I hate men! -rant

[Debbie]

If I had a daughter and she said that to me I would ask her what makes her think that.

Last week I was shopping with my gandbebe (3)
and this little girl in another shopping trolley pointed out to her mum a rather heavy lady.
"Look Mum that lady is soooo fat"

The little girl was about four.
Her mother didn't flinch, say a word or even acknowledge what her daughter had said.

The heavy set lady moved away, obviously embarrassed by the way her face went red.

My point is what are our children being taught by their role
models and society?

How you behave, what you said and do can rub off on them.
It is our responsibility as parents to ensure our kids are well rounded awith good self esteem. You must not be fat or boys won't like you?

That is so wrong for her to feel that way.

Be proud of who you are and if others judge you before they get to know you? That is their loss. An overweight person can lose weight. Now attitude adjustment? That's a bit harder.

 

[Pseudomoniker]

Some of what I say proably comes from bitterness. But not all. And some of it is just from thinking too much.

You really need to spend less time thinking and more time focusing on looking pretty.

 

[Guest]

Some women spend there whole lives trying to live up to some male ideal- weather they have a partner or not. My daughter said to me "boys don't like girls who are fat"

Woman *are* taught that pleasing men (being pretty, being nice, getting along...) is their primary objective in life.

this is utter bullshit. Hollywood is to blame for how women feel about their bodies. Tinsel Town has declared that women should have size 2 waists, fake tits, and act dumb. Don't blame the general male population. Ask most men and they'll say they are attracted to smart voluptuous women who have self respect.

 

[sweetnpetite]

this is utter bullshit. Hollywood is to blame for how women feel about their bodies. Tinsel Town has declared that women should have size 2 waists, fake tits, and act dumb. Don't blame the general male population. Ask most men and they'll say they are attracted to smart voluptuous women who have self respect.

ask them, yes. But do they ever say, "Look at the brains on her!"?

This problem has gone on way before hollywood. Consumerism fuels it, Holiwood profits. so do the cosmetic companies, magazine publishers and the diet industry. Hollywood is but one arm of society- and guess which gender rules there?

 

[sweetnpetite]

Yes, but I'm a natural beauty

You really need to spend less time thinking and more time focusing on looking pretty.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

ask them, yes. But do they ever say, "Look at the brains on her!"?

yes.

 

[Guest]

ask them, yes. But do they ever say, "Look at the brains on her!"?

and yet women are the same way. Do you look at a well built muscular guy and say "look at his intellect" ? C'mon now.
btw, womens magazines have staffs made up of women. The highest paid actors in Hollywood are.....women. Imagine that.

 

[sweetnpetite]

We talked about it- but it still bothers me. (She's 8!) What really makes no sence is that her dad's girlfriend is heavy. But he makes coments on Britney Spears (he hates her because she's plastic) and god knows who else.

Society does tell us that you have to be skinny to be happy, to find a man, to enjoy life. It;s all lies, but people believe it. I hear women all the time saying things like, I can't do that cuz I'm fat, or I'll do it when I loose weight. Here's one- We're engaged, but we can't get married till I loose some weight.

People need to get out and LIVE. I saw a woman on TV, her frieds didn't wan't to take her to the club with them cuz she was 'too fat' PLEASE!!! My sister is heavy, and all of her friends are heavy too. They go to the club, they get just as many guys, and have just as much fun. (And I mean big, not curvy) It's so sad that people think that they have to be perfect to deserve happyiness.

If I had a daughter and she said that to me I would ask her what makes her think that.

Last week I was shopping with my gandbebe (3)
and this little girl in another shopping trolley pointed out to her mum a rather heavy lady.
"Look Mum that lady is soooo fat"

The little girl was about four.
Her mother didn't flinch, say a word or even acknowledge what her daughter had said.

The heavy set lady moved away, obviously embarrassed by the way her face went red.

My point is what are our children being taught by their role
models and society?

How you behave, what you said and do can rub off on them.
It is our responsibility as parents to ensure our kids are well rounded awith good self esteem. You must not be fat or boys won't like you?

That is so wrong for her to feel that way.

Be proud of who you are and if others judge you before they get to know you? That is their loss. An overweight person can lose weight. Now attitude adjustment? That's a bit harder.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

The "He-man woman hater's club" had a short history once Alfalfa fell in love. Same thing happens in real life, that's why it was so funny.

 

[Debbie]

I'm a freak! I prefer men with brains, then a sense of humour etc.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

I stay in good shape and I prefer partners who do also. Am I bad for feeling that way? I don't think so...It's a preference. C'est la vie.

 

[sweetnpetite]

and yet women are the same way. Do you look at a well built muscular guy and say "look at his intellect" ? C'mon now.
btw, womens magazines have staffs made up of women. The highest paid actors in Hollywood are.....women. Imagine that.

Directors and Producers (the people with the real power and money) are still by and large men. I'm not sure about the highest paid actors being women. Despite what you may think, women don't 'dress down' men through out the day. Yeah, if we see a hunk, we appreciate it, but we don't go around rating every guy that walks by.

When women talk, men usually don't even listen. So how can they say they are looking for a girl with brains? They just want someone who isn't embarassingly stupid, that's all.

Or they are attracted to the 'nerdy look' which is really no different than being attracted to the glamourous look. It is still not about *her* *her thoughts* or *her mind* but her apprarence. It's purely superficial and objectifying.

When a man starts talking- not like a know it all, but like a person who;s really thought about the deeper issues of life- you have no idea how turned on I get! Only I don't interupt them to say, "YOu are so hot right now!" becasue that would be disrespectful to what they are saying. (and becuase I'd be kinda embarased to do that anyway)

 

[sweetnpetite]

I stay in good shape and I prefer partners who do also. Am I bad for feeling that way? I don't think so...It's a preference. C'est la vie.

That's not what I said. I said:
//Society does tell us that you have to be skinny to be happy, to find a man, to enjoy life. It;s all lies, but people believe it. I hear women all the time saying things like, I can't do that cuz I'm fat, or I'll do it when I loose weight. Here's one- We're engaged, but we can't get married till I loose some weight.

People need to get out and LIVE. I saw a woman on TV, her frieds didn't wan't to take her to the club with them cuz she was 'too fat' PLEASE!!! My sister is heavy, and all of her friends are heavy too. They go to the club, they get just as many guys, and have just as much fun. (And I mean big, not curvy) It's so sad that people think that they have to be perfect to deserve happyiness.//

 

[Debbie]

and yet women are the same way. Do you look at a well built muscular guy and say "look at his intellect" ? C'mon now.
btw, womens magazines have staffs made up of women. The highest paid actors in Hollywood are.....women. Imagine that.

Links please.


http://www.chalomumbai.com/news/world/2003/august/62597.htm

"Diaz named world's highest paid actress
By: AP
August 30, 2003
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London: Cameron Diaz is the world's highest paid actress, snatching the title from previous winner Julia Roberts, Guinness World Records has said.
Diaz is listed the biggest earner in the 2004 edition of the group's record book, based on earnings of 26.7 million pounds (US$42.2 million) in 2001.

Roberts was listed the world's highest paid actress in 2003 and 2002, based on her 2000 earnings of 13.4 million pounds (US$21.2 million) - substantially less than Diaz.

The reported earnings of Diaz, the blonde star of 2003 action flick "Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle" and the gross-out 1998 comedy "Something About Mary," are approaching the pay given to male actors in Hollywood.

The Guinness World Records Book lists Adam Sandler as the world's highest paid actor, based on a salary of 31.3 million pounds (US$49.5 million) in 2001.

But Sandler's winning pay packet pales in comparison to the 46.8 million pounds (US$73.9 million) earned in 2000 by Bruce Willis, giving him the 2003 title."

sweetnpetite, it would bother me too. I see too many girls, as young as 5, talking about watching their weight because they
don't want to get fat. Then I overhear their Mothers talking and know just where most of what the little girl is being exposed to.

Moderation, people moderation. And please? Our children are listening and learning through us. The media, especially
advertising aimed at our children who are little sponges.Kids who hear Uncle Bob say,"Did you see that fat fuck?"
and little Johhny hears? Well you get my point.

We, as parents, Auntys, Uncles, Grandparents etc have to ensure our children have good self esteem to cope in our world.

-Off my soapbox-

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Directors and Producers (the people with the real power and money) are still by and large men. I'm not sure about the highest paid actors being women. Despite what you may think, women don't 'dress down' men through out the day. Yeah, if we see a hunk, we appreciate it, but we don't go around rating every guy that walks by.

I don't rate all the women that walk by either.

There are a few women in leadership positions, but it still seems that most leadership positions are still held by men. I don't profess to know why.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Directors and Producers (the people with the real power and money) are still by and large men. I'm not sure about the highest paid actors being women. Despite what you may think, women don't 'dress down' men through out the day. Yeah, if we see a hunk, we appreciate it, but we don't go around rating every guy that walks by.

Just a question...

Who do you think is more attractive? Danny Devito or Vin Diesel?

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

That's not what I said. I said:
//Society does tell us that you have to be skinny to be happy, to find a man, to enjoy life. It;s all lies, but people believe it. I hear women all the time saying things like, I can't do that cuz I'm fat, or I'll do it when I loose weight. Here's one- We're engaged, but we can't get married till I loose some weight.

People need to get out and LIVE. I saw a woman on TV, her frieds didn't wan't to take her to the club with them cuz she was 'too fat' PLEASE!!! My sister is heavy, and all of her friends are heavy too. They go to the club, they get just as many guys, and have just as much fun. (And I mean big, not curvy) It's so sad that people think that they have to be perfect to deserve happyiness.//

I read a journal article about a study in the field of psychology that showed that males prefer a certain hip to waist ratio and that ratio implies a fit woman. It's not a big conspiracy to make "full figured' women fell less appealing...That's not to say that some men don't prefer "full figured" women....the statistics just work out better with that hip to waist ratio.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Just a question...

Who do you think is more attractive? Danny Devito or Vin Diesel?

Louis Anderson or Jean Claude Van Damme?

 

[sweetnpetite]

Just a question...

Who do you think is more attractive? Danny Devito or Vin Diesel?

I really like short guys. This would be a hard one, cuz funny is attractive. Vin Diesel is hot, but I haven't seen anything he's in so I can't judge his personal attractiveness, only his physical attractiveness.

I think that Fox Moulder is hot- but David Duchovney leaves me cold. I'm always disapointed when I see the actor, he's just not sexy to me. I don't think Duchovney's as smart as fox or as interesting.And he's not as good looking either- go figure.

 

[sweetnpetite]

I read a journal article about a study in the field of psychology that showed that males prefer a certain hip to waist ratio and that ratio implies a fit woman. It's not a big conspiracy to make "full figured' women fell less appealing...That's not to say that some men don't prefer "full figured" women....the statistics just work out better with that hip to waist ratio.

still... not what I said.

 

[Debbie]

I don't rate all the women that walk by either.

There are a few women in leadership positions, but it still seems that most leadership positions are still held by men. I don't profess to know why.

Come to New Zealand.

http://www.primeminister.govt.nz/biography.html
http://womenshistory.about.com/cs/shipleyjenny/

Attractive as in to look at?

Danny Devito or Vin Diesel?

Vin Diesel

Attractive to me as a whole package?

Danny Devito

Who would I pick for a date?

Danny Devito
I love a man with a sense of humour. As is obvious with Danny Devito. But I would love an opportunity to see if Vin Diesel
has a sense of humour. I suspect he may have. I loved Vin
in Pitch Black because I like that sort of genre.

Louis Anderson or Jean Claude Van Damme?

I'm not sure of the first person? I like Jean Claude Van Damme's
accent but that's about it.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I really like short guys. This would be a hard one, cuz funny is attractive. Vin Diesel is hot, but I haven't seen anything he's in so I can't judge his personal attractiveness, only his physical attractiveness.

I think that Fox Moulder is hot- but David Duchovney leaves me cold. I'm always disapointed when I see the actor, he's just not sexy to me. I don't think Duchovney's as smart as fox or as interesting.And he's not as good looking either- go figure.

As much as men judge women by their physical attributes, women do the same to men. I'd even dare to say there are just as many exceptions on either side.

If you tend to judge a sense of humor over looks, then you definitely are the exception.

 

[Debbie]

"I can't judge his personal attractiveness, only his physical attractiveness" - sweetnpetite

I like that statement.

 

[sweetnpetite]

Louis Anderson or Jean Claude Van Damme?

I don't like either one of them. From what I've heard, JCVD is a createn.

I have a huge crush on Anthony MIcheal Hall (ever since I saw the Breakfast CLub, many many years ago.)

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/MMPH/25285.jpg

 

[Guest]

Yeah, if we see a hunk, we appreciate it, but we don't go around rating every guy that walks by.

When women talk, men usually don't even listen.

more bullshit. I constantly hear women talking about which guys they want to fuck (usually guys who drive fast cars).
Men listen, its just that we dont concentrate on details and we like to get to the bottom line.