I blame Trump, but I don't blame those who stormed the Capitol

[mayfly13]

Yes, most of us agree that Trump is guilty of inciting a potential insurrection and violence for personal gain.

But can one really ascribe similar self-serving or moronic motivations to 3/4th of those who stormed the Capitol?

Those people have been told for weeks that there's evidence of electoral fraud. Not just by Trump, but also by more trustworthy people.
And Democrat lawmakers didn't recount votes to quell those suspicions.
Which is what I would have done in their place, even if personally believe that Biden won fairly.
((because: How can you expect people to still trust their institutions, given the Snowden, Assange and many other revelations?))

 

[mayfly13]

Also:
People have lost their trust in institutions,
as showed by the global trend towards mass protests: yellow vests, Iran/Iraq last year, Israelites protesting conscription, now England and Belarus, and so on.

But what's baffling to me is the difference in how this disenchantment manifests itself in the US versus the rest of the world.

In other countries, most laypeople (but for R or L wing extremists) are united in bashing their governments. You can be liberal or conservative leaning, yet still bash both L and R politicians equally.

Whereas in the US, many laypeople are split into R versus L camps and are demonizing and bashing each other, while over-idealizing their R versus L political leaders.

 

[ShagTimes]

Democrats and the mainstream media have normalised this sort of direct action.

There was a prominent left wing black congresswoman, who's name escapes me at the moment, in the street calling for people to harass and get in the faces of Republicans whenever they see them in a restaurant or a gas station. I also remember another black left wing public official calling for the barriers around the White House to be removed when BLM marched to there.

Did social media close their accounts? did they hell.

 

[KeithD]

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But can one really ascribe similar self-serving or moronic motivations to 3/4th of those who stormed the Capitol?

Absolutely, because storming a public building, the Capitol building no less, is moronic from the get go. Beyond juvenile and thuggish behavior, you normally could consider being shot dead storming the U.S. Capitol building. It's ipso facto an act of domestic terrorism.

What sort of mind-set would someone have to have to even consider that this is acceptable behavior, no matter what motivation there was for it? Or do you not really understand what the word "storming" means in this context?

 

[ShagTimes]

Absolutely, because storming a public building, the Capitol building no less, is moronic from the get go. Beyond juvenile and thuggish behavior, you normally could consider being shot dead storming the U.S. Capitol building. It's ipso facto an act of domestic terrorism.

What sort of mind-set would someone have to have to even consider that this is acceptable behavior, no matter what motivation there was for it? Or do you not really understand what the word "storming" means in this context?

What about burning down a courthouse in the name of BLM? is that ok with you?

 

[Liar]

What about burning down a courthouse in the name of BLM? is that ok with you?

You know, when engaging in whataboutism, would it kill you to not literally use the words "what about"?

 

[jaF0]

Every single one that entered the building should have been subjected to deadly force.

 

[Champakian]

The one salient point here is that trust has been lost, but big, bigger government has won.

Trust it, or else...

 

[ShagTimes]

You know, when engaging in whataboutism, would it kill you to not literally use the words "what about"?

"Whataboutism". You mean, pointing out double standards and hypocrisy?

 

[Champakian]

What about burning down a courthouse in the name of BLM? is that ok with you?

Riots were okay all year long.

The politicians/police even stood by and let them fester.

 

[mayfly13]

Democrats and the mainstream media have normalised this sort of direct action.

There was a prominent left wing black congresswoman, who's name escapes me at the moment, in the street calling for people to harass and get in the faces of Republicans whenever they see them in a restaurant or a gas station. I also remember another black left wing public official calling for the barriers around the White House to be removed when BLM marched to there.

Did social media close their accounts? did they hell.

What about burning down a courthouse in the name of BLM? is that ok with you?

Trump's post-election behavior was disgraceful, if not jail material. Even die-hard conservatives like Ben Shapiro (see The Worst Day In Modern American Political Historyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8ZfmyxmgTA)

are now openly calling his speech at the rally "gross, like a B-rated movie", "inflammatory", " their subtext being that Trump's post-election behavior posed a danger to national security.

But you are right, I've seen similar tactics from Left-leaning media and some Left-leaning politicians when the rioters were destroying shops and trying to take over the White House.
They were hoping for and subtly encouraging insurrection -- even if they were not as overt as Trump.


How is it possible that your entire country (regardless of side) fell for the splitting games of self-serving Massmedia and L/R politicians?

Yes, racial/class tensions will always exist in the US and worldwide.
But a country divided so precisely in two halves who hate each other, is bewildering. And unprecedented, even in the tribalistic Middle East.

 

[coati]

And Democrat lawmakers didn't recount votes to quell those suspicions.

WTF are you talking about? Some of the state votes in close races were counted and recounted. In Georgia the votes were counted three times.

This election was won by Biden by a margin much greater than Trump won in 2016. Don't make excuses for stupid people who have been brainwashed by Fox News and social media sites for years.

What next, Democrats should be reaching across the aisle to insurrectionists in the House? Wake the fuck up.

 

[icanhelp1]

Democrats and the mainstream media have normalised this sort of direct action.

There was a prominent left wing black congresswoman, who's name escapes me at the moment, in the street calling for people to harass and get in the faces of Republicans whenever they see them in a restaurant or a gas station. I also remember another black left wing public official calling for the barriers around the White House to be removed when BLM marched to there.

Did social media close their accounts? did they hell.

Maxine Waters

 

[icanhelp1]

Democrats and the mainstream media have normalised this sort of direct action.

There was a prominent left wing black congresswoman, who's name escapes me at the moment, in the street calling for people to harass and get in the faces of Republicans whenever they see them in a restaurant or a gas station. I also remember another black left wing public official calling for the barriers around the White House to be removed when BLM marched to there.

Did social media close their accounts? did they hell.

What about burning down a courthouse in the name of BLM? is that ok with you?

They won’t talk about that. How about burning down a police station.

The left justifies anything violent because it’s in the name of progress and social justice. You also have to blame the mainstream media, they’re also complicit. The double standard is so thick it’s amazing how many American citizens fall for it.

 

[adrina]

I do.

Just like the hypocritical idiot sellouts posting above - continuing on with their propaganda and alternate reality so they can keep on "owning teh libz". Or at least thinking they do.

 

[icanhelp1]

You know, when engaging in whataboutism, would it kill you to not literally use the words "what about"?

Accusing others of using whataboutism is the left’s favorite tactic, you live by that when you guys have nothing.

 

[WillJ8787]

Riots were okay all year long.

The politicians/police even stood by and let them fester.

Tell that to the judge....such a ridiculous argument.

Judge:. "why did you riot and break into the Capitol building, ransacking it and cause they the deaths of 5 people?"

Dopey citizen: "well, judge, because BLM rioted all summer long so I though if they could do it so could I too"

Judge: "no one is above the law....your going to jail."


Just like rioters and looters were sent to prison all summer long, the same will happen to those who insurected at the Capitol.

And all the peacful protestors who stayed off Capitol grounds and caused no damages...they get to go home because they were the peaceful protestors who were exercising their Constitutional rights.

DOES THIS MAKE IT CLEAR.....to you dummies!

 

[jaF0]

Will The Duhnald be the first American President to be jailed?

 

[MissMandy86]

Democrats and the mainstream media have normalised this sort of direct action.

There was a prominent left wing black congresswoman, who's name escapes me at the moment, in the street calling for people to harass and get in the faces of Republicans whenever they see them in a restaurant or a gas station. I also remember another black left wing public official calling for the barriers around the White House to be removed when BLM marched to there.

Did social media close their accounts? did they hell.

Ohh someone called for something ...
That explains a lot.. that justified what happened at the Capitol

A police officer was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher
A horrible way to die but ACCORDING TO YOU thats justified because someone called for something to happen at a blm protest

I dont remember the BLM PROTESTERS killing anyone but they were murdered by pro trump movement when they ran them down with cars in Tennessee and Kentucky and shot in kenosha

I am sure you think driving cars over the blm protesters was justified since they took some tvs

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Remember when the Boston Tea Party was indoctrina...errr...taught to us from childhood as the birth of the nation or something to that effect?

A bunch of white men redfaced themselves up to go wantonly destroy property because (they weren't being treated fairly under their government) patriotism. And that was allllllll good with everybody. For like, two centuries and shit.

Man, how times have changed, eh?

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[LLCox]

Those people have been told for weeks that there's evidence of electoral fraud. Not just by Trump, but also by more trustworthy people.
And Democrat lawmakers didn't recount votes to quell those suspicions.
Which is what I would have done in their place, even if personally believe that Biden won fairly.

NO... those people including Representatives and Senators, Rudy Colludi and Trump jr. ALL know right from wrong.

How many fucking times do you need a vote recounted.

Fuck every one of them.

 

[bellisarius]

Remember when the Boston Tea Party was indoctrina...errr...taught to us from childhood as the birth of the nation or something to that effect?

A bunch of white men redfaced themselves up to go wantonly destroy property because (they weren't being treated fairly under their government) patriotism. And that was allllllll good with everybody. For like, two centuries and shit.

Man, how times have changed, eh?

As usual, a partial view of history.

Let's start with the fact that only a few of the participants in the Boston Tea Party were dressed as Indians, not all.

The only commercial injury done was done to the British East India Company, an organization that used slave labor to harvest the tea. And while the protest was not about slavery but about taxes and a Parliamentary imposed monopoly it would seem to me that the protest did serve a secondary purpose that you in particular would agree with. Perhaps if they'd burned the ship and then went on to ravage the local merchants the Tea Party would meet with your approval.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Yes, most of us agree that Trump is guilty of inciting a potential insurrection and violence for personal gain.

But can one really ascribe similar self-serving or moronic motivations to 3/4th of those who stormed the Capitol?

Those people have been told for weeks that there's evidence of electoral fraud. Not just by Trump, but also by more trustworthy people.
And Democrat lawmakers didn't recount votes to quell those suspicions.
Which is what I would have done in their place, even if personally believe that Biden won fairly.
((because: How can you expect people to still trust their institutions, given the Snowden, Assange and many other revelations?))

There were multiple recounts. Do you really believe in circumventing laws to quell outrageous conspiracies? That would be a horrible idea and an even worse precedence to set. But, hey, way to keep their dreams alive. Keep stoking doubts and fanning mistrust. That is the plan, after all. Brava!

 

[Aglaopheme]

NO... those people including Representatives and Senators, Rudy Colludi and Trump jr. ALL know right from wrong.

How many fucking times do you need a vote recounted.

Fuck every one of them.

Yep. They are not trustworthy, they are complicit.

 

[Aglaopheme]

WTF are you talking about? Some of the state votes in close races were counted and recounted. In Georgia the votes were counted three times.

This election was won by Biden by a margin much greater than Trump won in 2016. Don't make excuses for stupid people who have been brainwashed by Fox News and social media sites for years.

What next, Democrats should be reaching across the aisle to insurrectionists in the House? Wake the fuck up.

I missed this while scanning. I wonder whose wordy alt this could be trying to sound all reasonable while not being reasonable at all. Hmm.

Just kidding, it’s dishrag.