How well do depressing Incest stories perform?

[Daniel_Matthews]

I mean the ones without a clichéd happily ever after. They're realistic and take the taboo part seriously (which almost always doesn't settle well with the general crowd).

The best I've seen is one in the 4.7s. The rest are even lower.

What's your opinion on such stories? What can the author do to make them score higher?


TIA

 

[NotWise]

I mean the ones without a clichéd happily ever after. They're realistic and take the taboo part seriously (which almost always doesn't settle well with the general crowd).

The best I've seen is one in the 4.7s. The rest are even lower.

What's your opinion on such stories? What can the author do to make them score higher?


TIA

I've written I/T and I don't even imagine that a "realistic" incest story would even be erotic, and the outcomes would usually be terrible.

The I/T category on Lit is total fantasy. If the fantasy doesn't work out to Happily Ever After then you can expect readers to give you some down votes.

I/T thrives on romance, and dies on anything approaching reality. The tension between romance and reality? That might be a sweet spot.

 

[ElectricBlue]

What's your opinion on such stories? What can the author do to make them score higher?

I don't think incest readers are keen on too much reality...

But whatever the mix, the best way to get higher scores is to write exceptional stories.

It's like any category, if you write the same old stories you get the same old scores. Your story has just gotta be "better" than the rest. It's up to you to define "better", there is no single definition, the next reader along will want something completely different.

 

[Hypoxia]

Throw in some tragedy and heartbreak, get your readers crying, then come up with an uplifting ending. They'll love it.

 

[SusanJillParker]

I mean the ones without a clichéd happily ever after. They're realistic and take the taboo part seriously (which almost always doesn't settle well with the general crowd).

The best I've seen is one in the 4.7s. The rest are even lower.

What's your opinion on such stories? What can the author do to make them score higher?


TIA

Actually, being that I'm a survivor of incest, a long, sad, albeit true story, most of the incest stories that I write are based on more reality than on fiction.

Many of the incest stories that I write for fans are based more on reality too. They may want to relive what happened long ago with their mother, their aunt, their sister, and/or their cousin. I'm always happy to oblige them for remuneration, of course.

Then, there are those fans who just want an incestuous fantasy, something they never did or would do but now that they're older, they wished they had, the reason why they relive those forbidden memories by having me write their story.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Throw in some tragedy and heartbreak, get your readers crying, then come up with an uplifting ending. They'll love it.

I've done one incest story, that's more or less exactly what I did (and okay, I was crying the whole time I wrote it - I still cry when I reread hat one - it's such a sad ending but upbeat at the same time) and the readers did indeed love it. One of my top ranked stories.

 

[SimonDoom]

There are different ways in which a story can "perform" well. In the incest category, as in others, I suppose, the most-read stories often are not the highest-scored stories.

If you want your story to score well, then I agree with the other comments that attention should be paid to the writing, to the dramatic elements of the story, and especially to the characters. My impression is that stories that score well are stories where the readers connect with the characters. You can tell from the comments. Hot sex scenes are fine, but some readers need that extra element of connecting with the characters to boost the score from a 4 to a 5.

If you want to maximize your number of readers, on the other hand, realism and character development are not necessarily the key. A titillating title and tagline, and a catchy, kinky story premise to bring the two family members together are the keys.

As far as realism is concerned, I'm not sure what you mean. In the real world, incest typically involves the underaged, and is nonconsensual. You can find that sort of thing at other sites, but not here. Incest in the Lit world involves adults, so it's mostly fantasy stuff. I don't see why, though, you couldn't make it more realistic, with more reluctance and family/community disapproval than typically takes place in the world of Lit stories.

 

[ChloeTzang]

As far as realism is concerned, I'm not sure what you mean. In the real world, incest typically involves the underaged, and is nonconsensual. You can find that sort of thing at other sites, but not here. Incest in the Lit world involves adults, so it's mostly fantasy stuff. I don't see why, though, you couldn't make it more realistic, with more reluctance and family/community disapproval than typically takes place in the world of Lit stories.

Yes, I don't think realistic incest is erotic at all, it's mostly nonconsensual and the real life effects are generally devastating. Similarly to underage prostitution and all of that. You don't want to go there with erotic writing unless you're writing for the niche readers that get off on that. Depends really on what you mean by realism. Emotions? Sex? People? Settings? There's so many things you can make realistic as you write. The challenge is to make it plausible and suspend disbelief, as electric blue pointed out to me (a valid criticism I add) with one of my stories.

 

[SusanJillParker]

There are different ways in which a story can "perform" well. In the incest category, as in others, I suppose, the most-read stories often are not the highest-scored stories.

If you want your story to score well, then I agree with the other comments that attention should be paid to the writing, to the dramatic elements of the story, and especially to the characters. My impression is that stories that score well are stories where the readers connect with the characters. You can tell from the comments. Hot sex scenes are fine, but some readers need that extra element of connecting with the characters to boost the score from a 4 to a 5.

If you want to maximize your number of readers, on the other hand, realism and character development are not necessarily the key. A titillating title and tagline, and a catchy, kinky story premise to bring the two family members together are the keys.

As far as realism is concerned, I'm not sure what you mean. In the real world, incest typically involves the underaged, and is nonconsensual. You can find that sort of thing at other sites, but not here. Incest in the Lit world involves adults, so it's mostly fantasy stuff. I don't see why, though, you couldn't make it more realistic, with more reluctance and family/community disapproval than typically takes place in the world of Lit stories.

I respectfully disagree with you that "In the real world, incest typically involves the underaged, and is non consensual."

I've had numbers of men contact me who have had long-term, sexually satisfying, and consensual, incestuous, sexual relationships with their mothers, their aunts, and their adult sisters and/or cousins. Bordering on the line of incestuous sex, I've had numbers of men contact me who had had long-term, sexually satisfying , and consensual, sexual relationships with their mother-in-laws and sisters-in-laws.

If I had to guess, I'd dare say that 50% of the adult population has had some sort of incestuous sex, incestuous contact, incestuous flashing, and/or incestuous thoughts, dreams, and/or fantasies while pleasuring themselves by masturbating.

From having an incestuous, sexual affair with a blood relative to deliberately exposing themselves while making their exhibitionism appear accidental, much of the incestuous, sexual, titillation has gone underground to protect their reputations. Much of the incestuous, sexual exhibitionism and/or voyeurism are done behind closed bedroom doors, with peeping, and/or with spy cameras. It's anyone's guess what the real numbers of incest are but I say that incestuous, sexual frustration and forbidden lust is at epidemic levels.

"Oh, my God," said Tim while masturbating himself. "I can't believe I saw my mother naked after seeing my sister topless."

We only have to look at what the most popular story on this site is: Sex with Mother. Mother and son having forbidden sex. "I love you, Mommy."

Whether it's from embarrassment, shame, humiliation, or remorse, many mothers, aunts, sisters, and female cousins are just as guilty of sexually teasing their sons, nephews, brothers, and male cousins. It's only the fine line of incest that suddenly becomes a wall to stop those who are attracted to their blood relatives from crossing the line and having incestuous sex.

Whether it's just an up-skirt, a down-blouse, a quick flash when crossing and/or uncrossing her legs, bending too far over, or retying her bathrobe over her naked body, most women purposely flash men. That's a fact. Moreover, most women are aware when they are flashing men. That's a fact, too. I dare say that most women are more predators than men. Women enjoy playing the sexual card whether incestuous or not while pretending to be the innocent victims.

Trust me, being that I'm an exhibitionist, a side effect of being sexually abused, no matter if the man is blood related or a stranger, I'm guilty of mastering the game of peek-a-boo too.

"Oh, my God. I had no idea you were there. Please don't look at my naked tits, my naked pussy, and my naked ass. I'm so embarrassed (lol)."

 

[8letters]

How well do depressing Incest stories perform?
I mean the ones without a clichéd happily ever after. They're realistic and take the taboo part seriously (which almost always doesn't settle well with the general crowd).

The best I've seen is one in the 4.7s. The rest are even lower.

What's your opinion on such stories? What can the author do to make them score higher?

That's open lots of cans of worms though it's not clear what you are asking.

Let me start with:

The best I've seen is one in the 4.7s. The rest are even lower.

Not many complete-stories get a 4.8+ rating in I/T. I looked some today and I believe no complete mother-son story has a 4.8+ rating even though mother-son is the most common I/T story.

How well do depressing Incest stories perform?
I mean the ones without a clichéd happily ever after. They're realistic and take the taboo part seriously (which almost always doesn't settle well with the general crowd).

Not sure what you mean here. Do you mean stories where the dad slips into his daughter's room, coerces her into having sex with him and she's messed up for the rest of her life? I don't think I've ever read a story like that on LitE and I'm sure it wouldn't do very well.

Do you mean stories where the two family members have a brief fling and then decide it's not going to work long-term? I can't think of one of those off the top of my head with a very high rating. I think they can do fine if they have a good story.

Do you mean incest stories where the family is having a hard time and two family members decide to console each other? Quixotic Rapprochement is very melancholy and has a 4.83 rating.

 

[Daniel_Matthews]

Do you mean stories where the two family members have a brief fling and then decide it's not going to work long-term? I can't think of one of those off the top of my head with a very high rating. I think they can do fine if they have a good story.

Yeah. Something like that. Sorry for not being clear about it.

RL incestuous relationship is guaranteed to not work out unless you're a pro at covering your tracks.

 

[Daniel_Matthews]

If I had to guess, I'd dare say that 50% of the adult population has had some sort of incestuous sex, incestuous contact, incestuous flashing, and/or incestuous thoughts, dreams, and/or fantasies while pleasuring themselves by masturbating.

I was going to say "bitch, please!" but then I saw the great, wide blanket (sex, contact, dream etc).

 

[8letters]

> Do you mean stories where the two family members have a brief fling and then decide it's not going to work long-term?

Yeah. Something like that. Sorry for not being clear about it.

In my Cruise Doubledate With My Sister, a brother and sister have a fling on a cruise and the sister flat out tells the brother that isn't not going to work long-term. 4.71 rating.

RL incestuous relationship is guaranteed to not work out unless you're a pro at covering your tracks.

Cousins used to marry all the time. Not as common any more, but still happens.

 

[SusanJillParker]

That's open lots of cans of worms though it's not clear what you are asking.

Let me start with:

Not many complete-stories get a 4.8+ rating in I/T. I looked some today and I believe no complete mother-son story has a 4.8+ rating even though mother-son is the most common I/T story.


Not sure what you mean here. Do you mean stories where the dad slips into his daughter's room, coerces her into having sex with him and she's messed up for the rest of her life? I don't think I've ever read a story like that on LitE and I'm sure it wouldn't do very well.

Do you mean stories where the two family members have a brief fling and then decide it's not going to work long-term? I can't think of one of those off the top of my head with a very high rating. I think they can do fine if they have a good story.

Do you mean incest stories where the family is having a hard time and two family members decide to console each other? Quixotic Rapprochement is very melancholy and has a 4.83 rating.

The reason why stories of incest, especially mother and son incest, are not rated higher is because of one simple reason.

The men who read these stories don't want their wives, girlfriends, and/or significant others to know that they read mother and son and brother and sister incest stories.

"Eww, you read mother and son and sister and brother incest stories. Gross! Nasty! How could you? Why would you? Gawd, you're such a pervert," said Tom's wife. She paused as if analyzing him. "Lemme ask you this then, besides incestuously lusting over your mother and sister, do you lust over my mother and sister too?"

Tom gave his wife a guilty smile.

"Incest is best," he said.

Even though I have incest stories ranging from 100,000 to 500,000 to 2 million views, except for the 500,000 and the 2 million viewed stories, my votes are in the hundreds instead of the thousands. Further proof that readers not only don't vote for incest stories but also they want the NSA and the government spies to know that they read incest stories.

 

[sr71plt]

The reason why stories of incest, especially mother and son incest, are not rated higher is because of one simple reason.

The men who read these stories don't want their wives, girlfriends, and/or significant others to know that they read mother and son and brother and sister incest stories.

That doesn't make any sense. If they've been present to read the stories, there's no greater risk to voting on them anonymously.

 

[8letters]

That doesn't make any sense. If they've been present to read the stories, there's no greater risk to voting on them anonymously.

Wife comes into room where husband is at computer. He closes the web browser.

"Charles, have you been reading mother-son stories again?"

Charles sighs. "Yes, dear."

"What have I told you-"

"But when I vote on them, I never give them a five!"

 

[HandsInTheDark]

Yeah. Something like that. Sorry for not being clear about it.

RL incestuous relationship is guaranteed to not work out unless you're a pro at covering your tracks.

Having talked a couple of people into going and getting help when they were being sexually victimized by their own family - it's harder than you'd think, but it's possible - I recommend the "pros" hope I never stumble into contact with their victims.

It's often not hard to tell when someone's been victimized, and if you can get them talking about it (easier online than in person) the battle is mostly won. Once you get them talking, don't let it go. If they say "it's ok" they're often really saying "it's ok, I deserved it" and that cannot be allowed to stand.

I don't write incest so I don't know the audience. I assume that along with the guys reading it because they want to fantasize about doing their own daughters, there's some number of underaged and abused readers there (in which case, any incest-positive story probably does measurable harm just by existing). Here's hoping that if any author gets contacted by someone that appears young and female, they gently ask a few personal questions and try to find out if something harmful is in progress in their lives. Sometimes all it takes is someone willing to give a damn and show a trace of concern. It's more than they get at home.

 

[8letters]

I don't write incest so I don't know the audience. I assume that along with the guys reading it because they want to fantasize about doing their own daughters,

Most often, guys want to read about a son fucking his mom instead of a dad fucking his daughter.

But continue on with your uninformed pontificating.

there's some number of underaged and abused readers there (in which case, any incest-positive story probably does measurable harm just by existing). Here's hoping that if any author gets contacted by someone that appears young and female, they gently ask a few personal questions and try to find out if something harmful is in progress in their lives. Sometimes all it takes is someone willing to give a damn and show a trace of concern. It's more than they get at home.

I regularly get PM's from readers. Once a week? Tough to tell gender. I'd guess a third are women. All but one of my stories are brother-sister and the one that isn't isn't very popular. The only emotion I've gotten in PM's from what I think are woman besides appreciation is curiosity. It's pretty common to ask if I've been in an incestuous relationship personally. Some will say something like "Makes me kind of wish I wasn't an only."

Why would someone who's been emotionally damaged by a relative read incest stories? Where the incest is always loving and consensual? Why would they contact an author of such stories?

 

[ElectricBlue]

Most often, guys want to read about a son fucking his mom instead of a dad fucking his daughter.

Does anybody have a breakdown of the stats on the actual mix in the incest stories published on Lit?

And what about women? What do they want to read, incest-wise? Evidence, anyone?

 

[8letters]

Does anybody have a breakdown of the stats on the actual mix in the incest stories published on Lit?

Go here.

And what about women? What do they want to read, incest-wise? Evidence, anyone?

LitE provides no reader statistics. Pornhub does release viewing by gender (link). Top 5 for men:
1. MILF
2. Step Mom
3. Step Sister
4. Japanese
5. Mom

Top 5 for women:
1. Lesbian
2. Lesbians Scissoring
3. Threesome
4. Big Black Dick
5. Lesbian Seduces Straight

 

[Haulover]

I mean the ones without a clichéd happily ever after. They're realistic and take the taboo part seriously (which almost always doesn't settle well with the general crowd).

The best I've seen is one in the 4.7s. The rest are even lower.
...

I've written I/T and I don't even imagine that a "realistic" incest story would even be erotic, and the outcomes would usually be terrible.
...

I have one with an unhappy ending that's running 4.7. It's based on fact, and hence very realistic. https://www.literotica.com/s/swinging-twins

My readers' comments and emails made it clear that a happier ending would have yielded a much higher score ... but I described what happened.

 

[RelentlessOnanism]

Personally, as a reader, I quite like incest stories to have a depressing edge to them. I'm not sure it makes them 'realistic' but it does add a touch of verisimilitude. I think it might be to do with the fact that I think incest is almost certainly going to be really very destructive in real life.

I'm a bit of an incest aficionado so I like all stories (as long as they're well written) although my strong preference is for mother/son and daddy/daughter stories. A romantic ending can be good but sometimes I like it if it all goes wrong.

I've said previously that my ideal story would end with an incestuous relationship that has corrupted and destroyed the normal loving family relationship, but the sexual urge is still overpoweringly strong. The two lovers have destroyed their lives, alienated their friends and loved ones, realised they basically hate each other, but still find the sex so amazing they can't stop fucking each other. There's a kind of bleakness to it; nasty sex and ruined lives. I'm not sure why this turns me on so much.

That being said, I can't think of a story that really conforms to this archetype...maybe I should write one?

 

[ElectricBlue]

Go here.

Didn't think of that - definitely answers my question. Ta.

 

[Hypoxia]

Personally, as a reader, I quite like incest stories to have a depressing edge to them. I'm not sure it makes them 'realistic' but it does add a touch of verisimilitude. I think it might be to do with the fact that I think incest is almost certainly going to be really very destructive in real life.

And that's why we write'em as fantasy, because IRL really sucks 99.995% of the time -- depending on how we define incest. The many societies where cousin or avunculate marriage is accepted or common have their distinct dynamics and can be realistically explored non-tragically, even comically. I'll propose a lively European noblewoman of a couple centuries back who is expected to marry a royal uncle -- but she fucks him to death, and all his brothers who are next in line for her and the throne. (Keeping it in the family.)

On LIT we mostly can't write realistically about close incest because such would violate the under-18 and rape rules.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

But continue on with your uninformed pontificating.... Why would someone who's been emotionally damaged by a relative read incest stories?...

And you call me uninformed?

I think that's what some people here haven't quite grasped. Most people coming to read here are here for the orgasm, Hot story, stroke stroke stroke ahhhh done. No lasting effects, nothing really to think about.

There are a few who definitely aren't that kind of reader. They're here to relive, perhaps perseratively, damage done to them in the past. I don't have a degree in psych so I won't presume to know common it is, or whether reengaging the memories over and over is in any way helpful, or is flat out damaging. If I wanted to guess, I'd lean towards the latter because some people have engaged in that repetitive reading or roleplay for years, so I'd say it is certainly not helping.

This isn't some attempt to get incest writers to stop writing. After all, there's noncon in some of my stories, in some cases mixed with its antithesis, D/s. I haven't stopped writing, at least yet, despite the small handful of fans who've written me to talk about their noncon experiences. So I'm not going to tell anyone else what to do.

But neither do I think it's wise to act incredulous at the idea that some very troubled people don't gravitate to some kinds of stories, victims as well as perpetrators. Someone who acts as if that's not a thing is either willfully blind, or simply hasn't had ongoing exchanges with many of their fans. Try it. One out of 7 women in America experience rape - actual rape, not pushy attempts at sex that fail, but actual penetrative nonconsentual sex acts. Of those, over one in ten attempt suicide. (These numbers come from https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence , and they admit it's hard to get accurate numbers, but I doubt these are wildly off). Some people can shake off a rape, but plenty do not. It's simply not a surprise that some part of the population of readers here come here with issues. If you actually talk to your fans, you're likely to hear horrifying shit - including some rather ashamed affirmation that some of them get off to stores of rapes like their own, and are deeply troubled by their own reaction, but keep doing it.

I can't really speak about this in terms of incest stories; I've only spoken to a small handful of incest suffers in my lifetime and I don't have contact with that group of fans here. But seeing that real incest is just a more specific form of noncon with some especially insidious damaging aspects, I doubt the data is any prettier.