I bet fathers day really sucks when your Dads a turkey-baster!

[Frimost]

I was reading an article that ran last year in Harper’s magazine about 30-years living in rural Vermont and all the peoples strange little quirks who lived there and they had something that struck me as pretty pathetic and slightly perverted. Two lesbians there conceived a child by having a bunch of guys volunteer to jerk-off for them into a wooden bowl and then they used it to inseminate each other with a turkey-baster!

Imagine how FUCKED-UP the child would be if he or she ever found out? Imagine that, on father's day? "Where's daddy?" "Oh, "he" is busy basting the turkey!" OMFG that would suck! Man, did they even think of that or how bad the child would be teased before they did that or were they too busy thinking about themselves and what THEY wanted at the time? Lesbian or no, they probably should have gone au naturale, at least for one time in there entire life. They don't have to find a guy they love, just one they could stand and was bearable to them, that way there is at least an identifiable male father type figure in the kids life.

 

[rider]

Wow

It is one thing to use A.I. as a lesbian couple, I don't have a problem with that. But to have some sick sex party, having guys jerk off into a wooden bowl and squirting it into each other with a turkey baster, wow. That goes a little too far.

 

[cap in hand]

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[alphacat]

Actually, that used to be fairly common among lesbians who wanted to become pregnent. If you wanted a certain guy to be the father, and you didn't (because you were a lesbian) want to have sex with him, you could do that. It would be a lot easier then getting him to go to a sperm bank to donate his sperm and then going to the bank and getting artificially inseminated with it. Of course, that was back before you could get AIDS and *die* and have your baby *die* from doing that. So now most lesbians just go to the sperm bank.
Of course, if they want a baby that bad, I don't know why they can't just buck up and close their eyes and bear having sex with a guy just once. I mean, jesus, I'm a dyke and I've had sex with guys before. It's not half as much fun as with a girl, and the guys are rather nasty looking naked (sorry guys, I'm sure you look sexy to straight girls), but it's still some fun.

And Frimost, why they hell does a kid need a father figure? Lots of single women raise perfectly wonderful healthy kids - (two of my close friends were raised by single moms) why can't TWO women do an even better job? Parents are parents; it doesn't really matter if there's a "father figure" or not.

 

[Laurel]

I WISH my dad was a turkey baster. I'd gladly trade.

 

[Azwed]

You know it would probably be a lot easier to find my dad if he was a turkey baster too.

Damnit.

 

[Kitte]

my father may as well have been a turkey baster...he sucks up all the shit and spews it back at you when you least expect it.

 

[CAROSI]

My dad ROCKS

 

[Laurel]

You know it would probably be a lot easier to find my dad if he was a turkey baster too.

Exactly. He's be in the back of the drawer with the tongs.

 

[juicygirl]

Yeah Frimost you're kinda way off on this. I don't know the particulars of the story but the act is pretty common. What's so great about having a papa anyway. I would much prefer a turkey baster. Probably would have had a better chance than I did. Love is love and I'm sure the kid will be fine. Alphacat's opinion to the contrary notwithstanding, the kid will turn out good or bad regardless of the turkey baster. Who knows, maybe the Dads will help raise him. I'm rambling, but I feel like (it edit ) so there, but my point is origin is not as important as the family he or she grows up in.

 

[sexy-girl]

not the route i would go for ... but what's all this grin and bare it and have sex with a guy stuff ... oh yeah that sounds like it will make all the difference in producing a healthy baby ... my conception of a baby would be a beautiful thing and a wonderful day that would be shared with the person i love ... and yes it would be through artificial insemination

im a lesbian meaning i dont want to have sex with men meaning im not going to go through that just to satisfy societies dated views when it would make no difference anyway

 

[Calamity Jane]

my conception of a baby would be a beautiful thing and a wonderful day that would be shared with the person i love ... and yes it would be through artificial insemination

im a lesbian meaning i dont want to have sex with men meaning im not going to go through that just to satisfy societies dated views when it would make no difference anyway

*standing ovation*

 

[sexy-girl]

*standing ovation*

thank you

 

[JazzManJim]

Parents are parents; it doesn't really matter if there's a "father figure" or not.

Actually, yes, it does.

 

[Frimost]

Because its better to have a father figure than none at all. Of course someone COULD make do without one, but a kid could grow up perfectly normal and healthy living in a swamp, or having a schizophrenic parent, or after being beaten as a kid-BUT that doesn’t mean he or she SHOULD if at all possible. Just because some people bucked-up and bite the bullet by making do without a father is no reason to deny other kids that luxury if you can. Can kids make do without a MOTHER?! YES, but I would not at all recommend that either. Having a father is especially important too not only boys, of course (the benefits to that would be obvious and I don't need to explain the example he sets for the boys) but to straight women as well. The father sets the standard for what she'll expect from and look for in boys later on in life.

If men were not important in some way God/nature would have never created us.

 

[Rubyfruit]

I believe a father and mother are equally important in raising a child. Study after study has shown that fathers give children things that mothers don't, such as a sense of confidence, ability and independence.

That said, I have nothing against women becoming single mothers by choice. I don't like that these women mingled the sperm of several men like that. Seems a bit irresponsible not to know who the bio dad is.

My best friend became a single mom by choice last year. She and a gay male friend of hers talked about it for years before they did it. They both got health checks and blood tests before they did it. I don't know if anybody actually uses a turkey baster anymore though. My friend used a syringe. He ejactulated into a cup and brought it to her in the next room.

 

[Frimost]

sex with a man to have a baby is not "societies dated view" to produce an offspring so much as Mother Nature's view to having a baby.
If you don't want to live with men than that's fine. But for this one time, this one event, why not do it how evolution intended? Allot of people have to do things they don't like to survive and get what they want (like working at a crappy job-lol). A turkey-baster seems like a cowardly BS way of getting around one of those said eventualities and shirking one's responsibilities.

As for artificial insemination, not my preference-BUT:

Well at least an official petrie-dish type insemination would be anonymous and be the DNA genetic material from one man instead of a half dozen or more weirdoes. In addition, their method is so weird and twisted that I'm sure that at least a few of the men would speak of it. Before you know it a story like that spreads like a rumor and filters down to the schools where the kids would find out and pick on the child who was the product of it eventually.

Money was not the issue so much as its just more right, proper, and normal for a man to do that the natural way then doing something so sick and desperate as what they did. If they want a kid then that’s what guys are for, just as if a man wanted a child he would also have to deal with women instead of trying to bypass their role in giving birth altogether like the lesbians tried to do with men.

 

[sexy-girl]

sorry frimost i cant understand what significance at all does a childs conception have to the overall upbringing of a baby ... you might as well say we had sex in the back seat of a car can you imagine if the child found that out one day ... i have no idea how i was conceived or where ... the child would be told when she/he was old enough to understand about A.I

i also find it disturbing the way you use the N word ... "natural" ... there is a million things that could be called unnatural by people that choose to throw that word around ... abortions ? parents that are unable to have children the normal way ? blood transfusions ? homosexuality ?

what is natural is for a child to be brought up in a loving way with people around him/her that love the child and care for its needs long and short term

i also dont think a father is needed at all ... i think its important to have male and female influences but they can be uncles or friends it depends ... i think there is a lot of people that were not brought up in a perfect household ... to find a household that is balanced and loving is what is important and its also somewhat rare ... i have to believe if lisa and i had a baby together we would have that perfect household for a child to come into the world in considoring how balanced and loving our relationship is

frimost i think maybe you've read this story and its got your blood boiling but there is nothing wrong in my opinion with A.I under the right circumstances not just for lesbians but for straight couples to that cant have a baby the conventional way ... i think its commendable that you get very passionate about your views but i dont agree with them

 

[Azwed]

Actually, yes, it does.

I did esseintialy without a father for my entire life. Oh sure he was there occasionly for the first half but was gone so much I hardly remember him. I turned out just fine. A male role model is a good thing to have you don't have to have a father.

 

[sexy-girl]

another thing to think about is societies ideals of a nuclear family being the only healthy type of family to blame for a lot of pressures that kids face

a lot of parents and of course children can't choose what kind of family they are in yet schools still teach the ideal family of being a mother and a father

i think kids with single parents find this harder sometimes when they shouldn't need too because of societies ideals and some of the teachings in some schools

azwed i've got a father but i've never been close to him i actually got more from my grandfather then my actual father

 

[Azwed]

another thing to think about is societies ideals of a nuclear family being the only healthy type of family to blame for a lot of pressures that kids face

a lot of parents and of course children can't choose what kind of family they are in yet schools still teach the ideal family of being a mother and a father

i think kids with single parents find this harder sometimes when they shouldn't need too because of societies ideals and some of the teachings in some schools

azwed i've got a father but i've never been close to him i actually got more from my grandfather then my actual father

Both sets of my grandparents were lived too far away for me to see them all the time so not much luck there. I had like coaches and teachers for male role models I guess. Oh yeah and uhh future president Bush since my family socialized with his

 

[Moi]

I bet Thanksgiving is even worse...

 

[juicygirl]

First of all I agree with every thing sexy-girl just said and give another standing ovation. Secondly, if the article is available on line could you tell me where -- I have no way to judge whether those individuals who went the turkey baster route are freaks or not -- your blood seems to be boiling on this issue so I am not so sure your judgement is trustworthy on this issue.

Along with Azwed I gotta say that while male role models are important they don't have to be fathers. Yeah and whats up with your fixation on the natural. Are droughts and diseases just nature's way of killing poor people? I mean come on boyo I know you know better. Thats my rant, please continue your ranting as you see fit.

 

[curvacious]

For those of us wishing dear ol' dad was a turkey baster, it would be so nice to have him close by to use when we need (by the tongs, like Laurel said), but he would also be mute so we wouldn't have to put up with any BS.

 

[juicygirl]

Oh yeah and uhh future president Bush since my family socialized with his


Oh Azwed, I am so sorry. You have had a rough life!!! I mean Bush, yuck!!!