"I don't care about international law."

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A terror suspect held at Guantánamo Bay asked his US military judge a pointed question: "Is it possible to see the evidence in order to refute it?" In another case, a judge blurted out: "I don't care about international law."

Court documents reviewed by The Associated Press are giving dozens of Guantánamo detainees what the Bush administration had sought to keep from public view: identities and voices.

The government is holding about 550 terrorist suspects at the US Navy base in Cuba. An additional 214 have been released since the facility opened in January 2002 - some into the custody of their home governments, others freed outright.

Little information about those held at Guantánamo has been released through official government channels. But stories of 60 or more are spelled out in detail in thousands of pages of transcripts filed in US District Court in Washington, where lawsuits challenging their detentions have been filed.

The previously anonymous detainees provide accounts of their imprisonment and impressions of US justice. Some express defiance, others stoic acceptance of their fate.

The detainees appeared last year before military tribunals which, after quick reviews, confirmed their status as "enemy combatants" who could be held indefinitely.

Omar Rajab Amin, a Kuwaiti who graduated from the University of Nebraska in 1992, wanted to see the evidence. The "tribunal president," the de facto judge for the proceeding, replied that he could review only unclassified evidence.

Some of the exchanges grew heated.

"You are not the master of the Earth, Sir," Saifullah Paracha, a Pakistani businessman, told a tribunal president.

Feroz Ali Abbasi was ejected from his September hearing because he repeatedly challenged the legality of his detention.

"I have the right to speak," Abbasi said.

"No you don't," the tribunal president replied.

"I don't care about international law," the tribunal president told Abbasi just before he was taken from the room. "I don't want to hear the words 'international law' again. We are not concerned with international law."

The tribunal found Abbasi to have been "deeply involved" in al-Qaida, yet four months later the government released him, saying his home country of Great Britain would keep an eye on him.

The Guantánamo Bay detainees come from about 40 countries and were picked up mainly in Afghanistan and Pakistan following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, designated enemy combatants by the Bush administration.

In a landmark decision, the Supreme Court ruled last June that the detainees may challenge their imprisonment. The Pentagon hastily responded nine days later, creating the tribunals and pushing through reviews of everyone at Guantánamo by year-end.

A military spokeswoman said Friday the Pentagon believes the tribunals allow for the review called for by the court ruling.

"We believe the tribunal process gave each detainee a fair opportunity to contest their detention," said Navy Capt. Beci Brenton, a spokeswoman for the Defense Department office overseeing the prisoners at Guantánamo.

Administration officials repeatedly have said the prisoners are not entitled to the internationally accepted legal protections given prisoners of war.

In the filings, some detainees seemed stunned by the speed of the process.

"How long will it take before you decide the results of this tribunal?" one detainee asked.

"We should have a decision today," the tribunal president replied.

The tribunals brought out previously unknown information regarding the war on terror.

In one proceeding, the government identified detainee Juma Mohammed Abdul Latif Al Dosari as an al-Qaida recruiter who persuaded six Yemeni-Americans in suburban Buffalo, N.Y., to join the terrorist group. The tribunal also disclosed that Dosari had been questioned by Saudi Arabian authorities about the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia that killed 19 members of the US Air Force.

A number of detainees told the three-member panels they had been mistreated or tortured. They complained about the evidence, too.

"You believe anyone that gives you any information," detainee Mohammed Mohammed Hassen, who was arrested in Pakistan, objected to his tribunal. "What if that person made a mistake? Maybe that person looked at me and confused me with someone else."

The unclassified evidence against Hassen, 24, was that a senior al-Qaida lieutenant had identified his picture as that of someone he might have seen in Afghanistan.

The tribunals also had access to classified evidence that the detainees were not allowed to see, a key reason a federal judge said in January that there were constitutional problems with the tribunals. An appeals court is considering that issue.

The tribunals in some cases rejected requests for witnesses or documents that detainees said would help prove their innocence.

Boudella Al Hajj requested a copy of a court document from Bosnia. The tribunal president ordered the document produced, but military personnel couldn't locate it, so the proceedings commenced without it.

A tribunal dropped an effort to find some documents requested by Mustafa Ait Idr after the detainee decided not to participate any further in the proceeding. Terminating the search "was within the tribunal president's discretion," the panel's legal adviser wrote.

Idr told the tribunal that soldiers at Guantánamo had broken two of his fingers and "put my head on the ground, and then another soldier came and put his knee on my face."

"There are a lot of things regarding the soldiers, but I won't talk about all of them," the detainee told the tribunal, which referred his and other allegations of mistreatment up the chain of command.
 
Welcome to the United States. Is this a great country or what?
 
As always…

Beware when you battle monsters,
lest you become a monster.
And as you gaze into the abyss,
the abyss gazes also,
into you.

Frederich Nietzsche
 
Amnesty and ACLU are doing what they can. It is discouraging that there is such deep love for torture and extrajudicial imprisonment. The powerful do not feel powerful enough unless thay can put people away with no evidence but their own dislike, as kings used sometimes to do. And the fearful want to torture. Amnesty and ACLU meet great resistance, stubborn non-compliance, when trying to achieve their ends.

Our government is fearful and beginning to wish for Imperial power over us.
 
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They'll probably get it too.

Many people are very frightened. And when frightened, humans tend to look to A Leader, to comfort them and make them feel safe. If others get hurt in the process, shrug, the others aren't important.
 
most international law is so basic that you want to follow it out of self interest: i.e., you don't use poison gas, 'cos it might be used on you.

bush, gonzales, and their pentagon/CIA puppies haven't grasped this; they think breaches are like a free grab of candy in the store, while the owner has his back turned.
 
And it plays to their sensation of importance to thumb their noses at the world. Impunity is a very powerful, almost orgasmic feeling. Look at the wide wide grins on the faces of the torture team at Abu Ghraib. Impunity! Lovely.

The greater structures of the world, laws, treaties, and the like, are respected and observed by citizens. To a citizen, those things have meaning and represent order.

These fellows like to think they inhabit a realm beyond all that. No law, no treaty, no greater structure must be allowed to limit their desires. Because they have tasted impunity and they want more.
 
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