I did not know that the Possum Lodge had inspired a party...

[4est_4est_Gump]

Denmark's Red Green Party...

COPENHAGEN — Denmark said Saturday it would scrap a fat tax it introduced a little over a year ago in a world first, saying the measure was costly and failed to change Danes' eating habits.

"The fat tax and the extension of the chocolate tax -- the so-called sugar tax -- has been criticised for increasing prices for consumers, increasing companies' administrative costs and putting Danish jobs at risk," the Danish tax ministry said in a statement.

"At the same time it is believed that the fat tax has, to a lesser extent, contributed to Danes travelling across the border to make purchases," it added.

"Against this background, the government and the (far-left) Red Green Party have agreed to abolish the fat tax and cancel the planned sugar tax," the ministry said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...docId=CNG.21e9b6c39551266eec2b615c33bd28bf.71

Who would have think that a food tax would have unintended consequences?
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Quando omni flunkus moritati.

 

[CandiCame]

Weren't we supposed to have some kind of junk food tax? What happened to that? Like, it was supposed to work like the ciggy tax?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Morality taxes are being proposed all of the time.



I grew up in the time of Blue Laws. We hated the Christians for that, as a nation.

Well, we fixed their wagon. Then we turned the business of morality over to the state.

As soon as people get to liking something, they get to taxing it!

 

[CandiCame]

Yeah, but did we do that or not? If we did, I didn't notice. I noticed when ciggs went up, but not candy. I mean, I ate a whole bag of Halloween fun-sized Nerds and I think it was like $2. My fucking brother stole half the goddamn pink ones... Pink is the best flavor of nerds...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No, we did not, yet.

It was proposed.



Cigs went up because more people do not smoke...

That is the beauty of "Democracy."

 

[CandiCame]

Ciggs mostly went up because it's the cash crop of states that are broke as shit. Everybody in Ky was praying for that law to pass. We get a huge kickback now that we kinda needed. We're still 48th in education and everything the state funds fucking sucks. We can't even keep our roads operational. We needed that money. We don't grow sugar and shit, we grow tobacco and weed. We're praying that gets 'legalized' ie 'taxable' too.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No, it went up because the new moral majority has a zero tolerance when it comes to smoking because they feel it raises their cost of health care.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Here you go Candi...



http://hotair.com/greenroom/archive...roying-california-to-endorse-meatless-monday/

 

[CandiCame]

No, it went up because the new moral majority has a zero tolerance when it comes to smoking because they feel it raises their cost of health care.

It does. And I already don't eat much meat. I think we oughta do away with factory farming altogether.

But it was also raised because farming states had been asking for an increase for years as a tax-boone. There are a lot of things that go into politics, and it constantly amazes me that people can't see that. They point to one thing as a cause and say, "this is it!" when the vast majority of things on a federal level are multi-faceted. People don't want to pay for healthcare costs that are incurred voluntarily, and states want increased revenue on the sales tax that are paid to the wholesalers. Everybody wins.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yeah, people who consistently say, do away with factory farming have no idea how hard it would be to feed this nation on nothing but family farms, not to mention the vast numbers that our crop exports feed around the world...

Good lord don't we hate Capitalism more than we love our animals.

Yet, you do not even get your dogs to the vet on a regular basis.

Ought to be a law, a tax, "stiff" jail time...

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Morality taxes are being proposed all of the time.



I grew up in the time of Blue Laws. We hated the Christians for that, as a nation.

Well, we fixed their wagon. Then we turned the business of morality over to the state.

As soon as people get to liking something, they get to taxing it!

Then the silver runs out . . .


and the thrivin' runs out.


Then the people pack up the Comanchero brand and run out.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Then the silver runs out . . .


and the thrivin' runs out.


Then the people pack up the Comanchero brand and run out.

So what we did was created a fine for those who did not pay taxes.

Gave them some real interest too!

Then we gave them...

~drumroll~

A Fistful of Paper Dollars

*rimshot*

(To pay us back with...)

 

[Wat_Tyler]

The only bouillon any more is soup.


And right runny piss-water it is, too.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

We'll keep the whole thing together with duct tape and scrap from the yard.



Granny's puttin' up a still. We'll need more "brand..."

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Hope she's got a bit of Scot in her so it'll be authentic.


George Warshintun thought enough of it to want to collect it in the form of taxes.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

There were no surviving Presbyterians in Hill Country...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

We did have one once at the Possum Lodge...


He ran away in screaming frustration, "SINNERS! SINNERS! RETAPE!!!"

 

[CandiCame]

Yeah, people who consistently say, do away with factory farming have no idea how hard it would be to feed this nation on nothing but family farms, not to mention the vast numbers that our crop exports feed around the world...

Good lord don't we hate Capitalism more than we love our animals.

Yet, you do not even get your dogs to the vet on a regular basis.

Ought to be a law, a tax, "stiff" jail time...

There are a variety of ways to feed the nation on family farms, you just couldn't do it with meat.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

There are a variety of ways to feed the nation on family farms, you just couldn't do it with meat.

Or wheat, rice or corn...





Are we all supposed to be cabbage-patch kids?

Of course, in the new age of the Nanny State, their is an effort to make sure that kids cannot work the family cabbage patch...



For every aspect of life, there is to be a regulation, and every regulation will need regulators. Good money in regulatin'! Not so muchin being the relegated...

!

"We know that the number of government jobs has been increasing steadily, and that the number of applicants is increasing still more rapidly than the number of jobs. … Is this scourge about to come to an end? How can we believe it, when we see that public opinion itself wants to have everything done by that fictitious being, the state, which signifies a collection of salaried bureaucrats? … Very soon there will be two or three of these bureaucrats around every Frenchman, one to prevent him from working too much, another to give him an education, a third to furnish him credit, a fourth to interfere with his business transactions, etc., etc. Where will we be led by the illusion that impels us to believe that the state is a person who has an inexhaustible fortune independent of ours?
Frédéric Bastiat

And remember, like California and Japan, in the recent round of economic setbacks, France decided to double-down on State Socialism. How is that working out for them?

 

[CandiCame]

Or wheat, rice or corn...





Are we all supposed to be cabbage-patch kids?

Of course, in the new age of the Nanny State, their is an effort to make sure that kids cannot work the family cabbage patch...



For every aspect of life, there is to be a regulation, and every regulation will need regulators. Good money in regulatin'! Not so muchin being the relegated...

!

"We know that the number of government jobs has been increasing steadily, and that the number of applicants is increasing still more rapidly than the number of jobs. … Is this scourge about to come to an end? How can we believe it, when we see that public opinion itself wants to have everything done by that fictitious being, the state, which signifies a collection of salaried bureaucrats? … Very soon there will be two or three of these bureaucrats around every Frenchman, one to prevent him from working too much, another to give him an education, a third to furnish him credit, a fourth to interfere with his business transactions, etc., etc. Where will we be led by the illusion that impels us to believe that the state is a person who has an inexhaustible fortune independent of ours?
Frédéric Bastiat

And remember, like California and Japan, in the recent round of economic setbacks, France decided to double-down on State Socialism. How is that working out for them?

Actually, it involves real rice and wheat, rather then these nutrient zapped homogonized, hydrogenized bullshit that we're selling now. I've never eaten factory farm food (with a few exceptions of people buying it for me at restaurants) and except for a brief foray when I let all my plants die because I was drugged out of my mind, I've never gone hungry. It's not any harder to keep yourself fed then it is to keep yourself high. You know, the vast majority of countries don't factory farm. And they don't have the obesity epidemic we do. But if you're fine with juvinile diabetes, cardiovascualr problems, and children who are overwight yet still malnurished, then keep it up. I'm just happy that we've got an organic garden at the white house. Remember that whole 'change as a nation' thing? There are leagues of substantial farming guides out there, but you don't strike me as a man who knows much about agriculture.

And I was one of those kids who grew up on a farm. And I'm ecstatic that child labor laws now apply to agriculture. Slave labor isn't chores. Those laws don't say that you can't work your kids, they say that you can't work them more then 4 hours a day, or around dangerous machinery, etc. They basically put farm work in line with every other field of work. I would never ask a child to strip fucking tobacco and shit. Taking care of them animals, yes. But running wheat thrashers or doing hardcore, backbreaking labor for more then 4 hours is child abuse. If you can't see that, then you've either never done any work as a child, or you're a horrible person who's content with eating hydrogen carbons disguised as food harvested by children. So... have fun with that, I guess. Meanwhile I'm at my ideal weight and have homegrown veggies ripening on the windowsill. My blueberry muffins are full of antioxidants. Yours of full of candy.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"real"

Really man?

Your utopian dreams of Walden Pond will starve millions upon millions of people...



So. Do you have some links to factory farms using child slave labor? Are you a rational, or emotional being?

 

[CandiCame]

"real"

Really man?

Your utopian dreams of Walden Pond will starve millions upon millions of people...



So. Do you have some links to factory farms using child slave labor? Are you a rational, or emotional being?

Factory farms are known for using child labor. The most recent big story was Hershey, who violated the Human Rights act of the Geneva Convention so many times that it finally made the news. They worked children literally to death. There was some pork plant that burned children alive a few years ago, but I can't remember exactly which one. I know that Folgers keeps getting in trouble for it too.

And as I said, this isn't my first rodeo. I grew up in agriculture. Factory farming is not a solution. No one in actual agriculture likes it. It steals jobs and money, robs children and adults of nutrition, and runs small buisnesses out of buisness. And that's not touching the animal cruelty laws. I know that for some reason, you think that you have it all figured out, but the dynamic we have now is literally going to starve us. There are already food shortages, you say that we export a lot of food- we export a lot of grain, and because of factory farming, the grain we grow has been homogonized, meaning that there is no biodiversity, meaning that if there's one little problem with the weather around grain producing areas, such as, oh, I don't know, a cold front caused by a hurricane of superstorm then we've fucked ourselves. So enjoy your food prices skyrocketing this year because of your beloved factory farming.

http://www.foodispower.org/slavery_chocolate.php

http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/the-human-cost-of-industrial-animal-agriculture/

http://www.culinate.com/articles/sift/john_robbins_interview

http://stopchildlabor.org/

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I grew up on a family farm too.

Not a one of your examples involved anything other than third-world countries or one single instance of a criminal enterprise (or the possibility of undocumented Guatemalans in the country illegally additionally lying about their age, like they do in Baseball where they get paid millions of dollars). Not of it had anything to do with either family or factory farms using our children as "slave" labor...

It is obviously not a native or endemic problem.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Ironically, in baseball, they lie to make themselves younger...

 

[CandiCame]

I grew up on a family farm too.

Not a one of your examples involved anything other than third-world countries or one single instance of a criminal enterprise (or the possibility of undocumented Guatemalans in the country illegally additionally lying about their age, like they do in Baseball where they get paid millions of dollars). Not of it had anything to do with either family or factory farms using our children as "slave" labor...

It is obviously not a native or endemic problem.

Because Nestlie and Folgers aren't American companies? How much sense does that make? Of course most child labor in factory farms is overseas, which is exactly what you asked for. You wanna hear about child labor in family farms, then talk to people who grew up on them- like I said, I've spent days- easily 10 hour workdays stripping tobacco, corn, beans. My fucking cousin chased me around with a bunch of fucking corn-worms one time (like I said, I was raised organic, no pesticides, and I have a bug phobia) so I bit the everloving shit out of him. Not that that's relevent to child labor, I just hate that guy. But my point is, with a four hour workday I could have still had a goddamn childhood. It's ridiculous to exclude one industry from child labor laws. They aren't saying that you can't work your kids, they're saying you can't work your kids past legal child labor limits.

Plus, do you know what fucking adults get for stripping tobacco? $10 an hour. And I get NOTHING. FUCK THAT. That's called slave labor. I didn't even get tobacco like I did corn and shit. Like I said, these are common sense laws. They don't keep kids from working. They keep kids from doing adult jobs without getting paid for it.