I know what, we'll do a Brit one now...

p_p_man

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Why does Tony Blair jump in at the deep end without looking and support the US over bin Laden.

He did it in the name of the British people but all the polls showed he didn't get support for his action. And now, a few weeks later, he's getting even less.

He was voted in on a ticket of correcting the social injustices that the right wing Conservative Party were allowed to introduce during their 13 years in power.

He's done very little in that direction. His first term of office showed his party following the previous Government's policies, (mind you he did say he was going to do that), and this time in his second term of office he has surrended his dignity and the dignity of the British people by becoming the messenger boy of that bloke on the other side of the Atlantic.

He promised shorter hospital waiting lists.
He promised "education, education, education".
He cut the benefits of the disabled and then had to hastily replace them when he was faced with severe opposition.
He's allowed immigration to run so much out of control that even his Governemnt admits they don't know exactly how many immigrants there are in the country and even where they are!

He's promised many thing and produced little.

And now, when he should be looking after the interests of Britain he's set himself up as some sort of world statesman trotting around the Middle East with Bush's mailbag in tow.

What the hell is he trying to do? We know what terrorism is all about. We know that the Middle East won't come to terms with a peace settlement until America changes its policy towards Israel. Yet off he goes grinning like a Cheshire Cat and thinking he would be made welcome wherever he went.

Well he wasn't was he. Short shrift in Syria, cold shouldered in Israel, trated like the messenger boy, which he is, in Saudi, and they're only the ones that got reported.

It's alright trying to keep a fast crumbling coalition going for the sake of his ambitions to be accepted as a world statesman. But it's not alright when the support for his Government is rapidly crumbling back home.

Don't forget Tony the people put you in for a purpose. Do it and do it right or we'll make sure there will be a new, proper socialist, occupying No 10...

Come back home and get on with the job you were elected to do.


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It's called facing the inevitable...

What other choice did he have? Realistically Bin Liner only had two major targets in his hemisphere, the US and the UK. He took on the biggest and baddest and so he is on a hiding to nothing. Do you really think he would hesitate to have a crack at Britain? If so you are a fool.

Blair acted in the best interests of his country. He has offered the SAS among other units to the war effort. The SAS were the troops who were mainly responsible for training the Mujahideen during their fight against the Russians in the 80's

The IRA were often in Afghanistan making use of training camps. What makes you think that Bin Laden would hesitate to call in favours from terrorists on your own isles, that he has helped fund in the past... You might not like Blair or his politics, but he has done the right thing standing by the US in its time of need. Not just for the US but for the UK as well.
 
hey pp man!!!

did you vote for tony blair?
because i sure as hell fucking didnt .
we have gone from maggie thatcher ........you knew which side of the fence she was on
to john major .........splinters in his arse from sitting on the fence
to tony [president] blair.........wanting to stand on both sides of the damn fence
tony blair is only interested in becoming a world statesman and nothing else.
incidentally pp man the opinion polls still show that over 60% of the british people [excluding bradford and southall] are in favour of the bombing war
can you tell me the last time a british government was voted in with that much support?
[heres a clue .....NEVER]
KEEP UP THE CARPET BOMBING the northern alliances t55's are ready to roll
 
Come on America - defend him. He's your bloody ally...

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Even with all the news I watch and read I really don't keep up enough with the UK. The US media is so shitty it is hard to find good international news easily. I have lists of foreign newspapers that I can get online, but rarely spend the time to wade through them. Not all of them are English language either so that does not help. If it is spanish i can slug my way through with the help of a Dictionary but thats it.

I wish I could offer forth some more debate, but I really don't know enough on the subject to say much.
 
Good morning p_p_man

Grins and leaves quietly.:rolleyes:
 
Azwed said:
Even with all the news I watch and read I really don't keep up enough with the UK. The US media is so shitty it is hard to find good international news easily. I have lists of foreign newspapers that I can get online, but rarely spend the time to wade through them. Not all of them are English language either so that does not help. If it is spanish i can slug my way through with the help of a Dictionary but thats it.

I wish I could offer forth some more debate, but I really don't know enough on the subject to say much.


www.thetimes.co.uk

If you really want to see what's happening in the UK try clicking on the above link. It's for The Times newspaper and a glance at the headlines is enough to keep you generally informed.

I'm registered with the New York Times, which I think is the better paper, for that reason. Keeps me up-to-date with news as the US sees it.


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p_p_man

Would you rather have,'I told you so'?.

However,you are right on one point.

Yes,let's have a socialist government.
 
I agree with the mad scientist and he has my full support in all his scientific activities. Us mad scientists have to stick together.
 
As a fully liscensed cardio-vascular surgeon I'd have to say I'm opposed to the general idea of Tony Blair.
 
Problem Child said:
I agree with the mad scientist and he has my full support in all his scientific activities. Us mad scientists have to stick together.
I vant your avatar... He iz zo me!

(I have a zecond choize, though...)
 
As a mad scientist bent on world domination, I must urge you to use your av and leave mine alone.
 
Is that it? Is that the America's best shot?

What a load of crap.

Especially from you PC. You sound as if you're out of your depth and are resorting to childish little one liners with a bloke posting in what he thinks is a German accent. I suppose it is if your only educational source is Hollywood.

Come on now. I've done this for you, and for miles and maybe mensa and everyone else who thinks I kick the bollocks out of America for a reason.

Well this thread is the reason. If I talk about the UK and British politics nobody would know enough to reply. Especially my little band of heroic friends. Well go on. Prove me wrong...

So come PC, let's see what you're made of, have a go at Britain!

:p
 
Vat a Fooktard. Who gives a shit about your pitiful little island with the fooking Queen? Ve have a Kaiser!
 
Ze Mad Zientist said:
Vat a Fooktard. Who gives a shit about your pitiful little island with the fooking Queen? Ve have a Kaiser!

Now, now Mad Zientist you know Germany is a democracy know. They have a chancellor! Wait.....
 
ohh look at the date :) I say Guy Fawkes had a good idea!

Good ol' Tony thought that by playing the war leader,
he would be a hero and that would cover him for the
distasterous management of foot and mouth and the previous years 'fuel crisis'

Although I think action had to be taken against afganistan,
its all a bit gung ho, new sherrif in town, and perhaps they
should have thought harder before going in hard.

Tonys a smarmy git. I didnt vote for him nor the others
cos they were just as bad, I assume my vote scrawled
as "bastards" was considered as a spoilt ballet...

Ah well you get what you pay for.

c.
 
You get what you pay for

No,no,no you don't.

I didn't pay a penny for the load of crap we have.

Always knew freebies were a waste of time. :mad:
 
And

Can you imagine the shambles we'd have if our illustrous and
erudite deputy PM ever became PM.

The cringe factor is terrific.
 
Well I still can't see many Americans...

staunchly defending the only true ally you have. Even if a lot of Brits do think he's a weasel who's too soft to be a proper Prime Minister.

So I'll keep kicking this upstairs until it goes through one more night on the Boards.

Who knows maybe our Tony has got some pals over the pond willing to defend him...




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Well, at last count there were 300 Brits working in the WTC that haven't been found yet. It's been almost two months so you know they aren't exactly alive right now.

Perhaps Blair has the balls to take a stand no matter how unpopular. Frankly, I didn't think he had it in him and I'm rather shocked that he continues to do so despite the "it's not our problem-ism" that seems to be sweeping one of our closest allies.

Can Blair continue with his support of the US despite the general distaste for Bush and his politics and the general disapproval of his actions? Bear in mind that the terrorists don't like Britian either. Bush finally gets the US to get around to doing something regarding the whole IRA mess despite Clintonian politics that was chock full of the IRA? Not my problem-ism. I have hopes that Bush will do more regarding the IRA and the idiots in the US who support it. He'll have to if the stance on terrorism is going to be as strong as he wants it to be.

Right now is the time when people will have to get off the fence. Blair did that. He made a decision and seems to be seeing it through. Isn't that what a leader is supposed to do? Or do you think Taliban supported terrorist training camps that teach the IRA how to bomb all ya'll is a good thing?
 
While Tony bashing is great fun and although I can't abide the fellow I have to agree with KM about him at present.

Maybe he is trying to project the image of a world statesman
but. for whatever reason,he is right to give the US all the
support available.
 
Blair is scum.
The Labour Party is scum.
Stephen Byers is scum.
John Prescott is scum.
Jo Moore is scum.
Jackass Straw is scum.
 
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