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The straight dude’s guide to ‘Brokeback Mountain' - Dave White, MSNBC contributor [link]

You are a heterosexual man. And you have no personal beef with gay people. You’re educated and fairly socially liberal and occasionally listen to NPR and you don’t like to see anyone bashed or discriminated against. You’re no homophobe. You’re proud of yourself.

But your girlfriend/wife/common-law/female or whoever loves that adorable Jake Gyllenhaal has already stated her intentions. When it’s her turn to pick the Saturday night date-movie, you’re seeing “Brokeback Mountain.”

“But I am a heterosexual man,” you’re thinking, “very, very, very, very straight.” And you’re kind of freaking out as the release date quickly approaches — and even the expression “release date” is making you kind of jittery. You’re hoping to remind your female life partner that, while you feel gay people are very wonderful, colorful, witty additions to the human population and that Ellen sure is fun to watch dance in the credit card commercial and that Tom Hanks really deserved that Academy Award for whatever that movie was where he died at the end, that you are very, very, very, very straight and that it should exempt you from seeing Adorable Jake…um… do “it” with Heath Ledger. You really don’t even want to know what “it” entails because you’ve lived this long without finding out. You’re thinking the words “red-blooded,” as in “I am a red-blooded American male, etc,” don’t sound so retro anymore.

And yet, you’re still going to see it whether you like it or not. This necessarily presents a dilemma: how to make her happy and endure your first gay-themed movie where guys actually make out on a very big screen right in front of your face? And that’s where I come in. I’m a red-blooded American male homosexual movie critic who’s already seen “Brokeback Mountain.” And I could just tell you how great the film is, that it’s really powerful and moving and all that, but that isn’t what you want to hear. So I have some viewing tips for you, my straight brothers. I promise I’m only here to help…

1. Accept the fact that this is all your fault in the first place
You were the one who was all excited to take your ladyfriend to “Jarhead” anyway and when you got there and saw that it consisted of lot of AJ (how this article will refer to Adorable Jake from here on) running around all sweaty, muscular and shirtless in the desert, doing a sexy dance wearing nothing but a Santa Claus cap over his “area” and then simulating a big gay orgy with his fellow grunts, you were like, “When does the killing start in this movie?” while your woman thought, “Oh yes, more Santa Dancing please.” You brought it on yourself.

2. Realize now that you have to shut up
You kind of have no idea how important it is for you to shut up. But it’s crucial. I was recently at a press screening for another movie and I overheard four guys in the theater lobby talking about “Brokeback.” They were resolute in their refusal to go see it and they couldn’t stop loudly one-upping each other about how they had no interest, were not “curious,” and were, in the words of the loudest guy in the group, “straight as that wall over there.” Oh, the wall with poster for the Big Gay Cowboy Movie on it? That straight wall? Well here’s something that everyone else now knows but that guy: he’s probably gay. Being silent marks you as too cool to care about how other men see you. It means you’re comfortable and not freaked by your own naked shadow. Did Steve McQueen go around squawking about how straight-as-a-wall he was? No, he didn’t. He was too busy being stoic and manly.

3. The good news — there’s less than one minute of making out
It’s about 130 minutes long and 129 of them are about Men Not Having Sex. So yes, maybe it will be the longest almost-60 seconds of your life, but there it is. Less than one minute. In fact, it’s 129 minutes of really intense longing and sadness and unabashedly weepy, doomed love story. In a very real way that’s a lot more porny than any of the man-on-man canoodling that made it past the editing room. But if you’re going to be a big sissy about it then you can go get her that Diet Coke and jumbo popcorn during the first major sex scene. And no plugging your ears and singing “Mary Had a Little Lamb,” either. All singing is inherently gay, is why. Plus you’ll be in a movie theater and some big bruiser gay guy might kick your butt. Then you’ll feel even more emasculated.

4. Remember that it’s a western
And the script was adapted by none other than Total Dude Larry McMurtry. That guy is the coolest western writer in the country. He wrote “Lonesome Dove.” You love “Lonesome Dove.” In fact, the only problem with remembering that it’s a western is having to ignore the fact that most westerns are about 1000 percent gay. If you think I’m making that up, just go watch “Red River” again.

5. They’re tortured and you get to feel sorry for them
Just like in that Tom Hanks movie, these gay guys get kicked around a lot. It’s set in the 1960s and the characters played by Heath and AJ don’t even know they’re gay. They think they’re just regular straight guys who suddenly find themselves all turned on by each other and, honestly, don’t even really understand why they’re awash in yucky, hypnotic love feelings. Actually wait… you know what? Don’t think about that too much. Better if you just forget about the “why” of it all and start rooting for these underdogs. Pretend they’re like Sean Astin in “Rudy.”

6. Anne Hathaway, who plays AJ’s wife, gets topless. The End
I think it’s fair to report this and here’s why: as a gay man, the only reason I even agreed to sit through the really stupid remake of “The Longest Yard” was because one of my friends told me you get to see the wrestler Goldberg in the shower. In one scene. That’s it. I sat through the whole thing for one scene. In that respect, my hetero pals, we are all brothers deep inside — it’s just a different brand of naked flesh that ignites our prurience.

7. And finally, it’s just your turn
Really, it is, and you know it. Imagine how many thousands of hetero love stories gay people sit through in their lives. So you kind of owe us. Now get out there and watch those cowboys make out.
 
perdita said:
2. Realize now that you have to shut up
You kind of have no idea how important it is for you to shut up. But it’s crucial. I was recently at a press screening for another movie and I overheard four guys in the theater lobby talking about “Brokeback.” They were resolute in their refusal to go see it and they couldn’t stop loudly one-upping each other about how they had no interest, were not “curious,” and were, in the words of the loudest guy in the group, “straight as that wall over there.” Oh, the wall with poster for the Big Gay Cowboy Movie on it? That straight wall? Well here’s something that everyone else now knows but that guy: he’s probably gay. Being silent marks you as too cool to care about how other men see you. It means you’re comfortable and not freaked by your own naked shadow. Did Steve McQueen go around squawking about how straight-as-a-wall he was? No, he didn’t. He was too busy being stoic and manly.


priceless. :D

Imagine how many thousands of hetero love stories gay people sit through in their lives. So you kind of owe us. Now get out there and watch those cowboys make out.

yes. :)
 
My favorite line was about all westerns being 1000% gay. There It Is!

My husband won't watch LOTR because all I do is point out the huge gay subtext -- it's also why he won't watch football with me. And since I don't want to watch LOTR or football, well, good on me!

Anyhow, the point is that a lot of the male bonding movies do have that underlying theme, and that's actually what makes those films interesting for me. I want to go to the movies and see people connect on a deeper level.
 
MichelleLovesTo said:
My husband won't watch LOTR because all I do is point out the huge gay subtext


...as in the dwarf doesn't like to be thrown = he doesn't like being the bottom?
 
Svenskaflicka said:
...as in the dwarf doesn't like to be thrown = he doesn't like being the bottom?

As in, even I -- who likest the penis, felt the keen lack of womenfolk as they Hobbitted about To and 'Fro.

Okay, I like Liv Tyler too, so nevermind.

My thing is that it's natural to bond with people of the same gender, and sometimes that bond is taken to the next level, and sometimes not -- but it's still there.

I find it interesting that men have to act like they're pussy hounds 24/7 and yet so much of their fun is being without women. So guys like to be with guys? So they share things with other guys they might not share with their girlfriend or wife? I say embrace that.

I'm not saying these movies are all about gay impulses, but they are about bonding with the same gender, and finding a certain intimacy.
 
Friendship is exactly like a relationship, minus the sex thing. That's why in high school, when two girls who had been best friends for ages, grew apart and stopped being friends, we all said that they had broken up.
 
MichelleLovesTo said:
I'm not saying these movies are all about gay impulses, but they are about bonding with the same gender, and finding a certain intimacy.
They are, pretty much, about love. But without the nookie.
 
Is this where we can post the "Brokeback Mt." Jokes?

My fave so far (my husband came up with this one): "The award nominee that came up from behind!"

Yuck, yuck, yuck! :nana:
 
MichelleLovesTo said:
As in, even I -- who likest the penis, felt the keen lack of womenfolk as they Hobbitted about To and 'Fro.

Okay, I like Liv Tyler too, so nevermind.

My thing is that it's natural to bond with people of the same gender, and sometimes that bond is taken to the next level, and sometimes not -- but it's still there.

I find it interesting that men have to act like they're pussy hounds 24/7 and yet so much of their fun is being without women. So guys like to be with guys? So they share things with other guys they might not share with their girlfriend or wife? I say embrace that.

I'm not saying these movies are all about gay impulses, but they are about bonding with the same gender, and finding a certain intimacy.
"Male bonding" is a huge theme in many Asian films, also. It's one of the reasons that many of those films don't make the transition to Western audiences very well; the intense bonding is often interpreted in the West as homoerotic, while in the East, that sort of intensity in not automatically viewed as sexual in nature.

Liar said:
They are, pretty much, about love. But without the nookie.
Exactly. Well said, Liar.
 
The article was a little too much on the condescending side for my taste, but I do agree with at least one thing he said, "In fact, it’s 129 minutes of really intense longing and sadness and unabashedly weepy, doomed love story."

It's not about the fuck, it's about the love. I look forward to seeing it for the drama. I imagine it's going to be a real heart-breaker. The sex is just a bonus feature.
 
I'm still not going to go see it.

I don't care how straight or how wrong that makes me.

I'm not the least bit interested.
 
As in, even I -- who likest the penis, felt the keen lack of womenfolk as they Hobbitted about To and 'Fro.


have you read the books?? It's even MORE obvious in the books... the womenfolk are nowhere near as alive as they are in the movies... they're almost footnotes for pete's sake!
 
SelenaKittyn said:
have you read the books?? It's even MORE obvious in the books... the womenfolk are nowhere near as alive as they are in the movies... they're almost footnotes for pete's sake!


I tried to read them, but I was just too damned bored.
 
SelenaKittyn said:
have you read the books?? It's even MORE obvious in the books... the womenfolk are nowhere near as alive as they are in the movies... they're almost footnotes for pete's sake!
yes, Middle Earth is a womanless world.
And since Tolkien was the greatest of the mytheopaeic writers, he set the tone for thud-and-blunder fiction for the next three-four decades. Ursula K. Leguin wrote "The Wizard of Earthsea" I remember reading an interview where she said it never occured to her that it could as easily have been a female wizard.

A good series with a female protagonist- an anti-hero- is the "Skeen" series, by Jo Clayton. Out of print,I'm sure.
 
Try The War of Wizards series by Andrew J. Offut.

The main character is a female pirate and she rocks.

The main wizard in it was great too. Still get the shivers over the nasty trap he laid for his worst rival.

If you want to read SF with good female characters try anything by James H. Schmitz. His novels The Demon Breed and Legacy, as well as his Telzey Amberdon stories were all just great.
 
The reason why so few of the main characters in novels are female, is because female lead characters don't sell as many books. If the hero is male, the book will be read by a lot of men and quite a few women. But if the hero is a heroïne, then the book will be read by just a few men and a few women. Even women leave the book lying!

The world is a patriarchal place, and we're raised with the unspoken message that women's adventures aren't worth any attention.

It starts with the kids - how many children's books feature female characters compared to the number of male characters? And it goes on through the years.

Those of us who try to read any book with a female lead character, are often disappointed that the author hasn't dared to go outside the traditional boundaries - I just finished a medical thriller where a female doctor struggles to find a cure for a man-made virus that's gotten into the hands of a group of neo-nazis. The book would have been very good, if the author hadn't been so afraid that her character would have been seen as too masculine unless she threw in a few irrelevant passages about how she's lectured by an old woman for not wearing a bra to church, or how she goes shopping for baby clothes for her pregnant friend, etc...
 
Svenskaflicka said:
The reason why so few of the main characters in novels are female, is because female lead characters don't sell as many books. If the hero is male, the book will be read by a lot of men and quite a few women. But if the hero is a heroïne, then the book will be read by just a few men and a few women. Even women leave the book lying!
This is very true. I remember telling a children's lit class that Harry Potter would have gone nowhere if it had been "Harriet Potter."

The thing is, girls can read and identify with the male protagonist of a book (in most cases). But men--and this is, IMHO, a matter of nuture and culture, not nature--cannot or are not allowed to identify with female protagonists. Which is why you won't see any little boys reading Anne of Green Gables (too embarassing even if they wanted to), but you will see little girls reading Where the Red Fern Grows and other "boy" books that contain almost no girls. Not embarassing, perfectly acceptable.

Boys usually only get interested in strong, female protagonists when they, the boys, reach puberty, and the fictional females are in comic book form (and I mean "comic book" in the best of all possible ways)--that is, when they're tough and cyber-punkish and sexy. Catwoman, for example, sells very well with guys from adolescence on up. She's busty, naughty, dangerous and she's got a whip ;)
 
3113 said:
Boys usually only get interested in strong, female protagonists when they, the boys, reach puberty, and the fictional females are in comic book form (and I mean "comic book" in the best of all possible ways)--that is, when they're tough and cyber-punkish and sexy. Catwoman, for example, sells very well with guys from adolescence on up. She's busty, naughty, dangerous and she's got a whip ;)

Do you think that's because they suddenly are ok with female protagonists, or that their hormones like the busty, naughty, dangerous Catwoman with a whip?
 
Svenskaflicka said:
The reason why so few of the main characters in novels are female, is because female lead characters don't sell as many books. If the hero is male, the book will be read by a lot of men and quite a few women. But if the hero is a heroïne, then the book will be read by just a few men and a few women. Even women leave the book lying!...
Yep- that's probably why "Skeen " is out of print. You'll notice all three books have five stars.
 
Norajane said:
Do you think that's because they suddenly are ok with female protagonists, or that their hormones like the busty, naughty, dangerous Catwoman with a whip?
It's the hormones. Absolutely. Not to say that they don't want a good story, but I'm guessing that the artist is more important than the writer in this case.

Ain't that right, guys?
 
3113 said:
It's the hormones. Absolutely. Not to say that they don't want a good story, but I'm guessing that the artist is more important than the writer in this case.

Ain't that right, guys?

Nope. It's the team for me.

I'm thinking of Watchmen. Which is still one of the best things I've ever read.

Favourite scene. Dr Manhattan and The Comedian watching Richard Nixon arrive for Victory in Vietnam Day.

The Comedian: It's all just a joke.
Dr. Manhattan: The burnt out villages? The young boys with necklaces of human ears? These are a joke?
The Comedian: I never said it was a good joke.

It had really interesting characters, a fantastic plot, the artwork was great and it even changed my perspective of the universe a little.

But it all had to work together.

And none of the women characters in it had a whip.
 
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