I just wonder ... Bush v's Gore?

[Nicole]

I watched a press conference this morning between George W Bush and the President of France (I don't want to fuck up his name so I won't say it) ... anyway it got me to thinking ....

Do you think that Al Gore would have been able to deal with what has happened, and what are you reasons for your answers?

I personally don't think he would have, he doesn't to me seem to have the balls to deal with something of this scale ... after all the whole world is behind America right at this point, and I'm not too sure that Al Gore would have been able to deal with that ... he comes across as being more your puppet in my eyes, where as I think that George W Bush is doing well right now and I tend to agree with all that he has said.

Now remember that I'm in Australia, and I know very little about either of these men, this is just my point of view.

 

[Chuckus]

Hi Nicole,

I am not going to bite unfortunately. Not for me to say. Who knows........sorry.

Nice seein ya though.

 

[WriterDom]

I don't know if I could stand hearing Gore talk about making airplanes "lockboxes." But in my opinion, and I admit I'm biased, I think the strength of Bush Vs Gore in this situation is not so much between the men themselves but in the teams that they have/would assembled.

Besides, Gore ran the worst campaign in American history.

 

[Nicole]

Thanks and I totally understand people not wanting to answer, and seriously we see very little of either here in AUS, we still see mostly Clinton, I just like the way Bush has stood up to this.

Thanks for answering .... WriterDom, I agree with what you said, it's not them per say but the teams of people around them.

 

[pabloback]

from over here it looks like bush has a strong team and is doing very well

 

[Basia]

Bush is doing a good job and all, but I'm a Democrat, so I have to say that Gore would have done it better and/or it would never have happened if Gore was in office.

 

[Chuckus]

Thanks and I totally understand people not wanting to answer, and seriously we see very little of either here in AUS, we still see mostly Clinton, I just like the way Bush has stood up to this.

Thanks for answering .... WriterDom, I agree with what you said, it's not them per say but the teams of people around them.

Thanks Nikki, I just cannot get into "Who woulda done better in this situation" debate at this time. I know you don't mean any harm by it but I just can't do it, even though I know what my answer would be.......and yes I too like the way Bush has stood up. He is not perfect, he is human and it does show, not some robot saying "Yada yada yada yada........." all the time.

 

[Nicole]

That's what I mean Pablo, he looks and sounds strong, I don't really think from what I've seen of him that Gore could have done that.

I'm not picking fights and like it has been said you don't know until it happens with that person, I just feel that the world should be happy that it's Bush that's in right now and not Gore.

 

[Nicole]

Bush is doing a good job and all, but I'm a Democrat, so I have to say that Gore would have done it better and/or it would never have happened if Gore was in office.

From reports here, this was in the planning for three years, no matter who was in, this would of happened. I happen to think it would have been worse had Gore been in ... I liked Clinton, but Gore just seems too fake to me.

Sorry, just my thoughts.

 

[WriterDom]

From reports here, this was in the planning for three years, no matter who was in, this would of happened. I happen to think it would have been worse had Gore been in ... I liked Clinton, but Gore just seems too fake to me.

Sorry, just my thoughts.

Beard or no beard, politically gore is dead unless he wants to move to NY.

 

[MissTaken]

Actually, I had been wondering when this thread would be posted and have given the issue some thought.

I thank God that Bush is in office. I don't know how Gore would have handled it, however, my instinct says he may not have been as decisive or firm as Bush has been. I think he might have taken a bit of time deciphering the politics of the issue and been a bit more careful about who he would piss off. While diplomacy can be a strength in an administration, there are times when swift action is necessary.

I also think that Gore's pompous, plastic, presentation (opinion) would not have gone far to help Americans heal.

 

[morninggirl5]

I'll bite the bullet and give you an answer Nicole.

Simply as the President, the reaction to the tragedy and giving support to the American people, Gore would have done an acceptable job. I truly don't believe he would have been able to meet with individuals and the rescue workers in the same way that Bush did, simply because he is a different personality. Gore would have met with them, shook their hands and thanked them for their efforts. Bush with his more approachable style and presence gave those men more, he was able to reach them on their level, as a person, as well as their President.

Beyond those interactions, I don't believe Gore would have handled this crisis well at all. Vice President Cheyney and Secretary of State Powell are the exact people I want backing our President and giving him advice and information at this time. They are both experienced in matters of defense and they both have that most important real world experience in war. Joe Liebermann doesn't have that experience and whomever Gore would have chosen for Secretary of State certainly wouldn't have either.


Basia, if you believe that terrorists care who is the President and change their plans based on who wins elections, you really need to do some research on their motives, methods, and beliefs. The United States itself, all her people, all her institutions, and all her principles are evil to these terrorists. They don't distinguish between any of us. You and I are just as evil to them as President Bush, President Clinton (whose face they used as targets by the way), the men and women of the USS Cole and our ambassadors in Africa. Simply because we are an American, WE ALL are the enemy.

 

[Nicole]

I'll bite the bullet and give you an answer Nicole.

Simply as the President, the reaction to the tragedy and giving support to the American people, Gore would have done an acceptable job. I truly don't believe he would have been able to meet with individuals and the rescue workers in the same way that Bush did, simply because he is a different personality. Gore would have met with them, shook their hands and thanked them for their efforts. Bush with his more approachable style and presence gave those men more, he was able to reach them on their level, as a person, as well as their President.

Beyond those interactions, I don't believe Gore would have handled this crisis well at all. Vice President Cheyney and Secretary of State Powell are the exact people I want backing our President and giving him advice and information at this time. They are both experienced in matters of defense and they both have that most important real world experience in war. Joe Liebermann doesn't have that experience and whomever Gore would have chosen for Secretary of State certainly wouldn't have either.


Basia, if you believe that terrorists care who is the President and change their plans based on who wins elections, you really need to do some research on their motives, methods, and beliefs. The United States itself, all her people, all her institutions, and all her principles are evil to these terrorists. They don't distinguish between any of us. You and I are just as evil to them as President Bush, President Clinton (whose face they used as targets by the way), the men and women of the USS Cole and our ambassadors in Africa. Simply because we are an American, WE ALL are the enemy.

Thank-you.

What a wonderful well said post, I don't fully understand American Politics, but this issue is something that the whole world will be behind and all I was doing was giving forward how I see the two men.

Thank-you all for your responses.

 

[shadowsource]

Okay....

Hi Nicole!

This event was planned long before our election, so OBL and crew didn't care one whit as to who might be president.

I believe Gore's goal would have been much the same as Bush's: To achieve maximal political advantage in recovering from what I am convinced would have been a shaky start for each. Both would have known that military action is necessary, and both would have tried to get in front of America's enraged parade.

Theatrically, Gore would have stumbled more in playing to the American public. As someone above observed, he never could have hit it off with the rescue workers the way Bush did.

Internationally, Gore would not have rattled potential allies with his unnecessarily bellicose cracks. And he would have visited a mosque quicker to forestall attacks on Muslims (though Bush's voice might have more influence over what are likely to be rather conservative bullies).

Both might well fail at mounting a campaign effective enough to disable the terror network in question. Both might fail at reassuring a recession-bound nation that security and prosperity can be regained.

I fear neither is up to this extraordinarily difficult job. I wonder sometimes if McCain might have been. I wish Clinton (whose previous attack on OBL was dismal in planning and effect) were still president, as I think he could have handled the international and domestic spin, and done alright in the field. I know this will ignite flames of doom, but it's my honest opnion.

Nicole, you don't know me or probably my posts, but I'm a hell of a Democrat on numerous issues. I certainly hope that Bush gets it right, I acknowledge that ANYONE might get it wrong, and I will be happy to credit him and his crew if OBL is disabled in a sensible, effective manner.

 

[miles]

The prospect of having Gore as Pesident during this crisis sends shivers down my spine. His pompous (thanks MissTaken) and condescending tone doesn't exactly send a message of strong leadership.

No doubt Dubya comes across as wooden and stiff, but Gore elavates it to a whole new level.

 

[Nicole]

Re: Okay....

Nicole, you don't know me or probably my posts, but I'm a hell of a Democrat on numerous issues. I certainly hope that Bush gets it right, I acknowledge that ANYONE might get it wrong, and I will be happy to credit him and his crew if OBL is disabled in a sensible, effective manner.

See there you go ... I wouldn't even know which is which, I'm looking at this from an outside point of view.

I don't care who is what to tell you the truth, and I know for a fact that neither will be able to stop terrorism ... sadly I don't think anyone will be able to do that.

Like it was said on the Radio here today ... "just because you get rid of Osama Bin Laden, doesn't mean you have gotten rid of terrorism, there is always someone to take his spot"

Sadly, that is so true

 

[shadowsource]

Re: Re: Okay....

Like it was said on the Radio here today ... "just because you get rid of Osama Bin Laden, doesn't mean you have gotten rid of terrorism, there is always someone to take his spot" Sadly, that is so true

Yes, but he has created a unique terrorist network, unprecedented in its goals and methods. One can hope that taking out the leaderhip and much of the stem might scatter the followers well enough to disable the movement as a whole. Capturing or killing only OBL won't achieve squat. Of course, terorism will always exist, but these guys have no negotiable goals, so there's no dealing with them. They are nihilists.

 

[lavender]

 

[WriterDom]

Re: Okay....

. I wish Clinton (whose previous attack on OBL was dismal in planning and effect) were still president, as I think he could have handled the international and domestic spin, and done alright in the field. I know this will ignite flames of doom, but it's my honest opnion.

Didn't we have trade tower bombing one under Clinton? And 19 US servicemen killed and 547 people injured in Saudi? And an attempt on a sitting US president? And Sailors coming home in body bags from the Cole?

If only Clinton were President now. He could smooth it all over with fast talk, and PP would eagerly await his saxophone return in the night clubs.

Hell, with enough money, binny boy would even get a pardon.

 

[Guest]

"We can support the troops without supporting the President."
- Republican Trent Lott during the Kosovo crisis

 

[shadowsource]

Trent certainly was cute that week.

I support Bush until he consistently fucks up. And while that may sound insufficient, that's pretty much what most Americans are going to do. If this turns into VietNam on 42nd St., a lot of people besides me will be very upset. In truth, everyone does want him to succeed. It's that serious.

If this is meant to be some kind of permanent war, our lives really will have changed irrevocably. But who can say that this was W's fault?

 

[Samuari]

I had a long conversation with my very democrat brother (you remind me of him a lot, Shadow Source) who told me that he was glad that Bush was President in stead of Gore during this time, because if Gore had won, we Republicans would have tried to find a way to pin it on Slick Willy. I think that we are better than that, and I am very glad that secutaries Powell and Rumsfield, and VP Chaney are on board. I think that Miss Rice has some catching up to do though, but she is one increadably bright chick, and I think that she will do fine.

Because of the team that he has arround him, I think that Bush will turn out to have been the right man for the job, as his father was in his own time.

 

[MissTaken]

~nods towards unregistered~

 

[dza]

call me totally insane, but i would feel better with Powell as Defense Sec. not in charge of foreign policy. I truly miss Albright. The same quesy feeling i got watching a former CIA chief run the country, i get watching a former general run US foreign policy.

 

[SadnonMage]

IN MHO

As a self-confessed conservative I guess I would be a little biased.
Personally I think that 'W' is handling this very well, but you must remember that his entire cabinet is practically the same as Former Pres Bush's, just in different roles.
Gore I don't think would have had the testicular fortitude to deal with a direct attack on American soil as well as this has been handeled.

I see Algore hugging trees in say oh Colorado, next to the big mountain fortress.

Just my opinion. SM