I Miss Ogg

[stxjimmy]

We produce the cleanest energy in the World right here in America. Left-wing illusions about energy production is driving up prices and destroying economies and food production in Europe and elsewhere.

Tar sands
Fracking
Appalachian Coal

Are you sure?

 

[Raazor]

You're trying to argue with Newtonian physics. Which only shows that your posts aren't based in reality but ideology.

Perhaps you should change from worshiping an idol to something more redeeming.

No, I’m arguing with your post. Try and keep up.

 

[HisArpy]

No, I’m arguing with your post. Try and keep up.

My post was about physics. If you think it was about something else, then you need to elucidate the rest of us about what's going on in your head besides just issuing proclamations of disbelief.

 

[AlexBailey]

"Not much" isn't "none."

I wonder how much "not much" harm is done when it's an entire cargo ship of EV's turning into flaming pyres?

https://www.theinformation.com/arti...-concern-for-evs-fires-aboard-transport-ships

https://www.businessinsider.com/shi...s-coast-fire-concerns-ev-battery-risks-2023-7


What I find strange is your dismissal that I somehow lack the curiosity to know about those EV battery ship fires. I know! Even when I hand you your hat almost every time regardless of subject matter, it has to be because I'm one of those evil fossil fuel using lawyers who isn't ever correct or knowledgeable on anything I post. Right?

That HAS to be it. Fucking lawyers... Whodathunk that lawyers would be in the business of uncovering FACTS instead of lies?

Yeah, assholes like Musk keep using Lithium Cobalt rather than the safer and nontoxic Lithium Ferrous Phosphate technology.

Lithium cobalt is dangerous. While some manufacturers like Tesla prefer it because of its 15% higher energy density (more energy per weight) It can be subject to thermal runaway, ignition upon shorting, it’s toxic especially after fires.

Lithium Ferrous Phosphate (LFP) doesn’t have those problems, it can handle more total cycles and is commonly used by many other manufacturers for other transportation and stationary uses.


I’ve helped with clean up after wildfires took out some of my installations. FEMA was concerned about toxic cleanup with the Lithium batteries until I produced the HAZMAT data. After that they didn’t require any cleaning besides debris removal while Lithium Cobalt sites required several feet of topsoil removal and special disposal.

The EV manufacturer Rivian has committed to using LFP for their entire product line before the end of 2023.


Really Harpy, just fuck off. You are willfully ignorant and obviously tapped into anti-environmental talking points.

 

[AlexBailey]

"Not much" isn't "none."

I wonder how much "not much" harm is done when it's an entire cargo ship of EV's turning into flaming pyres?

https://www.theinformation.com/arti...-concern-for-evs-fires-aboard-transport-ships

https://www.businessinsider.com/shi...s-coast-fire-concerns-ev-battery-risks-2023-7


What I find strange is your dismissal that I somehow lack the curiosity to know about those EV battery ship fires. I know! Even when I hand you your hat almost every time regardless of subject matter, it has to be because I'm one of those evil fossil fuel using lawyers who isn't ever correct or knowledgeable on anything I post. Right?

That HAS to be it. Fucking lawyers... Whodathunk that lawyers would be in the business of uncovering FACTS instead of lies?

Yeah, assholes like Musk keep using Lithium Cobalt rather than the safer and nontoxic Lithium Ferrous Phosphate technology.

Lithium cobalt is dangerous. While some manufacturers like Tesla prefer it because of its 15% higher energy density (more energy per weight) It can be subject to thermal runaway, ignition upon shorting, it’s toxic especially after fires.

Lithium Ferrous Phosphate (LFP) doesn’t have those problems, it can handle more total cycles and is commonly used by many other manufacturers for other transportation and stationary uses.


I’ve helped with clean up after wildfires took out some of my installations. FEMA was concerned about toxic cleanup with the Lithium batteries until I produced the HAZMAT data. After that they didn’t require any cleaning besides debris removal while Lithium Cobalt sites required several feet of topsoil removal and special disposal.

The EV manufacturer Rivian has committed to using LFP for their entire product line before the end of 2023.


Really Harpy, just fuck off. You are willfully ignorant and obviously tapped into anti-environmental talking points.

Here’s a tip for you as an attorney:

Why don’t you file suit against the manufacturers of vehicles that have battery fires, seeking damages in the amount of extra money they’ve made by choosing the more dangerous battery technology over the readily available and safer LFP batteries.

 

[HisArpy]

Here’s a tip for you as an attorney:

Why don’t you file suit against the manufacturers of vehicles that have battery fires, seeking damages in the amount of extra money they’ve made by choosing the more dangerous battery technology over the readily available and safer LFP batteries.

That's not a "tip" it's just more of your butthurt showing how immature you are.

Not that it's unexpected, I'm just surprised that after all the practice you've had in throwing bullshit all over the place that you still aren't any better at it. I guess practice doesn't make perfect after all. At least not in your case anyway.

 

[AlexBailey]

That's not a "tip" it's just more of your butthurt showing how immature you are.

Not that it's unexpected, I'm just surprised that after all the practice you've had in throwing bullshit all over the place that you still aren't any better at it. I guess practice doesn't make perfect after all. At least not in your case anyway.

Please explain your post above in context to my last post.

Are you really that obtuse?

 

[HisArpy]

Please explain your post above in context to my last post.

Are you really that obtuse?

Don't tell me...

in addition to your statements that you're a wimpy effeminate man, who has demonstrable issues with his mental health, you're now also claiming to be schizophrenic with multiple personalities who don't talk to each other?

Really?

dude, I'm sorry for giving you such a hard time. I didn't know how fucked up you really were.

 

[RoryN]

Weird title for a thread for which its obvious function has absolutely nothing to do with missing Ogg.

Branding.

Reichguide's name means less than nothing. He's shit. So, he's trying to piggyback.

Overstock.com -> Bed Bath & Beyond.

 

[AlexBailey]

Don't tell me...

in addition to your statements that you're a wimpy effeminate man, who has demonstrable issues with his mental health, you're now also claiming to be schizophrenic with multiple personalities who don't talk to each other?

Really?

dude, I'm sorry for giving you such a hard time. I didn't know how fucked up you really were.

You’re a funny little man aren’t you?

Please don’t hate me because I’m prettier than any woman you’ve been with without paying an hourly rate.

I’m a healthy queer. I raised a son with mental health issues and got him on the right track. I’m aware of my issues.

How about you? You seem to have serious anger and frustration which constantly presents in your posts. Even ChatGPT identifies that.

Are you still angry at me for saying how your parents didn’t get your consent before permanently mutilating you penis without medical justification?

I apologize for that, it was very insensitive of me.

 

[HisArpy]

You’re a funny little man aren’t you?

Please don’t hate me because I’m prettier than any woman you’ve been with without paying an hourly rate.

I’m a healthy queer. I raised a son with mental health issues and got him on the right track. I’m aware of my issues.

How about you? You seem to have serious anger and frustration which constantly presents in your posts. Even ChatGPT identifies that.

Are you still angry at me for saying how your parents didn’t get your consent before permanently mutilating you penis without medical justification?

I apologize for that, it was very insensitive of me.

So, you're a nutter, who has now professed to progenating another nutter, and you think it's ME who has mental health issues?

Lol.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

So, you're a nutter, who has now professed to progenating another nutter, and you think it's ME who has mental health issues?

Lol.

It's posts like these that allow you to graduate from mere ass to full asshole.

 

[RoryN]

So, you're a nutter, who has now professed to progenating another nutter

^^^
Theme with Arpy's posts is to project his failures onto others.

I think we all could have guessed that Arpy's offspring probably ended up being garbage, like him.

Now we know. They didn't ask for him to be their dad.

 

[AlexBailey]

^^^
Theme with Arpy's posts is to project his failures onto others.

I think we all could have guessed that Arpy's offspring probably ended up being garbage, like him.

Now we know. They didn't ask for him to be their dad.

I think Harpy is in a state of declining cognition. He seems worse than ever lately.

Meanwhile, my son has learned to handle the bipolar disorder he inherited from his mother. Lithium was a big help!

 

[AlexBailey]

I have recently discovered the use of hydrogen-nickel batteries. I'm skeptical of this company, but they have a large amount of support. Hydrogen-nickel can be used in extreme environments (for example, the space station) but this company seems to be working on making it available and affordable to the masses.

I got to spend a little time looking over the link. They definitely have my attention.

“…Those aren’t the only benefits. EnerVenue’s batteries can charge and discharge at different speeds depending on a customer’s needs. It can go from a 10-minute charge or discharge to as slow as a 10-20 hour charge-discharge cycle, though the company is optimizing for a roughly two-hour charge and four- to eight-hour discharge. EnerVenue’s batteries are also designed for 30,000 cycles without experiencing a decline in performance.”


That is some bad ass performance! LFP batterie cycle ratings are 6-10k.If these batteries can really do 30k maintenance free cycles they are a game changer.

Cycled daily that’s 82 years of service compared to ~ 22 years for LFP.

Couple that with a much wider operational temperature range and competitive pricing and they could replace all other stationary batteries.

The main obstacle would be the upfront cost. Even if they are on parity with the kWh price of lithium the longer lifespan will put them near four times the initial investment.

I’ve already been making a good case for lithium at ~ 3x the upfront cost of lead acid, these will be ~ 12 times the upfront cost but they should be worth it in the long run.

I still need to see the operation voltage range to get an idea of how easy it would be to drop them into existing systems, and to figure out their their round trip cycle efficiency. The fact they don’t mention it is a flag for further research on my part.



(This is all just off the cuff from a “stupid asshole,” so be sure to consult with @HisArpy before you take my word for it)

 

[HisArpy]

(This is all just off the cuff from a “stupid asshole,” so be sure to consult with @HisArpy before you take my word for it)

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/08/04/slave-labor-is-the-secret-to-solar-powers-success-n569024

Not my fault you're a stupid asshole.

 

[RoryN]

He's referencing a site that's literally called "hot air".

(And yes, it's a bullshit MAGA rag.)

 

[AlexBailey]

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/08/04/slave-labor-is-the-secret-to-solar-powers-success-n569024

Not my fault you're a stupid asshole.

Who’s using “hotair” as a source?

The article does a great job backing up what I was saying earlier in this thread about how the market is affected by those only interested in the profit motive.

I’ve been in the business since the manufacturing was for aerospace and the main residential market was pot growing hippies. Many of my clients are interested in only using domestic products, while others are only interested in ROI.

Many of my government contracts have included specifications for sourcing, but GOP pushback on regulations removed many of those requirements in the Trump years.

.Businesses minds see the cost savings of paying the least and don’t consider the other trade offs. Use of slave labor increases profit margins, without regulations corporate interests don’t typically opt to pay more to do “the right thing.” Certainly you understand this?

There was a great panel manufacturer in Oregon that went under when certain tariffs shifted. Some of my suppliers bought up as many shipping containers as they could get before they shut down.

There are panels being made in Georgia now that come with 40 year warranties. That’s pretty damn good, especially when you factor that they typically produce more energy than they take to make within three years - But you’ll ignore that fact because doesn’t fit your narrative won’t you?

Did you skip over the intro to the link you provided? It speaks highly of exactly what I do.

From the article:

“For instance, I see solar as a useful tool for people who want to live off the grid. With a large enough energy storage system and access to emergency backup power, I think solar power could be great. A solar array on a roof with batteries could reduce one’s reliance on the grid and provide backup power during power outages, although I haven’t worked out the cost/benefits of solar vs. backup generators.“


I constantly work out the cost/benefits as course of my business, using “responsibly sourced” equipment rarely takes more than 25% longer to get into the black and many of my greenie clients go for it.


Next week I’m working on a CA state owned project with inverters manufactured in Mexico by a CA based company and solar panels sourced from San Antonio, Texas. So yeah, another questionable source.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Ogg was the only one older than your crusty ass.

 

[HisArpy]

Who’s using “hotair” as a source?

The article does a great job backing up what I was saying earlier in this thread about how the market is affected by those only interested in the profit motive.

I’ve been in the business since the manufacturing was for aerospace and the main residential market was pot growing hippies. Many of my clients are interested in only using domestic products, while others are only interested in ROI.

Many of my government contracts have included specifications for sourcing, but GOP pushback on regulations removed many of those requirements in the Trump years.

.Businesses minds see the cost savings of paying the least and don’t consider the other trade offs. Use of slave labor increases profit margins, without regulations corporate interests don’t typically opt to pay more to do “the right thing.” Certainly you understand this?

There was a great panel manufacturer in Oregon that went under when certain tariffs shifted. Some of my suppliers bought up as many shipping containers as they could get before they shut down.

There are panels being made in Georgia now that come with 40 year warranties. That’s pretty damn good, especially when you factor that they typically produce more energy than they take to make within three years - But you’ll ignore that fact because doesn’t fit your narrative won’t you?

Did you skip over the intro to the link you provided? It speaks highly of exactly what I do.

From the article:

“For instance, I see solar as a useful tool for people who want to live off the grid. With a large enough energy storage system and access to emergency backup power, I think solar power could be great. A solar array on a roof with batteries could reduce one’s reliance on the grid and provide backup power during power outages, although I haven’t worked out the cost/benefits of solar vs. backup generators.“


I constantly work out the cost/benefits as course of my business, using “responsibly sourced” equipment rarely takes more than 25% longer to get into the black and many of my greenie clients go for it.


Next week I’m working on a CA state owned project with inverters manufactured in Mexico by a CA based company and solar panels sourced from San Antonio, Texas. So yeah, another questionable source.

You spin, you spin, and you spin but the FACT is, green energy is inefficient. Just like when southern plantations grew cotton and the only way to make it financially viable was to enslave the workers, green energy enslaves it's workers.

And you're good with it because you personally benefit from it while lying about how good it is for the world. You tout your bona fides as if all the underpinnings of your industry don't matter because you personally don't do any of the dirty work.

Well, neither did the gin mills or weavers of that slave picked cotton.

That didn't mean they weren't just as culpable. Or that you aren't either.

 

[AlexBailey]

You spin, you spin, and you spin but the FACT is, green energy is inefficient. Just like when southern plantations grew cotton and the only way to make it financially viable was to enslave the workers, green energy enslaves it's workers.

And you're good with it because you personally benefit from it while lying about how good it is for the world. You tout your bona fides as if all the underpinnings of your industry don't matter because you personally don't do any of the dirty work.

Well, neither did the gin mills or weavers of that slave picked cotton.

That didn't mean they weren't just as culpable. Or that you aren't either.

Wow, you’re an idiot.

I know who I am, what I do, and why I do it. You act like the world is a court room and it’s your job to impugn anyone for anything that doesn’t fit your agenda.

Go tug yourself silly little man.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Wow, you’re an idiot.

I know who I am, what I do, and why I do it. You act like the world is a court room and it’s your job to impugn anyone for anything that doesn’t fit your agenda.

Go tug yourself silly little man.

Hey, remember, Harpy is a mathematical idiot. He's the type of person to choose "100% of nothing", vs "10, 15, or 20% of something". Simple because 100% sounds "bigger",therefore it's better.

 

[HisArpy]

Wow, you’re an idiot.

I know who I am, what I do, and why I do it. You act like the world is a court room and it’s your job to impugn anyone for anything that doesn’t fit your agenda.

Go tug yourself silly little man.

Not my fault you're an idiot.

 

[KeithD]

It's also not your call. You lost the right to call anyone else an idiot a very long time ago.

 

[AlexBailey]

Not my fault you're an idiot.

It’s your fault you’re an obdurate shit for brains.

Your intellectual dishonesty and lack of curiosity keep you from learning.

You brought up points about the issues of lithium mining and declared it’s a problem with the renewables industry - I and others posted about industry innovations that are providing viable alternatives.

You mentioned dangers associated with lithium batteries - I pointed out how LFP chemistry is non toxic and does not have those problems, and how I don’t use the more dangerous Lithium Cobalt chemistry.

You mentioned how slave labor is in use in some renewables manufacturing - I pointed out how while that may be the case for some manufacturers whose only motive is the bottoms line, they are easily avoided and responsible sourcing is readily available - and I don’t use those sources.

You accuse me of being blind to these issues yet I explained the issues in detail because I understand them.



You’ve had every opportunity to educate yourself on these issues but you choose not to. Fact check anything I’ve said about energy on this thread then go fuck yourself you indolent moron.