Hunting

[mansome]

I'm relaxing on a Sunday morning changing channels see what's on tv and I see a hunting show on ESPN2... these two guys are sitting on their ass in a mountain pass where hundreds of caribou walk by at a slow pace.. they sit for a few hours until the largest one comes by then they shoot it only 20 feet from them... They get all excited.. prance around... and act like this is a huge sporting accomplishment that they can brag about....

My family has 2 hunting camps in Michigan's upper peninsula... I've been there a few times to hang around, drink and play cards.. but I've never seen what the thrill of hunting is actually about... Don't get me wrong I'm not against hunting wild animals as we've done it as a culture for hundreds of thousands of years..... it's in our nature..

But as a sport.. it's ridiculously lame... you sit on your ass.. drink beer... use a high powered rifle with magnifying scopes you put out bait on a spot for days .. and then wait for a deer to walk along the path.. and revel in your magnificent accomplishment as a warrior of the earth when you shoot an 8 pointer....

I think it's lame.. what are other people's thoughts on it... can someone explain why killing a deer with a rifle is a magnificent accomplishment?

 

[bisexplicit]

A gun is an extension of your penis. Shooting a deer is showing how manly you are.

(Okay, yes, I'm a vegetarian, so I may be a bit biased.)

 

[Cheyenne]

I'm relaxing on a Sunday morning changing channels see what's on tv and I see a hunting show on ESPN2... these two guys are sitting on their ass in a mountain pass where hundreds of caribou walk by at a slow pace.. they sit for a few hours until the largest one comes by then they shoot it only 20 feet from them... They get all excited.. prance around... and act like this is a huge sporting accomplishment that they can brag about....

My family has 2 hunting camps in Michigan's upper peninsula... I've been there a few times to hang around, drink and play cards.. but I've never seen what the thrill of hunting is actually about... Don't get me wrong I'm not against hunting wild animals as we've done it as a culture for hundreds of thousands of years..... it's in our nature..

But as a sport.. it's ridiculously lame... you sit on your ass.. drink beer... use a high powered rifle with magnifying scopes you put out bait on a spot for days .. and then wait for a deer to walk along the path.. and revel in your magnificent accomplishment as a warrior of the earth when you shoot an 8 pointer....

I think it's lame.. what are other people's thoughts on it... can someone explain why killing a deer with a rifle is a magnificent accomplishment?

I believe using bait to attract deer is illegal (at least, it is here). I also hope you don't mean your relatives drink beer while they are hunting.

 

[crazybbwgirl]

It would be a lot more fair if they could just arm the deer. Now THAT would be a sport worth watching.

 

[Image]

I happen to agree... However, you will find that this thread has been done ad nauseum and you will not win...

You have such a knack of finding and pushing Litsters buttons I almost feel sorry for you ~lol~

So just to get the flame ball rolling...

I find it particularly entertaining to watch the clever hunters spray each other with bull urine

 

[blackpenblueink]

I don't get it either. I'm not anti-hunting or a veggie, I just don't get sitting in the cold to kill a deer that isn't really decent to it anyway.
I prefer the serenity of fishing alone on a creek, observing nature and hooking a fish. Usually catch and release. But I guess some people wouldn't get that.

 

[mansome]

I happen to agree... However, you will find that this thread has been done ad nauseum and you will not win...

You have such a knack of finding and pushing Litsters buttons I almost feel sorry for you ~lol~

So just to get the flame ball rolling...

I find it particularly entertaining to watch the clever hunters spray each other with bull urine

hmm.. well I had no idea about other threads concerning this topic.... I just saw the hunting show and it piqued my interest.. and believe me I don't care about "winning" just wanted to see other people's views..... =^)

 

[mansome]

I believe using bait to attract deer is illegal (at least, it is here). I also hope you don't mean your relatives drink beer while they are hunting.

Not sure about the specific laws but I don't think you can bait deer up until a certain point of the season in Michigan... it's like a week before the season opens I think.. at a few places at one of my families camps they have this automatic feeder/baiter that dispenses corn and grains at a certain time of the day on its own....

Yes some of my relatives do drink and hunt.. of course I would never do such a feckless endeavor but it's common place up there this time of year... you don't see a hunter without a stash of beer/liquor

 

[mansome]

It would be a lot more fair if they could just arm the deer. Now THAT would be a sport worth watching.

OR don't use a rifle or bow at all and just wrestle the animals... it's very silly to see how worked up people get at something that's so easy............not a challenging "sport" at all in my book...

 

[mansome]

I don't get it either. I'm not anti-hunting or a veggie, I just don't get sitting in the cold to kill a deer that isn't really decent to it anyway.
I prefer the serenity of fishing alone on a creek, observing nature and hooking a fish. Usually catch and release. But I guess some people wouldn't get that.

at least in fishing for the most part you never get to actually see what you are pursuing until it's in the boat.. there's a challenge in it.... still lame.. but at least there's a bit of a challenge...

 

[kbate]

Why do I hunt?

Venison is one of the healthiest meats on the planet, it is delicious, low cholestoral, low fat and contains none of the steroids and medicines found in beef, chicken, turkey, etc. Additionally unless I allow hunting and/or hunt myself, I have to clean up 30 to 40 road killed deer around my property every year. I prefer to see the animals used as food (I donate between 10 and 20 to Hunters for the Hungry every year) than to see them rot along the roads, victims of drivers who will not slow down at night.

I look forward every year to bringing in the venison, it is the only meat we eat; preferring it to beef, chicken and all farm raised meats.

I do not see any need however to brag about antlers and to slap hands over the kill. If I shoot a deer with antlers I mount the antlers, but my primary reasons for hunting are to fill a freezer with venison and to keep the number of deer on my land to a managable number.

 

[mansome]

A gun is an extension of your penis. Shooting a deer is showing how manly you are.

(Okay, yes, I'm a vegetarian, so I may be a bit biased.)

I don't really care too much about the killing of animals as long as they aren't endangered.. I never saw the point in giving importance to certain animals.. It's ok to kill a cow for leather but it's sacralige for Asian people to kill a cat or dog for food?

an animals an animal... I give the same importance to a chicken as I do a horse.......

 

[mansome]

Why do I hunt?

Venison is one of the healthiest meats on the planet, it is delicious, low cholestoral, low fat and contains none of the steroids and medicines found in beef, chicken, turkey, etc. Additionally unless I allow hunting and/or hunt myself, I have to clean up 30 to 40 road killed deer around my property every year. I prefer to see the animals used as food (I donate between 10 and 20 to Hunters for the Hungry every year) than to see them rot along the roads, victims of drivers who will not slow down at night.

I look forward every year to bringing in the venison, it is the only meat we eat; preferring it to beef, chicken and all farm raised meats.

I do not see any need however to brag about antlers and to slap hands over the kill. If I shoot a deer with antlers I mount the antlers, but my primary reasons for hunting are to fill a freezer with venison and to keep the number of deer on my land to a managable number.

Now that's a viewpoint I can totally respect and see the sailence in it... I do like venison stir-fry although cutting it in such thin strips you can't cook it too long at all or it gets very tough.......

 

[The Heretic]

I'm relaxing on a Sunday morning changing channels see what's on tv and I see a hunting show on ESPN2... these two guys are sitting on their ass in a mountain pass where hundreds of caribou walk by at a slow pace.. they sit for a few hours until the largest one comes by then they shoot it only 20 feet from them... They get all excited.. prance around... and act like this is a huge sporting accomplishment that they can brag about....

I tell you what. You hike up to a mountain pass, lugging an 8 or 9 pound rifle and all your other gear. I guarantee you will think you accomplished something just going that far.

If you don't like hunting then that is okay, but for those of us who do we are okay too. A lot of people don't like to fly, or ride motorcycles or climb mountains - and many do.

 

[The Heretic]

A gun is an extension of your penis. Shooting a deer is showing how manly you are.

(Okay, yes, I'm a vegetarian, so I may be a bit biased.)

Thank you for showing me how intolerant and ignorant you are. Up until now I had thought you were smart - but okay...

 

[mansome]

I tell you what. You hike up to a mountain pass, lugging an 8 or 9 pound rifle and all your other gear. I guarantee you will think you accomplished something just going that far.

If you don't like hunting then that is okay, but for those of us who do we are okay too. A lot of people don't like to fly, or ride motorcycles or climb mountains - and many do.

*L* these guys got dropped down by a helicopter at some nature reserve.....

 

[fluffPE]

... you sit on your ass.. drink beer...

You need say no more!

 

[Saint Peter]

ESPN could show more typical hunters. There are those that choose and can afford guides to take them to the primo spot, those that drop out of helicopters, and those that live to bag a nice Zebra. The media and most likely the public finds these hunts make the best TV.

I think these hunters are the minority.

Thankfully I have rancher friends that allow me land access and possibly share more of kbate's line of thought. I have never received a high five, but plenty of smiles and handshakes on the way out. We have a partnership and shared responsibility, not checkered flags.

Ok all you PETA fuckers, go for it.

 

[The Heretic]

*L* these guys got dropped down by a helicopter at some nature reserve.....

And how many hunters do you think can afford a helo to drop them down like that?

 

[mansome]

And how many hunters do you think can afford a helo to drop them down like that?

oh please.. I know the "typical" deer hunter just as well as anyone...... I know how much of a "sport" it is to them... seriously .. sit on your ass.. wait... drink beer....wait at your pre-baited spot.. then use your high powered rifle with high magnification scope and shoot a deer who's standing in one spot just bewildered.......

 

[JazzManJim]

Hunting rules vary from state to state, depending on the popuation of the animal being hunted and the population density of the state.

Here in Maryland, there are certain counties in which you can hunt with a high-powered rifle. The rest are restricted to shotguns during that particular season. We also have a bow and a muzzleloading-rifle season. Baiting deer is perfectly legal.

I don't hunt, but I work with dozens of them, most of whom hunt both for trophies and for meat. For them, it's a matter of preparation and patience. You have to work to make sure the deer want to come to the place where you're hunting. You have to find the right spot and the right conditions to draw the big deer (because you don't just shoot any deer that comes along). You sit out in the cold morning and you start before sunrise and you wait. You don't make noise. You don't rustle around. You sit in a deer stand that you meticulously camouflaged well before you got there (and believe me, those things aren't comfortable).

Then, when the deer comes that you want, you have to shoot well. If you wound the deer and it runs off, you have to track it for God knows how far, and the meat you get from that it likely to be very gamey. You want the quick kill - the sure, good shot that brings the deer down where it stands. Then you have to get the deer, field-dress it, check it in, and take it to the butcher. That takes at least half your day.

It's not all "sit in a field drinking beer and blasting away at anything that comes around. The folks who do that aren't hunters. They're idiots.

 

[The Heretic]

oh please.. I know the "typical" deer hunter just as well as anyone...... I know how much of a "sport" it is to them... seriously .. sit on your ass.. wait... drink beer....wait at your pre-baited spot.. then use your high powered rifle with high magnification scope and shoot a deer who's standing in one spot just bewildered.......

If you think that is typical, then you don't know shit.

 

[mansome]

If you think that is typical, then you don't know shit.

so you don't think that's typical?

seriously.. hunting is huge in Michigan's Upper Peninsula.. kids get the first day of deer hunting season off from school.. Employers have to give the day off to their employees because they know they just won't show up.... I know hundreds of people personally who live for this and yes THIS is what they do and how they go about it...

and it is typical

 

[FinePhilly]

Deer herds in PA would be out of control without hunting. They would starve to death.

I don't like deer meat personally. Hubby does. I don't care for hunting personally. That's OK...I'm not the one doing it. Actually, I could probably get into duck or goose or turkey hunting because I enjoy the meat.

Ok that was a tangent...anyway, as long as the meat is going for food I have no problem with it. Many hunters here donate unwanted deer meat to food banks where it is desperately needed.

DRINKING while HUNTING is just about the dumbest move anyone could make. People who do that should never be allowed near a gun for the rest of their lives.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

I imagine it's harder than it looks, though I really couldn't say. I've never gone hunting. I have doubts about my own ability to do it, even if it was a necessity.

I don't think much of it as a sport. I don't really think it should be a sport. It's the kind of thing that should be done because it's necessary, not because it's fun. People that enjoy killing because they'd like to see a set of antlers on their wall, but don't want the meat deserve to be abducted by aliens with an anal probing fetish.