Humans, chimps may have bred after split

[Guest]

Humans, chimps may have bred after split

By Gareth Cook, Globe Staff | May 18, 2006

Boston scientists released a provocative report yesterday that challenges the timeline of human evolution and suggests that human ancestors bred with chimpanzee ancestors long after they had initially separated into two species.

The researchers, working at the Cambridge-based Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT, used a wealth of newly available genetic data to estimate the time when the first human ancestors split from the chimpanzees. The team arrived at an answer that is at least 1 million years later than paleontologists had believed, based on fossils of early, humanlike creatures.

The lead scientist said that this jarring conflict with the fossil record, combined with a number of other strange genetic patterns the team uncovered, led him to a startling explanation: that human ancestors evolved apart from the chimpanzees for hundreds of thousands of years, and then started breeding with them again before a final break.

''Something very unusual happened," said David Reich, one of the report's authors and a geneticist at the Broad and Harvard Medical School. (continues)

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2006/05/18/humans_chimps_may_have_bred_after_split/


I wonder what this does to the serious "Intelligent Design" advocates in my state?

I'm purposefully avoiding any serious discussion on this topic, of course.

So I suppose it's true. Give some guys a few drinks and they'll fuck anything, two or FOUR legs.

 

[3113]

Well, but there's an important part of the article you left out there:

...But it is also possible, he said, that the dating of the early human fossils is wrong, or that the dating of other, older fossils used in his calculations is wrong, which would partially undercut the interbreeding theory. Scientists said that the report will probably bring intense scrutiny, as researchers look for potential flaws in the work or other explanations for its findings.

Essentially, the senario postulated is that humans and chimp ancestors interbred, then stopped interbreeding, then, when human ancestors were at the walking upright stage, they started interbreeding again with chimps creating hybrids that eventually evolved into humans. Hence, humanity came about thanks to this bastardization (sic) of chimp and upright-ape NOT by coming down via upright ape alone.

I'm a little skeptical--not about our 5 million + ancestors fucking anything that moved, but skeptical about them being able to interbreed with the chimps after having not bred with them for a while.

 

[sardonic]

Well it would explain my attraction to hairy backs!

 

[Guest]

Well it would explain my attraction to hairy backs!

Good answer!

 

[Huckleman2000]

Well it would explain my attraction to hairy backs!

ROFL, I saw this thread and immediately thought to post "That would explain the hair on my back." You beat me to the punchline.

 

[R. Richard]

I'm a little skeptical--not about our 5 million + ancestors fucking anything that moved, but skeptical about them being able to interbreed with the chimps after having not bred with them for a while.

I can give specific evidence to your doubts. My last boss was undoubtedly a chimp/human crossbreed. He had the intelligence of a retarded chimp and the lack of morals that one finds only in humans. His appearance was such that any self respecting chimp group would have rejected him and only the anti-discrimination laws could have forced him on human beings. While he did not rise to the level of human intelligence, he did display a certain low animal cunning.

Definitely a chimp/human crossbreed and the clear reason why there was not too much of this sort of thing.

 

[JRaven]

Well, Sardonic beat Huckleman2000 to the hairy back thing.
R.Richard just beat me to the boss line.

Although, I was going to relate it to my current boss. He's definite proof of sub-human/chimp crossbreeding. I'm just not sure which was his father, which was his mother. Not sure I would want to know either!

 

[Huckleman2000]

Well, Sardonic beat Huckleman2000 to the hairy back thing.
R.Richard just beat me to the boss line.

Although, I was going to relate it to my current boss. He's definite proof of sub-human/chimp crossbreeding. I'm just not sure which was his father, which was his mother. Not sure I would want to know either!

Yup. This is one of those theories that sounds sort of crazy at first, but once you think about it, so many things start to fall into place!

 

[3113]

I can give specific evidence to your doubts. My last boss was undoubtedly a chimp/human crossbreed. He had the intelligence of a retarded chimp and the lack of morals that one finds only in humans.

Now, now, that isn't nice. Insulting chimps that way. I'm sure if your boss had had that much chim in him he would have been better behaved.

Or at least used sign language.

 

[TheEarl]

I'm a little skeptical--not about our 5 million + ancestors fucking anything that moved, but skeptical about them being able to interbreed with the chimps after having not bred with them for a while.

Horses and donkeys can breed, as can lions and tigers (AFAIK). Okay, so their offspring are sterile, but it's not completely inconceivable.

The Earl

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Humans, chimps may have bred after split

By Gareth Cook, Globe Staff | May 18, 2006

Boston scientists released a provocative report yesterday that challenges the timeline of human evolution and suggests that human ancestors bred with chimpanzee ancestors long after they had initially separated into two species.

The researchers, working at the Cambridge-based Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT, used a wealth of newly available genetic data to estimate the time when the first human ancestors split from the chimpanzees. The team arrived at an answer that is at least 1 million years later than paleontologists had believed, based on fossils of early, humanlike creatures.

The lead scientist said that this jarring conflict with the fossil record, combined with a number of other strange genetic patterns the team uncovered, led him to a startling explanation: that human ancestors evolved apart from the chimpanzees for hundreds of thousands of years, and then started breeding with them again before a final break.

''Something very unusual happened," said David Reich, one of the report's authors and a geneticist at the Broad and Harvard Medical School. (continues)

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2006/05/18/humans_chimps_may_have_bred_after_split/


I wonder what this does to the serious "Intelligent Design" advocates in my state?

I'm purposefully avoiding any serious discussion on this topic, of course.

So I suppose it's true. Give some guys a few drinks and they'll fuck anything, two or FOUR legs.

I would say it supports ID. any crack you find in the evolutionary theory is a crack they will exploit. And telling folks, who already believe evolution says we come from monkeys, that we turne dhuman and then went back to fucking chimps, is going to further their belief that evolution is bunk.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Well, but there's an important part of the article you left out there:



Essentially, the senario postulated is that humans and chimp ancestors interbred, then stopped interbreeding, then, when human ancestors were at the walking upright stage, they started interbreeding again with chimps creating hybrids that eventually evolved into humans. Hence, humanity came about thanks to this bastardization (sic) of chimp and upright-ape NOT by coming down via upright ape alone.

I'm a little skeptical--not about our 5 million + ancestors fucking anything that moved, but skeptical about them being able to interbreed with the chimps after having not bred with them for a while.

I'm not. Genetically speaking, we are still very close to the high end of the chimps/apes. These early "prothumans' like australeithicius were only slightly removed from their progenitor species. 1000 years seems like a lot, but in the case geologic time it's only a blink of an eye.

I doubt, a thousand years would have rendered corss breeding inviable. Especially since the proto humans hadn't migrated far, so the two species still shared climate and habitat that was the same. IIRC you don't see a huge amount of variety in the species until they migrated out of Africa and begant o have to adjust to colder climes or different food sources or other stressors.

 

[R. Richard]

Now, now, that isn't nice. Insulting chimps that way. I'm sure if your boss had had that much chim in him he would have been better behaved.

Or at least used sign language.

I often used sign language with him. Perhaps I should have used more than one finger, I don't know.

 

[vampiredust]

Humans, chimps may have bred after split

By Gareth Cook, Globe Staff | May 18, 2006

Boston scientists released a provocative report yesterday that challenges the timeline of human evolution and suggests that human ancestors bred with chimpanzee ancestors long after they had initially separated into two species.

The researchers, working at the Cambridge-based Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT, used a wealth of newly available genetic data to estimate the time when the first human ancestors split from the chimpanzees. The team arrived at an answer that is at least 1 million years later than paleontologists had believed, based on fossils of early, humanlike creatures.

The lead scientist said that this jarring conflict with the fossil record, combined with a number of other strange genetic patterns the team uncovered, led him to a startling explanation: that human ancestors evolved apart from the chimpanzees for hundreds of thousands of years, and then started breeding with them again before a final break.

''Something very unusual happened," said David Reich, one of the report's authors and a geneticist at the Broad and Harvard Medical School. (continues)

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2006/05/18/humans_chimps_may_have_bred_after_split/


I wonder what this does to the serious "Intelligent Design" advocates in my state?

I'm purposefully avoiding any serious discussion on this topic, of course.

So I suppose it's true. Give some guys a few drinks and they'll fuck anything, two or FOUR legs.

that explains me, then

 

[Guest]

I would say it supports ID. any crack you find in the evolutionary theory is a crack they will exploit. And telling folks, who already believe evolution says we come from monkeys, that we turne dhuman and then went back to fucking chimps, is going to further their belief that evolution is bunk.

Colly! Good to see you about.

And you have a very valid point. There are many fanatical religious zealots running amuck in Kansas. My husband and I often have to explain to our children the differences between what they learn in Sunday school and what the crazies are spouting in the name of religion.

Much of what the fanatics spew has nothing at all to do with Christian love and fellowship and peace-on-earth-goodwill-towards-men. (And women).

This new report about chimps will send them into a frenzy.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Colly! Good to see you about.

And you have a very valid point. There are many fanatical religious zealots running amuck in Kansas. My husband and I often have to explain to our children the differences between what they learn in Sunday school and what the crazies are spouting in the name of religion.

Much of what the fanatics spew has nothing at all to do with Christian love and fellowship and peace-on-earth-goodwill-towards-men. (And women).

This new report about chimps will send them into a frenzy.

Ya know, in this case, the enemy isn't even religion. It's ignorance.

People who are ignorant of what the theory of evolution really says. Or whom are too dull to actually look it up and will take som preordained "authority's" explanation. Because of this ignorance, they tend to take a massively complex and heavily studied and refined theory and boil it down to men came from apes.

Unfortuneatly, the truly ignorant, seem to be the loudest and they, again unforuneatly, cloak their ignorance with religious trappings.

 

[Guest]

Ya know, in this case, the enemy isn't even religion. It's ignorance.

People who are ignorant of what the theory of evolution really says. Or whom are too dull to actually look it up and will take som preordained "authority's" explanation. Because of this ignorance, they tend to take a massively complex and heavily studied and refined theory and boil it down to men came from apes.

Unfortuneatly, the truly ignorant, seem to be the loudest and they, again unforuneatly, cloak their ignorance with religious trappings.

Yes.

And these sweet little old ladies at our church repeat it - they know no better.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Yes.

And these sweet little old ladies at our church repeat it - they know no better.

And then the musicians have to further confuse things with silly fundamentalist lyrics.

You see, people like you and Colly and EL have salvaged my respect for a segment of individual Christians. You defy the negative stereotype that others create for you by their loud demands for a theocracy.

 

[Guest]

And then the musicians have to further confuse things with silly fundamentalist lyrics.

You see, people like you and Colly and EL have salvaged my respect for a segment of individual Christians. You defy the negative stereotype that others create for you by their loud demands for a theocracy.

Thanks, I think.

But don't knock the musicians! Musicians need love, too!

(Personally, though, I don't believe I'm all that positive an example of what a true Christian is supposed to be.)

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Thanks, I think.

But don't knock the musicians! Musicians need love, too!

(Personally, though, I don't believe I'm all that positive an example of what a true Christian is supposed to be.)

You're welcum.

And I think that you are a better example than many that I have met. And I've met quite a few in my lifetime. Hell, I used to be one myself.

And I know that about musicians. My brother is one.

 

[3113]

Okay, any of these guys look attractive to any of you?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40749000/jpg/_40749234_chimp3_getty_203.jpg

 

[Guest]

Okay, any of these guys look attractive to any of you?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40749000/jpg/_40749234_chimp3_getty_203.jpg

No, but the one on the right looks like my graduate advisor.

(He believes he's attractive.)

 

[elsol]

Wait... Intelligent Design people can read?

I thought they were all told what to belive by their local witch doctor.

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[R. Richard]

Okay, any of these guys look attractive to any of you?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40749000/jpg/_40749234_chimp3_getty_203.jpg

I can't be sure, since they all look pretty much alike to me. However, the one in the middle may well be my ex-boss. It has its mouth open and it isn't saying anything worthwhile at all.

 

[3113]

I can't be sure, since they all look pretty much alike to me. However, the one in the middle may well be my ex-boss. It has its mouth open and it isn't saying anything worthwhile at all.

*Ding*

Richard, you picked right! That was indeed your old boss! You just won yourself an all-expense paid vacation to Jane Goodall Land. Jane Goodall Land is a chimp refuge where you can mingle and interact with primates of all ages. We'll be including sexual aids and toys in case you have the urge to re-live the hominid/ape hybridization of yesteryear (5.4 million yesteryears to be exact).

It's a vaction you will not forget! Thanks for playing "Name that Chimp!"