I hate men! -rant

[Guest]

Attractive to me as a whole package?

Danny Devito

Who would I pick for a date?

Danny Devito

please ladies, stop the bullshitting. You know damn well you'd prefer a macho guy like Vin Diesel instead of a short balding guy.

 

[sweetnpetite]

It could be that those where just bad examples. I do like some guys that fit the 'standard definition' of attractive.

Ben Affleck
ANtonio Sabato Jr.
JOsh Hartnet
Luke Wilson
Michie Phifer (sp)
Kevin Sorbo

I'm not going to try to act like physical attractiveness isn't a factor. But I find myslef physically attracted to a pretty wide range- not just pretty boy or hunky types.

My all time favorate is Christopher Reve- I have such a Superman thing. But it's Clark with the glasses on that I prefer. I do have a thing for the 'nerdy' look. But I don't only like guys who fall into a certain "type" I also like the 'thug' look, the 'preppy' look, the 'rebel' look. A person could have beautiful eyes, or beautiful lips, great arms, rich beautiflul skin. When I meet people face to face (not movie stars) I look for the beauty. I usually find it, too.

I'd say that's probably not 'normal' but I think that people are beautiful, whatever there ratio's are.

(I wonder if there's ever been a study about weather woman prefer men with a certain penis-to-height ratio?) A study like that is only going to prove the biases of the peole administering it.

 

[sweetnpetite]

please ladies, stop the bullshitting. You know damn well you'd prefer a macho guy like Vin Diesel instead of a short balding guy.

so when men say that they prefer full figured women with inteligence, they are telling the truth-
but when women say they prefer a sence of humor over muscles- we are bullshitting?

 

[concrete]

so when men say that they prefer full figured women with inteligence, they are telling the truth-
yeah but they need to shave

 

[sweetnpetite]

I wih that I had stayed out of this for a day or two, just to see where it would go.

 

[Debbie]

please ladies, stop the bullshitting. You know damn well you'd prefer a macho guy like Vin Diesel instead of a short balding guy.

"I can't judge his personal attractiveness, only his physical attractiveness" - sweetnpetite

I like that statement.

A man who makes me laugh is more attractive to ME than
a handsome man who has mega bucks.

You can't buy a sense of humour or a good personality -if you don't already have them, no matter how spunky or rich you are.

I love my man because he has a sense of humour, is loyal,
honest, treats me with respect,makes me laugh every day, is challenging, never boring,has red hair and a wicked smile. He and I are the same height. In heels I am taller. He isn't a millionaire.

We met because of a friend of his, talked on the phone and the first thing that attracted me to him was his cool sense of humour
and yummy kiwi man voice. We shared a lot of the same interests
and he asked me out. We met, the attraction was instant
and seven years later we are still together.

No need for bullshit here.

 

[FuckingFreak]

OH GAWD

I couldn't even bear to read past the 2nd page of this trite bullshit.

I am so tired of whining.
tired of people bitching and complaining (as I am doing right NOW)

it's so old and useless....you hate men. Whoopty fuckin' doo.
Can you get on with your life now?

Men are assholes and women are bitches.

End of story.

WTF?
You know what? There is a certain natural balance to things - and the fact is women are the gatherers and men are the hunters. Through society those roles have been blurred and crossed and fucked up. Why do you think human beings are so fucked up?!! We lost our connection with nature. Our "natural order".

You don't want to be the stay at home mom that takes care of the kids and cleans the house and cooks dinner and vacuums and everything else...

well guess what?!

We don't particularly enjoy being chained to our proverbial desks for 40+ years paying for you and the kids while you sit at home and pork up.

Am I generalizing? Of course. As you did with your original post.
So sticking with stereotypes and speaking in broad terms (as you did) a woman's place is at home. A man's place is at work - bringing home the bacon.

It's that simple. It's NATURE. Does a female animal bitch about her role? Of course not. Because that is what she was made for.

You can bitch all you want but the fact of the matter is that there are inherent traits and natural roles for both men and women, and the reason there is so much fighting between the sexes is because we struggle to break those roles.

Should a woman be allowed to work? Of course.
Should a man stay home with the kids? You betcha'.

But as long as human beings resist nature's calling - we will always feel out of sync with the rest of the world.

Thank you.

The human ATM has spoken.

 

[kobalt.9]

Re: Re: Re: I hate men! -rant

Thats my point, mysogyny is almost a joke- the "He man woman hater's club' ha-ha-ha.

I never said this. I said was your comments were ignorant. So what the fuck is the point of your post?

 

[sweetnpetite]

I think that the most offensive thing that I said was, "I hate men." If I had left that out, if I had went so far as to be very PC and clearified that I am not some man-hating feminist, people wiould still be upset, but probably not take my statements so personally. INstead, I chose to be direct with my emotion, rather than hide my true feeling and intent. How would you all react if instead I had said:

Isn’t it cute how the Little Rascals form a club called, “The He-Man Woman Hater’s Club” and exclude all girls and ‘girl sympathizers?’ And isn’t it something that men grow up and form their ‘good ‘ol boys’ networks and act pretty much the same? And what do we call men when they behave in a sexist and inappropriate way? Sometimes we say that they are chauvinistic pigs- comparing them to cute harmless farm animals. Sometimes we call them dogs- man’s best friend! If we want to be really nasty, we call them misogynists, but they usually don’t know what that means anyway.

But when women dare to notice and name sexism, we are usually accused of being sexist ourselves. As if by recognizing hundreds (maybe millions) of years of oppression, by calling men on it- by demanding equal treatment, equal rights- we are now oppressing them. And what do we call a woman who hates men? Do we call her a harmless barnyard animal? She gets labeled a “femi-nazi.” Yes, hating women is wrong but hating men is simply unacceptable. Ever notice how people who say, ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’ don’t throw up half as much fuss over the first wrong as they do the second? It may be wrong, after all, but it’s just the way it is. Let’s not go messing with the status quo.

When men show up, they always try to take over. They think that just because they are men, they should be in charge. The women may have been doing all the work all along, but the men will step in and take charge and then take the credit. Ask a man to do anything, and he will ask- ‘why?’ no matter how simple the request. Point out there bad behavior and they tell you that you are generalizing, that they are not like ‘other men.’ Funny, by separating themselves from ‘most men’ they acknowlege the truth in your ‘generality.’ Men just hate being lumped together, even if they know you are right. It offends their sense of individuality.

Women who don’t let the men take over are usually seen as ball busters. They’re bitches, or nags or otherwise marginalized, shushed, or dismissed. Sometimes it’s very effective, because women don’t like being called names. We want people to like us. It’s a no-win situation and most of us know it. But we are afraid to say so.

Speaking about the oppression in our society that is very real, women are told, It’s all in your head, you’re over reacting, that’s just the way it is. In other words, sit down and shut up. More often than not, women are then accused of playing a ’victim’ card and trying to oppress or victimize men. Yes, naming oppression has made up the oppressor! What an odd twist.

Men do have a knack for turning everything around on us. Even what they do wrong is always our fault. We are too sexy, we were in the wrong place, we wouldn’t shut up, we nag too much. (God, if men would only *listen* us women wouldn’t have to nag.)

Someone will no doubted say that I’m just ‘bitching and whining’ and not doing anything about it. But naming the problem is doing something, as obviously nothing *can* be done until the problem is identified. And besides, I *am* bitching. That’s because I have something to bitch about. So don’t try to marginalize me or shut me up or accuse me of being sexist. Because I don’t care. I see injustice and it pisses me off. Yeah, I know that the worlds not fair- but that doesn’t mean that women should just lie back and take it. It doesn’t mean we don’t do anything about it. It means that when we see something we don’t like, we raise our voices and say so.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a man-hater. I love my father, my sons and my guy. There are many men I respect and admire, such as Colin Powell, Fred Rogers, and Benjamin Franklin. Men have many good qualities as well, especially as individuals.

But as a group, they do an awful lot of things that just really bug me. As women we may have come a "long way baby" but we've sure got a long way to go.

__________________

 

[sweetnpetite]

Re: Re: Re: Re: I hate men! -rant

I never said this. I said was your comments were ignorant. So what the fuck is the point of your post?

My comments are not ignorant becuase it is an informed oppinion. Let us say that after spending 20 years in the jungle, I came to the opinion that I hated tigers. Maybe they aren't all bad, but overall, I hate them. Is that ignorant? Is that prejudice? Maybe it qualifies as prejudice, but not as ignorance.

Maybe some of what I said was generalization, but trends in behavior do exist. And no, it's not the same as saying, "My ex-wife was a cunt, does that mean all women are cunts?" as someone asked. I didn't say "All men are ass-holes" or "All men are dogs" Some of you are hearing what you have heard before, what you are used to hearing and what you are expecting to hear.

This is not about one man. I did not look at one man and form my oppinion of men, I have known and delt with many men in my life. I have seen them, heard them, read them, lived with them, and on and on. Overall, I don't like men, and sometimes I really hate them. From what I have seen, they assume a certain superiority that irritates me to say the least. They share other traits in common that *I* personally do not like. If they weren't so overbearing *in general* some of these traits might not be as big of a deal, I'm not really sure as I have not experienced this.

My oppinion is formed not only from "limited personal experience" (wich is not so limited) but from history, news, culture, media, community and the world at large. It is only an opinion, it is not a policy, a perscription, or a crusade. It is how I feel, and that is not ok. Or at least it's not ok for me to honestly say it. It's not ok for me to tell the truth- but I did anyway.

I don't like racism- it breaks my heart. But you know what- I wish that people would stop hiding it, being all PC and tell the truth. Then I don' t have to know you for years, make you my chiildren's god-parent, consider your oppinion on forien policy or what-not- and *then* find out that you hate Mexican's Blacks and Jews. Coulda saved me a lot of time if I know that right off the bat. The KKK hides behind sheets. I do not.

 

[Nathon_88]

*random peaceloving ideal*

Can't we just agree to fucking disagree here, people?

Sorry. I had to deal with waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much shit last night.

ERGH!

Anyway.

I do this for me. Not for all men. Just for me.

*takes off and goes on a random hugging spree*

 

[Pseudomoniker]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I hate men! -rant

Then I don' t have to know you for years, make you my chiildren's god-parent, consider your oppinion on forien policy or what-not- and *then* find out that you hate Mexican's Blacks and Jews. Coulda saved me a lot of time if I know that right off the bat. The KKK hides behind sheets. I do not.

Those damned black mexican jews!! They're taking over the world!!

 

[zipman]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I hate men! -rant

Those damned black mexican jews!! They're taking over the world!!

LMAO! Keep posting, I'm loving it!

 

[sweetnpetite]

For the flipside of this argument, please see the "I hate Women" thread.



https://forum.literotica.com/show...threadid=200762

(Athough, "they whine" doesn't quite compare with, "they've oppressed us for millions of years and continue to treat us as second class citizen's to this day" in my oppinion)

 

[sweetnpetite]

still wondering what you would think of the 'remix'

What do we call men when they behave in a sexist and inappropriate way? Sometimes we say that they are chauvinistic pigs- comparing them to cute harmless farm animals. Sometimes we call them dogs- man’s best friend! If we want to be really nasty, we call them misogynists, but they usually don’t know what that means anyway.

But when women dare to notice and name sexism, we are usually accused of being sexist ourselves. As if by recognizing hundreds (maybe millions) of years of oppression, by calling men on it- by demanding equal treatment, equal rights- we are now oppressing them. And what do we call a woman who hates men? Do we call her a harmless barnyard animal? She gets labeled a “femi-nazi.” Yes, hating women is wrong but hating men is simply unacceptable. Ever notice how people who say, ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’ don’t throw up half as much fuss over the first wrong as they do the second? It may be wrong, after all, but it’s just the way it is. Let’s not go messing with the status quo.

When men show up, they always try to take over. They think that just because they are men, they should be in charge. The women may have been doing all the work all along, but the men will step in and take charge and then take the credit. Ask a man to do anything, and he will ask- ‘why?’ no matter how simple the request. Point out there bad behavior and they tell you that you are generalizing, that they are not like ‘other men.’ Funny, by separating themselves from ‘most men’ they acknowlege the truth in your ‘generality.’ Men just hate being lumped together, even if they know you are right. It offends their sense of individuality.

Women who don’t let the men take over are usually seen as ball busters. They’re bitches, or nags or otherwise marginalized, shushed, or dismissed. Sometimes it’s very effective, because women don’t like being called names. We want people to like us. It’s a no-win situation and most of us know it. But we are afraid to say so.

Speaking about the oppression in our society that is very real, women are told, It’s all in your head, you’re over reacting, that’s just the way it is. In other words, sit down and shut up. More often than not, women are then accused of playing a ’victim’ card and trying to oppress or victimize men. Yes, naming oppression has made up the oppressor! What an odd twist.

Men do have a knack for turning everything around on us. Even what they do wrong is always our fault. We are too sexy, we were in the wrong place, we wouldn’t shut up, we nag too much. (God, if men would only *listen* us women wouldn’t have to nag.)

Someone will no doubted say that I’m just ‘bitching and whining’ and not doing anything about it. But naming the problem is doing something, as obviously nothing *can* be done until the problem is identified. And besides, I *am* bitching. That’s because I have something to bitch about. So don’t try to marginalize me or shut me up or accuse me of being sexist. Because I don’t care. I see injustice and it pisses me off. Yeah, I know that the worlds not fair- but that doesn’t mean that women should just lie back and take it. It doesn’t mean we don’t do anything about it. It means that when we see something we don’t like, we raise our voices and say so.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a man-hater. I love my father, my sons and my guy. There are many men I respect and admire, such as Colin Powell, Fred Rogers, and Benjamin Franklin. Men have many good qualities as well, especially as individuals.

But as a group, they do an awful lot of things that just really bug me. As women we may have come a "long way baby" but we've sure got a long way to go.

 

[kobalt.9]

Re: still wondering what you would think of the 'remix'

But when women dare to notice and name sexism, we are usually accused of being sexist ourselves.

You weren't pointing out any sexism. You started this thread pointing out that men, in general, are assholes. That in general they try and take charge of situations, and take credit that isn't theirs.

And this is ignorant because character traits belong to the individual, not to groups. There is no causal relationship between being a man and being an asshole. Some men are assholes period.

Basically, the only thing you were pointing out was your own sexist attitudes.

 

[sweetnpetite]

Re: Re: still wondering what you would think of the 'remix'

NO, I pointeed out *some* asshole behaviors which contribute to my feelings of hate towward them.

You are wrong, groups do have traits. People in different counties tend to exhibit certain national character traits. Not everyone is exactly alike, but they do have commonalities.

Italian's are passionate about food.

Australians' describe themselves as easygoing.

Texans - well texan's are Texans. First and Foremnost.

And in my neighborhood, every holiday is just another chance to Barbeque.

I don't know any Texans, but I do know Italians and Austrailians who would agree that *overall* this is true, regardless of how many people wil say that I'm generallizing.

I don't hate all men. I hate men *as a group*


And also, I love a man.

You weren't pointing out any sexism. You started this thread pointing out that men, in general, are assholes. That in general they try and take charge of situations, and take credit that isn't theirs.

And this is ignorant because character traits belong to the individual, not to groups. There is no causal relationship between being a man and being an asshole. Some men are assholes period.

Basically, the only thing you were pointing out was your own sexist attitudes.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Re: still wondering what you would think of the 'remix'

When men show up, they always try to take over. They think that just because they are men, they should be in charge.

Yes. This seems to happen a lot. In fact, it seems to have been taking place for all of recorded history. I'm not making an editorial...just an observation.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Re: still wondering what you would think of the 'remix'

Women who don’t let the men take over are usually seen as ball busters. They’re bitches, or nags or otherwise marginalized, shushed, or dismissed. Sometimes it’s very effective, because women don’t like being called names. We want people to like us. It’s a no-win situation and most of us know it. But we are afraid to say so.

Speaking about the oppression in our society that is very real, women are told, It’s all in your head, you’re over reacting, that’s just the way it is. In other words, sit down and shut up. More often than not, women are then accused of playing a ’victim’ card and trying to oppress or victimize men.

Is the fact that in many cases men like to be in charge = men oppress women?

Does it also mean that when Shaquille O'Neal gets a basket, that he's "oppressing" his teamates because he decided to "go get the basket" rather than let his teammates have a go at it? Does it mean that he's oppressing his opponents. Heaven forbid!

Because I'm just average height and the average basketball player is much taller, does that mean I'm "oppressed" because I'm not getting my "fair" share of playing time in the NBA? LOL.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

LOL. There are not many women playing in the NBA. Are they "oppressed"? Should we make it mandatory that each team be made up of 1/2 men and 1/2 women? What about short women, should we make it a rule that half the women on the team must be below 5'2" tall?

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

I used to belong to a Country Club in Rochester NY that had a small bar room/grill that was men only. Is this "oppression"?

 

[sweetnpetite]

I used to belong to a Country Club in Rochester NY that had a small bar room/grill that was men only. Is this "oppression"?

It could be. Do men discuss buisiness in social settings that exclude women? Are important descisions sometimes made on the golf course rather than the boardroom?

Did you see the episode of friends where Monica misses out on an important opportunity becuase she didn't go on a 'smoke break' with her boss and coleague. It's the same idea, only she could *choose* weather or not to be present. Where women are excluded, they obvioulsy do not have that choice.

 

[Guest]

Re: OH GAWD

 

[Le Jacquelope]

And to think if I had posted exactly what sweetnpetite had said, and said it about women, I woulda been lynched.

I haven't said anything close to any of this and yet some fucktards have gone out of their way to accuse me of saying it.

The hypocrisy of all of this is so great it has its own gravitational field.

 

[sweetnpetite]

And to think if I had posted exactly what sweetnpetite had said, and said it about women, I woulda been lynched.

I haven't said anything close to any of this and yet some fucktards have gone out of their way to accuse me of saying it.

The hypocrisy of all of this is so great it has its own gravitational field.

Actually someone did start an I hate women thread. It wasn't taken very seriously and died out pretty quickly.

And i did take a lot of flack.