that there are better sources of energy out there than the crap you promote here and IRL.

You are the person you rail against when it comes to energy and pollution. YOU, not me.

 

[AlexBailey]

It's not my fault you're stupid.

I say that because it's obvious that you don't think of the ramifications of what you do or how it affects the lives of people other than your customers.

You, like most of the frantic stupid assholes who keep trying to promote "green energy," have failed to do anything except look out for your own best interests while trying to lie to yourselves that your best interests are the best interests of the rest of the planet too.

If that were the case, there wouldn't be any conflict anywhere on the globe. Which, in effect, SHOULD tell you that your ideals are hot garbage.

What I do with energy is irrelevant to your promotion of destructive and harmful sources of energy. The energy is there, I use it. That doesn't mean I'm irresponsible with it or ignorant of the fact that there are better sources of energy out there than the crap you promote here and IRL.

You are the person you rail against when it comes to energy and pollution. YOU, not me.

You’d be funny if you weren’t such an embarrassment of a human.