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SkyBluAngelEyes

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This is not the first time I have participated in this part of the forums, and I highly doubt it will be my last.

I want to thank WriterDom, for His thread starter “Are we headed for a Dom shortage?” and even though I have regretfully not read His thread, it prompted me to write this one.

Just thinking about my past Master, whom I affectionately called, Master or Sir. He was a one in a million type of Man. I say that because He was a man. One that I find I compare to every man that I date or talk with. He was a gentle Dom. Very loving in every way.

I lived a very vanilla life before meeting Him. Funny how we met on a board similar to this one, and then again, not really like this one at all. The board is now non-operational, but I thank God for letting me meet Him and get to know Him. Sir had a way about Him. Very forceful when needed and a good disciplinarian when needed also. He did not start out my Sir or Master. We became friends first, talked of our likes and dislikes and stuff that was absolutely off limits for both of us. We started out having a very long distance relationship with approximately 2600 miles that separated us. We dreamt of the day that we would finally meet and make our fantasies come true. We met about 4 months after we had met on the net and not being sure if He would like me, He made me feel so at home. I flew to His state and met Him in the airport. I remember looking in His eyes for the first time, and thinking this was just the right thing to do. We had gone out to dinner that night before He had taken me back to His house. We struggled a lot with our religions, as He was a very religious person and had a hard time accepting that He was born to be a Dom, yet His religion was one of peace and mercy. How could He tie and flog me, apply nipple clamps knowing that it would hurt me, yet still think of Himself as a religious person? We had grappled with that and worked it out between us, and we were very happy. Sessions could last from a whole day to only a few hours. He would accuse me from trying to “top from the bottom” when I would purposely disobey or anger Him, so I could receive one of those spankings He did not quite know I liked. When He figured that out, He would think up another sort of discipline that would demonstrate, who was the Master and who was the slave. He was very creative in His just punishments, and I’m sure by now, you can tell how much I loved Him.

We did not live a 24/7/365 lifestyle. However, I was to meet Him in a certain manner when He came home from work. I was to obey His every command, no matter what, even if He brought His boss home for dinner. I was never to waiver out of my routine. I complied and the rewards were always excellent. He was a good Sir, and one that I miss terribly to this day. Even during times of punishment, I always knew that He loved me, no matter the transgression. I knew that there was nothing that I could do that would disappoint Him to the point of releasing me.

When I had flown back home, He would write me an email every morning with my instructions for the day. I kept an online diary, for His eyes only, that He could read at His leisure. After another two months away from each other, I visited Him again, and was collared by the man that I had loved so hard after all that time. Across the front of the leather collar was written the word “SLUT” in metal rivets. Then He presented me with a collar that was to be worn in public, which was a set of hematite magnetic beads that I proudly wore around my neck. I still have them both. The leather collar was worn only in the privacy of our home. It was to remind me of my station when I was with Him. The other was purely cosmetic. It reminded me of my station still; yet, it was a security blanket in which I had grown so familiar, and the hug of the choker around my neck reminded me that I was loved above all others. We had turned the commuting into a living together sort of thing.

When He flew to be with me, He presented me with a formal wedding proposal and a diamond ring. Of course, the collars were still to be a part of my normal everyday clothing, but now I sprouted a ring that reminded me that I would be the luckiest woman alive to get to spend the rest of it with Him.

Maybe I have lost touch with the D/s community after my Master – my Sir – passed away from an auto accident. I was reminded of Him last night after PMing with another Dom. I’ve come to the realization that not all Doms are made of the same cloth. This is obvious. Some men masquerade as Doms and have no interest in their sub’s wellbeing. You have men that call themselves Master and believe that women who call themselves subs will fall to their knees to praise their cocks, without regard for that subs thoughts. This is not the way of my Sir, nor did I ever feel for one second that I was not loved or respected. Even when the smacks kept raining down on my ass and me crying, begging Him to stop. There was respect between us that you might never find in a vanilla relationship. Maybe there is a shortage of Doms. I have decided that there can be many wolves in sheep’s clothing. I am not saying that the man I PM’d with last night is among one of these men, just an observation I’ve made over a couple of months. Am I out of touch? Has reality passed me by? Are Doms much more forceful these days? Do subs jump whenever someone, who says they are a Dom, says to jump?

I'm curious, just how out of it I am.
 
Not all are like that at all. Sometimes I think that I am, fuck that. I know that I am the most laid back, casual one here.

Since we are all different individuals no two will be the same.

I'm sorry to hear that you lost your Master. It sounds like the two of you complimented each other very well.
 
SkyBluAngelEyes said:
This is not the first time I have participated in this part of the forums, and I highly doubt it will be my last.

I want to thank WriterDom, for His thread starter “Are we headed for a Dom shortage?” and even though I have regretfully not read His thread, it prompted me to write this one.

Just thinking about my past Master, whom I affectionately called, Master or Sir. He was a one in a million type of Man. I say that because He was a man. One that I find I compare to every man that I date or talk with. He was a gentle Dom. Very loving in every way.

I lived a very vanilla life before meeting Him. Funny how we met on a board similar to this one, and then again, not really like this one at all. The board is now non-operational, but I thank God for letting me meet Him and get to know Him. Sir had a way about Him. Very forceful when needed and a good disciplinarian when needed also. He did not start out my Sir or Master. We became friends first, talked of our likes and dislikes and stuff that was absolutely off limits for both of us. We started out having a very long distance relationship with approximately 2600 miles that separated us. We dreamt of the day that we would finally meet and make our fantasies come true. We met about 4 months after we had met on the net and not being sure if He would like me, He made me feel so at home. I flew to His state and met Him in the airport. I remember looking in His eyes for the first time, and thinking this was just the right thing to do. We had gone out to dinner that night before He had taken me back to His house. We struggled a lot with our religions, as He was a very religious person and had a hard time accepting that He was born to be a Dom, yet His religion was one of peace and mercy. How could He tie and flog me, apply nipple clamps knowing that it would hurt me, yet still think of Himself as a religious person? We had grappled with that and worked it out between us, and we were very happy. Sessions could last from a whole day to only a few hours. He would accuse me from trying to “top from the bottom” when I would purposely disobey or anger Him, so I could receive one of those spankings He did not quite know I liked. When He figured that out, He would think up another sort of discipline that would demonstrate, who was the Master and who was the slave. He was very creative in His just punishments, and I’m sure by now, you can tell how much I loved Him.

We did not live a 24/7/365 lifestyle. However, I was to meet Him in a certain manner when He came home from work. I was to obey His every command, no matter what, even if He brought His boss home for dinner. I was never to waiver out of my routine. I complied and the rewards were always excellent. He was a good Sir, and one that I miss terribly to this day. Even during times of punishment, I always knew that He loved me, no matter the transgression. I knew that there was nothing that I could do that would disappoint Him to the point of releasing me.

When I had flown back home, He would write me an email every morning with my instructions for the day. I kept an online diary, for His eyes only, that He could read at His leisure. After another two months away from each other, I visited Him again, and was collared by the man that I had loved so hard after all that time. Across the front of the leather collar was written the word “SLUT” in metal rivets. Then He presented me with a collar that was to be worn in public, which was a set of hematite magnetic beads that I proudly wore around my neck. I still have them both. The leather collar was worn only in the privacy of our home. It was to remind me of my station when I was with Him. The other was purely cosmetic. It reminded me of my station still; yet, it was a security blanket in which I had grown so familiar, and the hug of the choker around my neck reminded me that I was loved above all others. We had turned the commuting into a living together sort of thing.

When He flew to be with me, He presented me with a formal wedding proposal and a diamond ring. Of course, the collars were still to be a part of my normal everyday clothing, but now I sprouted a ring that reminded me that I would be the luckiest woman alive to get to spend the rest of it with Him.

Maybe I have lost touch with the D/s community after my Master – my Sir – passed away from an auto accident. I was reminded of Him last night after PMing with another Dom. I’ve come to the realization that not all Doms are made of the same cloth. This is obvious. Some men masquerade as Doms and have no interest in their sub’s wellbeing. You have men that call themselves Master and believe that women who call themselves subs will fall to their knees to praise their cocks, without regard for that subs thoughts. This is not the way of my Sir, nor did I ever feel for one second that I was not loved or respected. Even when the smacks kept raining down on my ass and me crying, begging Him to stop. There was respect between us that you might never find in a vanilla relationship. Maybe there is a shortage of Doms. I have decided that there can be many wolves in sheep’s clothing. I am not saying that the man I PM’d with last night is among one of these men, just an observation I’ve made over a couple of months. Am I out of touch? Has reality passed me by? Are Doms much more forceful these days? Do subs jump whenever someone, who says they are a Dom, says to jump?

I'm curious, just how out of it I am.
Hi SkyBlueAngelEyes. It must have been very difficult to recover from the loss of your Master and friend. I don't think your out of touch at all, but I am fairly new to this lefstyle. As in any walk of life there are 'wannabes', frauds, idiots and people who do not respect others on a physical, mental or emotional level. Equally there are some wonderful people (Doms) who do respect and treasure all a sub has to offer; whatever the sub needs to be given to perfect the relationship. I wish you well and hope in time you find someone who you feel able to call Master once again :heart:
 
Betticus said:
Not all are like that at all. Sometimes I think that I am, fuck that. I know that I am the most laid back, casual one here.

Since we are all different individuals no two will be the same.

I'm sorry to hear that you lost your Master. It sounds like the two of you complimented each other very well.

Thank you Betticus. We did compliment each other, very well -- Right now, I think I am just frustrated. Well, I know that I am frustrated. I was almost forced back into a 'nilla relationship, dating men that weren't into that "shit".

Just like Doms are born, I believe that is true about submissives too. I'm not comfortable in a 'nilla relationship. But, I don't want a psuedo D/s relationship where the Dom feels compelled to make his rules the only rules and it's only his way or the hiway.

I hope this makes sense. I've been out of the loop for so long. :)
 
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shy slave said:
It must have been very difficult to recover from the loss of your Master and friend.

I wish you well and hope in time you find someone who you feel able to call Master once again :heart:

Thank You ss. It's been a road, but life goes on and I'm ready for it. :)
 
SkyBluAngelEyes said:
Thank you Betticus. We did compliment each other, very well -- Right now, I think I am just frustrated. Well, I know that I am frustrated. I was almost forced back into a 'nilla relationship, dating men that weren't into that "shit".

Just like Doms are born, I believe that is true about submissives too. I'm not comfortable in a 'nilla relationship. But, I don't want a psuedo D/s relationship where the Dom feels compelled to make his rules the only rules and it's only his way or the hiway.

I hope this makes sense. I've been out of the loop for so long. :)

I'll tell you what. I'll reply with something that might make sense to you in a PM. You can reply here in this thread but no details.
 
Fuck it, someone else may have similar experience. By now you all probably know that I am usually attracted to women with a lot of strength who are quite dominant but have problems. The following is part of a conversation I had with someone on why I wasn't with anyone right now.

"I invest a lot of time and patience and understanding into them. A lot of deep analysis. I build up a level of trust with them that they have never felt before. I figure out what makes them work and where they have problems or insecurities. I draw it all out and get them to confront everything. Make them feel strong again. I bring them to an understanding of their own sexuality, their past and where things have happened that have made them deny what they feel deep inside. I get them ready to face the world again.

Then they leave."
 
You are very strong...



SkyBluAngelEyes (hereinafter referred to as "Sky," 'cuz I'm la-ZEE!),

What you have written shows your courage and strength, and I'm sure reflects the love that you and He shared. The loss you have suffered would break many.

As shy slave says in other words, every group of people, whether they be 'lifestyle,' or 'vanilla,' or whatever, will contain its percentage of wannabes, frauds, and idiots - as well as those who exemplify the principles and central concepts of the group.

All I can suggest to you is that you use the strength that is the legacy of His love to be patient in your search. Use your memories of Him not as a measuring stick of specific behaviors, appearances, etc., but as a general reference that will guide you to find one whose spirit measures up to His.

I wish you the very best in your search, and hope to hear - some time, some where, that you have found your Grail.
 
Nope

you are not out of the loop at all.

Your desires are still there as are your interests.

Hang in there.

I wish you well and know that you will, one day, be succesful.
 
You are NOT so far out of it, Sky...

I, too, have noted an attitude, in many of the Doms I've spoken to recently, that reeks of disregard for a slave/sub's feelings and involvement in a relationship.

I can only pass on the words I was given by a number of Litsters in a thread where I solicited advice as I looked to deal with a prospective Dom(?) that was not a match with me.

Trust in your own intuition - it will NEVER steer you wrong. If warning bells go off or red flags start waving, PAY ATTENTION to them. If what a Dom offers does not meet your needs, thank them for their interest and decline their offer immediately.

And my own advice: Since you are looking for a true loving, respectful relationship with the right Dom, follow your heart - but let your mind/brain guide you. Trust in your heart and the spirit of your Master who is no longer here. As He watches over you, He will never let you down. Good luck to you,

Esclava :rose:
 
You can call me funny. Lots of people do and not just to look at.

Still, self-deprecating humor aside, I think a sub's emotional state is very important. I wouldn't want a sub who wasn't spending a lot of her time in the state I call "joyous surrender." I want to know that she is thriving in her submission, growing in her surrender and that there is nowhere she feels happier than kneeling at my feet.

It takes work on both our parts to build a real relationship based on D/s principles and if both aren't feeling rewarded from their parts in the relationship then I think there's something wrong.
 
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sir_Winston54 said:

All I can suggest to you is that you use the strength that is the legacy of His love to be patient in your search. Use your memories of Him not as a measuring stick of specific behaviors, appearances, etc., but as a general reference that will guide you to find one whose spirit measures up to His.

I wish you the very best in your search, and hope to hear - some time, some where, that you have found your Grail.

sir_ ('Cause I'm LAZEEE too...) I think I like the way you think. :)
sky_: I agree with sir_, though I'd phrase it differently. I'd say, you've been to the right place, and now you know what it looks like. Don't ever settle for less.

There are a lot of poser-Doms, on both sides of the line- Many who expect their subs to be purely objects without needs or thoughts or feelings, who somewhere along the line ran across D/s and misinterperted it as a licence to take without giving, and also many who like the trappings of Dom-ness, but are weak-willed wanna-bes who think, like the former, that if they strap on a chunky belt and carry a crop, they can have whatever they want, but then get whiny and cranky and weak the minute there's any counter-flow in the power-exchange. The second type is the hardest to spot, I think, because as long as you give them what they want, they seem very together, whereas the first type show themselves right away as pushy and ill-informed.

There is a third type, which I hesitate to condemn as "bad" or second-rate: The Fluffies. Quite often attired as butch or moreso than the most hardcore leather-daddy, these are some of the nicest people that you could meet- but I suspect that they're actually closet submissives. They are 100% about making their subs feel fabulous all the time. Online, they scritch and snuggle and "lap" so much that it makes one want to scream, "Get a Room!". They only bind their subs with the softest silk or bunny-fur, and then lavish them with pleasures fit for an Egyptian queen. Now, there's nothing wrong with that certainly, but I think it leaves a lot of novices with the impression that they are submissive, when they really have never experienced submission, which of course, can lead to some very unpleasant awakenings later in their kink-lives!

I would strongly recommend though that you not look strictly in D/s & leather circles. Many of the finest Tops I've known have been "Vanilla", but also "Extremely Traditional" men, Libel to treat their wives/women like queens- as long as they know their place and do as they're told... :D
 
Ooooh yes, the Fluffies-- I like that term.

I hope my "joyous surrender" term didn't make you think of them though. It's not surrender if she's not corrected when she doesn't achieve the goals I set for her; and correction's not something she's going to want to look forward to. Though anticipatory fear definitely has its place.
 
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Technodivinitas said:


There is a third type, which I hesitate to condemn as "bad" or second-rate: The Fluffies. Quite often attired as butch or moreso than the most hardcore leather-daddy, these are some of the nicest people that you could meet- but I suspect that they're actually closet submissives. They are 100% about making their subs feel fabulous all the time. Online, they scritch and snuggle and "lap" so much that it makes one want to scream, "Get a Room!". They only bind their subs with the softest silk or bunny-fur, and then lavish them with pleasures fit for an Egyptian queen. Now, there's nothing wrong with that certainly, but I think it leaves a lot of novices with the impression that they are submissive, when they really have never experienced submission, which of course, can lead to some very unpleasant awakenings later in their kink-lives!



I used to be really judgemental about this scene, but I've really come to a point where I admire the technique of other people's scenes and stopped guessing at what's actually going on under the surface. If you're not in it, you don't know, and as long as no one's getting maimed or killed on my DM shift, it's not my business.

What changed my mind was meeting and talking to enough couples where the bottom had a serious history of abuse and trauma, where trusting someone to make them feel good *was* an edge in itself.

(ed for something approaching sensible grammar)
 
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SkyBluAngelEyes Nice name.

you have control over who you submit to. From your post, I got the feeling that you are a quality person and a quality sub. If some guy PMs you wanting immediate submission, he is basicly telling you that you are nothing more than a life support system for a pussy. you must learn to filter through the undesirables. Either that, or just give up.

you might try joining a group in your area. At least there you know who you are talking to.

Ads can be effective.
 
Dear Sky,

Finding a emotionally good relationship is hard, finding an emotionally healthy and sexually expressive relationship is harder, and finding a relationship that is emotionally healthy and sexually expressive and includes the D/s that fits both people is for me, the hardest thing to find.

Some Dom/Dommes do not know themselves well enough to be secure in focussing on the sub's needs and development. Sometimes I think there should be a school that Dom/Dommes could go to to study human emotions and personalities.

Some Dom/Dommes confuse telling someone what to do with being a Dominant. Being Dominant is so much more then that.

Like you, I seek, ... and it is hard.

As Esclava noted above,

"...Trust in your own intuition - it will NEVER steer you wrong. If warning bells go off or red flags start waving, PAY ATTENTION to them. If what a Dom offers does not meet your needs, thank them for their interest and decline their offer immediately.

And my own advice: Since you are looking for a true loving, respectful relationship with the right Dom, follow your heart - but let your mind/brain guide you. Trust in your heart and the spirit of your Master who is no longer here. As He watches over you, He will never let you down. Good luck to you,

Esclava "



I too wish you luck, shy
 
It should also be added that the Master you had was fortunate to have you in his life and I believe that he would want you to
be happy with another, whether it be a Master, or a man who respects your cravings and needs and then satisfy them.

Never give up . . . that is the LAST thing that he would want you to do.
 
I feel and sympathise with you sky. I was also in the vanilla world for years. I came to realize that I need to be true to myself, about the fact that I am a submissive. I could not settle for a vanilla relationship again. That's also a large reason that I'm single right now. I've learned to be choosy.

Yes, there are bad Dom/mes out there, just as there are bad submissives. As I believe that I've stated before, I've had individuals expect to be able to simply order me to do anything upon learning that I'm a submissive. I've also had people that respect me, are my friends and wouldn't dream of overstepping my boundaries.

Betticus is a wonderful example of one of these friends. I do consider him a friend, but he is conscious about my boundaries. If he's accidently said something that comes close, he always apologizes and backs off. By this, he's earned my trust, and I do call him friend. :)

Good luck, sky. :rose:
 
SkyBluAngelEyes said:
Betticus, thank you for the PM's. It helped me understand you and your post better.

:kiss:

You are welcome. I just wanted you to know that mixed up in the crowd of assholes is what you are looking for.

All of the Dom/mes that I've talked to on here seem to be sincere and open about who they are. They are intelligent and share their experience and wisdom.

Then there are the ones that everyone is talking about.

You might be looking for the quiet one in the crowd of voices but he is there. Please be patient.
 
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sir_Winston54 said:


What you have written shows your courage and strength, and I'm sure reflects the love that you and He shared. The loss you have suffered would break many.

As shy slave says in other words, every group of people, whether they be 'lifestyle,' or 'vanilla,' or whatever, will contain its percentage of wannabes, frauds, and idiots - as well as those who exemplify the principles and central concepts of the group.

All I can suggest to you is that you use the strength that is the legacy of His love to be patient in your search. Use your memories of Him not as a measuring stick of specific behaviors, appearances, etc., but as a general reference that will guide you to find one whose spirit measures up to His.

I wish you the very best in your search, and hope to hear - some time, some where, that you have found your Grail.

I wanted to have Laurel change my user name and whittle it down to just skyblu, as that's what my email @literotica is also. I found out it just takes too much work, and if it makes any difference, I'm lazy too, so Sky is just fine! :)


Thank you so much for your kind words. I've come across men in my life that are more in the "wannabe" category. To them, being a Dom is a license to rule, without regard for the person he rules. I hope you know what I'm saying, because it's not coming out as clear and articulate as I'd like. :)

Patience is not one my virtues. If I remember correctly, the lack of that virtue got me into some trouble at times. I will however, be patient for the next one. It took me quite a while to find that one, and I am choosy. :)

Thank you for the well wishes. I will find my Grail. I just know it.
 
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fallon2 said:
you are not out of the loop at all.

Your desires are still there as are your interests.

Hang in there.

I wish you well and know that you will, one day, be succesful.

Fallon, a big thanks to you also.

The loop is exactly what I thought I was out of. I guess I'm still in there a bit.

I believe it's because I've had so little experience in knowing other Doms that I didn't realize how lucky I got on the first shot. :)
 
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SkyBluAngelEyes said:
<snip>I hope you know what I'm saying, because it's not coming out as clear and articulate as I'd like. :)


It may not be "as clear and articulate" as you'd like, but the message is clear.

<snip>Patience is not one my virtues. If I remember correctly, the lack of that virtue got me into some trouble at times. I will however, be patient for the next one.

Patience can be a bit troublesome for most of us at times. If you keep Him in your mind and heart, however, it should help.
 
Re: You are NOT so far out of it, Sky...

Esclava said:
I, too, have noted an attitude, in many of the Doms I've spoken to recently, that reeks of disregard for a slave/sub's feelings and involvement in a relationship.
Esclava :rose:

:rose:'s x24 for you!

Yes, this is what I wondering about. The blatant disregard for another. Being a Dom is not about treating your sub/slave like a doormat you wipe your feet on.

I learned long ago, being submissive is a strength and not a weakness. I have that strength to know what is good for me and my intuition has so far, kept me from harm.

Thank you!!
 
Rugor said:
Still, self-deprecating humor aside, I think a sub's emotional state is very important. I wouldn't want a sub who wasn't spending a lot of her time in the state I call "joyous surrender." I want to know that she is thriving in her submission, growing in her surrender and that there is nowhere she feels happier than kneeling at my feet.

I agree with that. Please, I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to put Him on a pedestal. He was a great man, a great person, very compassionate and loving. He knew my strengths and my weaknesses and he built on those and made me realize that I can go further in my submissiveness without going to far. He was always one to challenge my goals and make me work harder and go farther. Now, I think I'm rambling...

Rugor said:
It takes work on both our parts to build a real relationship based on D/s principles and if both aren't feeling rewarded from their parts in the relationship then I think there's something wrong.

I agree with this, also. Thank you. You're all saying my thoughts much more eloquently than I could. :)
 
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