I’m considering incest . . .

[rgraham666]

Sometimes I feel pretty alone in not sweating it when I write a dark character. I promise that in real life I'm almost too worried about not hurting others, but I figure fiction has it's own rules.

I'm interested to read the story when it's done, by the way!

The closest I've come to a dark character was the dom in my latest, Hypothesis. It was the first story I've written that didn't have a hint of romanticism in it.

The vampire in my story Abyss was pretty dark. And even he struggled mightly with the monster inside him.

My MC character, if you pointed out to him he was doing evil would reply, "So?"

Even in fantasies, I have trouble with being evil.

 

[Liar]

I tried once to write an incest story, a sibling affair, just to see if I could.

And well, I could. In the sense that I wrote the damn thing. But in order to make it readable to myself, I had to add so many qualifiers to it that it got too long winded to read. Whern I was done with all the explanations to how they got together and why it was not going to be damaging to them, their self image, or anything else, all the rebuttals that it was not a case of twisted family dynamics and it was not abuse or control in any way from either part... then the story had become totally unreadable.

Not only had I explained away the taboo dimension for the fans of that, but I had droned away the intensity and tempo for anyone else.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

I tried once to write an incest story. . . but to make it readable to myself, I had to add so many qualifiers that it got too long winded to read. When I was done with all the explanations of why it was not going to be damaging, their self image, or anything else, all the rebuttals that it was not a case of twisted family dynamics and it was not abuse or control in any way from either part... then the story had become totally unreadable. I (had) explained away the taboo dimension for the fans . . .

LOL! That is priceless.

Thanks to everyone who has chimed in here - what a thoughtful group, in both senses of the word (notwithstanding our sometimes jousting on the political threads). You all may not be "the psychologists," but you could play one on TV, and that's close enough for me! There's a heapin' helpin' of helpful wisdom and useful concepts and advice here.

The fact that everyone here takes these issues seriously and introspects on them makes me proud to be part of this community (and makes me wonder about all those hacks out there who write those hundreds of incest stories seemingly with no thoughts other than pure titillation).

I am probably going to write the damn thing, and like Rumple says then decide what to do. I will try to not overqualify the taboo right out of it, for that risk confronts me also. I may borrow some of the concepts that have been posted here, too. (If I get too close to quoting anyone I'll be sure to seek permission, but I don't expect to.)

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

Roxanne,

The only way I know to finesse the "qualification" problem Liar mentioned is to incorperate it into the "will they/won't they" build up, using it to enhance the taboo aspect. Good luck and let us know what happens. I've got a hunch you won't have any trouble finding folks, such as me, who'd be willing to check it out.

Rumple Foreskin

 

[MichelleLovesTo]

The closest I've come to a dark character was the dom in my latest, Hypothesis. It was the first story I've written that didn't have a hint of romanticism in it.

The vampire in my story Abyss was pretty dark. And even he struggled mightly with the monster inside him.

My MC character, if you pointed out to him he was doing evil would reply, "So?"

Even in fantasies, I have trouble with being evil.

I read part of Abyss and meant to read the rest. I don't have internet at home so I tend to just take samples of stories for reading at home, and pursue the rest of the story if it's really appealing. I just haven't gotten around to the rest.

Without being a kiss ass, Abyss really impressed me with it's quality. It was a really "professional" effort, imo.

The question is this....should Thomas Harris feel guilt for Hannibal Lecter, or JK Rowling feel bad for creating Snape, or <insert your example>? I mean, some of the most vivid characters in literature are evil. It doesn't make their creators evil, and literature would be the less if not for the villains and antagonists -- in fact, literature couldn't exist.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I read part of Abyss and meant to read the rest. I don't have internet at home so I tend to just take samples of stories for reading at home, and pursue the rest of the story if it's really appealing. I just haven't gotten around to the rest.

Without being a kiss ass, Abyss really impressed me with it's quality. It was a really "professional" effort, imo.

Why does complimenting another author on his or her story make you a kiss-ass? Yes, "Abyss" is a very damn fine work, and completely "professional" and you're not the first one to notice that!

The question is this....should Thomas Harris feel guilt for Hannibal Lecter, or JK Rowling feel bad for creating Snape, or <insert your example>? I mean, some of the most vivid characters in literature are evil. It doesn't make their creators evil, and literature would be the less if not for the villains and antagonists -- in fact, literature couldn't exist.

Considering the unbelivable fan base Snape has- more among the adults, than the younger fans, actually- Rowling should be more proud of Snape than any of her other characters!

 

[SlickTony]

Yeah, that sounds about right to me. But here's my real question: Is it wrong to feed the libido of readers by even catereing to that particular fantasy? It sure is a popular one, but at the same time I'm sure at least 99.99 percent of those who are titillated by it would never consider doing it.

Oh hell no. I can't think of anybody in my family that I would consider getting it on with, but I have written a few stories for the incest category nevertheless.

That said, mother/daughter incest is totally incomprehensible to me, so I can't help you there.

 

[StoryTella]

But if you begin from a position of incest being someone's "thing," they have bought into the essential premise, and would be okay with very little struggle. I, on the other hand, think most incest suffers from people asking without any link to normal behavior. Fathers who've never been anything less than model parents deciding to have sex with daughters who are late coming home from a date. Brothers and sisters having sudden epiphanies that their sibling is the sexiest creature on earth (the second they both turn 18.) Oh, and a dearth of realistic dialogue. But many of these stories do well because the writer is preaching to the choir -- the reader doesn't need the realism so much as a lot of, "Oh Daddy, fill your daughter with baby juice!"

I think you have to differ between two audiences here ... those who are on Lit to read stories which get them off and those who are really interested in the literature part of it.

I for one come here to read porn ... so I don't need all that ethical stuff and how they all justify it. Nearly all of the incest stories on Lit cater to this audience ... thats why it seems their authors don't bother much with the rest of the stuff involved in such a relationship. They write what they want to read. And that is about siblings who turn 18 and suddenly are all over each other (the "all participants have to be 18" rule is responsible for the "the second they turn 18" part ) ... daughters who can't wait to get their fathers cock in them and scream like a porn star about it.

I like incest stories, as long as the ethical stuff is not involved. Cause even if I read those stories and might write some, I would never, ever even consider sex with my family. Besides the learned behaviour, that its bad and all ... No, I'd never even think of my family in that way. But that doesn't prevent me from enjoying those stories for a good stroke. Don't ask why ...

Is there such a thing as “healthy incest,” which either enhances or makes no difference to a person’s chances of enjoying a happy life? Or is that just a porn fantasy?

Like I said above ... most of the incest stories cater to a specific audience and are not even remotely realistic. So yes ... I'd say, "healthy incest" is just a porn fantasy.

 

[rgraham666]

I read part of Abyss and meant to read the rest. I don't have internet at home so I tend to just take samples of stories for reading at home, and pursue the rest of the story if it's really appealing. I just haven't gotten around to the rest.

Without being a kiss ass, Abyss really impressed me with it's quality. It was a really "professional" effort, imo.

Thank you, Tulip.

And I don't mind having my ass kissed. As long as you don't stop there.

 

[rgraham666]

Why does complimenting another author on his or her story make you a kiss-ass? Yes, "Abyss" is a very damn fine work, and completely "professional" and you're not the first one to notice that!

And a thanks goes to you as well, Stella.

I think what pleased me most about Abyss is the positive comments I've received from people here whose opinions I really value.

 

[SummerMorning]

I believe the Egyptians countenanced brother sister incest in the royal family.

Actually, in the Roman period from 30 BC to 600 AD, about 15 to 20 percent of all marriages in Egypt were between brothers and sisters. That includes adopted siblings, step-siblings and so on.

 

[Pure]

A simple way out...

Originally Posted by MichelleLovesTo
//But if you begin from a position of incest being someone's "thing," they have bought into the essential premise, and would be okay with very little struggle. I, on the other hand, think most incest suffers from people asking without any link to normal behavior. Fathers who've never been anything less than model parents deciding to have sex with daughters who are late coming home from a date. Brothers and sisters having sudden epiphanies that their sibling is the sexiest creature on earth (the second they both turn 18.) Oh, and a dearth of realistic dialogue. But many of these stories do well because the writer is preaching to the choir -- the reader doesn't need the realism so much as a lot of, "Oh Daddy, fill your daughter with baby juice!"//


Story Tella
They write what they want to read. And that is about siblings who turn 18 and suddenly are all over each other (the "all participants have to be 18" rule is responsible for the "the second they turn 18" part ) ... daughters who can't wait to get their fathers cock in them and scream like a porn star about it.
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I don't think one need, as a writer, be so arbitrary as "Michelle, at her 18th birthday party, started writing for Literotica, and noticed her father--always handsome in her eyes--had a large cock."

One simply has to have an *unscrupulous* or malevolent or otherwise motivated character. "Michelle had always noticed that her father had a mean streak, but generally it didn't bother her. Stella, her step mom, was a bit of a bimbo, and if she would put up with public embarrassments like 'My wife is colorblind,' that was her problem. But Dad started harrassing her latest boyfriend for his 'legal problems'--as she delicately put it--and seemed to take great pleasure in saying, "Come on in Dylan, out on a day pass again?' 'Back by midnight Dylan, or you're looking at another stay in the Big Hotel.' What pushed things over the top for her were the endless comments about morals, Dylan's in particular. 'He looks like he's been at it for a long time-- probably got his start fucking his teenage babysitter when he was 10.' This, coming from a guy whom all the legal assistant and secretaries at the office called Hands, or for cover in office memos, 'Hans.' "

A few added touches about M's awareness of her sexual power over men, and you're ready for a 'seduction' of Dad, to be posted in glowing detail as a story at Literotica with accompanying live reading on an mp3.

 

[gauchecritic]

So what exactly are you going to be writing here? An incest story or a story about the complex emotional problems of a young woman?

Decide that and then write the story, neither approach has to necessarily include the other.

 

[MichelleLovesTo]

Why does complimenting another author on his or her story make you a kiss-ass? Yes, "Abyss" is a very damn fine work, and completely "professional" and you're not the first one to notice that!

Well, I was partially kidding. It's just that I've been remiss in not telling him earlier how much I enjoyed it. And I should know better.

The other example is Christmas Stalking by Selena -- we'll see if she reads this. Anyhow, CS is the type of story I hope to achieve nearly every time I sit down to write.

Considering the unbelivable fan base Snape has- more among the adults, than the younger fans, actually- Rowling should be more proud of Snape than any of her other characters!

Much of Snapes appeal is more cinematic due to Alan Rickman, but even in the books he's a fuller character than most others in the books. I wonder if Rowling will just retire happy or keep writing. I'm not sure she could catch lightning in a bottle again.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I think you have to differ between two audiences here ... those who are on Lit to read stories which get them off and those who are really interested in the literature part of it.

I for one come here to read porn ... so I don't need all that ethical stuff and how they all justify it. Nearly all of the incest stories on Lit cater to this audience ... thats why it seems their authors don't bother much with the rest of the stuff involved in such a relationship. They write what they want to read. And that is about siblings who turn 18 and suddenly are all over each other (the "all participants have to be 18" rule is responsible for the "the second they turn 18" part ) ... daughters who can't wait to get their fathers cock in them and scream like a porn star about it.

I like incest stories, as long as the ethical stuff is not involved. Cause even if I read those stories and might write some, I would never, ever even consider sex with my family. Besides the learned behaviour, that its bad and all ... No, I'd never even think of my family in that way. But that doesn't prevent me from enjoying those stories for a good stroke. Don't ask why ...


Like I said above ... most of the incest stories cater to a specific audience and are not even remotely realistic. So yes ... I'd say, "healthy incest" is just a porn fantasy.

This is REALLY important input, folks.
It seems to me that most of the authors who hang out here in the hangout- write for different reasons than the vast majority of lit pornsters read. And Story Tella is expressing exactly what most of the readership feels.

I wrote a brother/sister incest story, back when I was mumblemumble years old. I wrote it because it excited me to do so, and I didn't worry at all about ethics, and if my highschool journals hadn't been destroyed in that flood, I'd pull it out and see if it could be polished up into something...

But if the subject feels uncomfortable to me, I can't write a story that celebrates it. And I would not write an angsty story exploring the horrors of a situation- and publish it on a porn site!

 

[MichelleLovesTo]

I think you have to differ between two audiences here ... those who are on Lit to read stories which get them off and those who are really interested in the literature part of it.

I for one come here to read porn ... so I don't need all that ethical stuff and how they all justify it. Nearly all of the incest stories on Lit cater to this audience ... thats why it seems their authors don't bother much with the rest of the stuff involved in such a relationship. They write what they want to read. And that is about siblings who turn 18 and suddenly are all over each other (the "all participants have to be 18" rule is responsible for the "the second they turn 18" part ) ... daughters who can't wait to get their fathers cock in them and scream like a porn star about it.

I like incest stories, as long as the ethical stuff is not involved. Cause even if I read those stories and might write some, I would never, ever even consider sex with my family. Besides the learned behaviour, that its bad and all ... No, I'd never even think of my family in that way. But that doesn't prevent me from enjoying those stories for a good stroke. Don't ask why ...

Like I said above ... most of the incest stories cater to a specific audience and are not even remotely realistic. So yes ... I'd say, "healthy incest" is just a porn fantasy.

Oh, I know what you're saying, and I think it's in line with my comments that not all readers want it to be too realistic. If a story feeds into enough of my preferences I will willingly suspend a truckload of disbelief.

That being said, when I write I do have to believe some sort of internal logic or psychology is at work with my characters. I've written stroke, but even then I still need to believe there is a rhyme and reason. If I have to live wth the characters for a while they need to have a minimum of 2 dimensions.

There is a difference between an interest and a fetish. If your fetish is incest, you want the pure and undistilled version. If it's an interest, or one fantasy of many, you might want realism and characterization to come into play. If any 2 close relatives getting it on, no matter what the circumstances, works then the basic story will suffice, and this will be a wonderland. If you need the characters to be textured and logical, then many of the stories here will disappoint -- and that doesn't mean the writers are bad, if their goal was to please the hardcore.

Not to bring out the whole mind control thing again, but it's quite similar. There are people who have a fetish for it and need to read the heavy inductions, and will ignore huge plot holes to feed the fetish. There are others who like MC as a means to an end, and just wants it all to lead to people screwing -- which is the real interest. Neither side is wrong, but rarely can you completely please both.

 

[MichelleLovesTo]

Thank you, Tulip.

And I don't mind having my ass kissed. As long as you don't stop there.

Sir,
I am a happily married woman, and cannot be kissing, licking, slurping, or sucking on strange men. In fact, I've made it a New Years Resolution...oh, the hell with it -- there's always January 2nd.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Well, I'm doing it: I'm involved up to my - eyeballs - in an incestuous relationship with a sexy young 18-year-old girl who, having been awakened to the joys of girl-girl sex by an experienced lesbian, has now "fallen in love" with her beautiful, virtuous single mother - and wants to express that love in a physical manner.

I think I even have a "device" that will allow it happen in a "safe" manner notwithstanding the fact that these are three-dimensional characters and not cardboard porn cutouts. This will be a set of circumstances that allows the taboo to be temporarily suspended in a certain time and place. It's somewhere between the "Island Retreat" described by R. Richard here and that (noxious) "what happens here, stays here" slogan of Las Vegas. I cannot predict if suspending the taboo will have the effect of removing the titillation factor, but even without the incest the stroke count will be very high. I will say this: For 36 hours I have been in that divine state of creative frenzy and medium-level arousal that engulfs me when writing one of my "nasty" works. Hurrah for porn writing!

Edit PS. This will be ready in plenty of time for the Mother's Day contest!
Um - there is a Mother's Day contest, right?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Sir,
I am a happily married woman, and cannot be kissing, licking, slurping, or sucking on strange men. In fact, I've made it a New Years Resolution...oh, the hell with it -- there's always January 2nd.

Or Jan 1, 2007...