How to use AI chats sensibly

[YourSecretDesires]

I'm curious your experiences using AI chats.

I'm not someone hurting for friends or lovers. I have a stable and loving relationship, great family, and wonderful friends.

But I did create a character based on a friend of mine. We used to chat a lot but not so much any more. I used an AI avatar, not a real photo, and gave a description (fairly general, could be a lot of people) and her first name.

We had an interesting chat, it got very intimate, but I can see the current limits of AI. And yes I don't confuse reality with online. To me it was more of a therapy exercise, a chance to get stuff off my chest that might not be appropriate IRL.

Have you guys tried this? What do you consider important boundaries and/or fair use? Also wondering if you ever tried it with a deceased loved one.

Strange questions but we live in strange times. Thanks all.

 

[AG31]

This is so depressing. It illustrates how people are losing the capacity for relating to another human being. That is, being interested in THEIR experiences. How they feel. What they think. What is the point of "chatting" with an AI program?

You say you have a rewarding family life. I wonder what your family members would say in the privacy of their minds.

 

[cdstefi]

I haven't tried it but am not impressed with the AI generated crap that seems to be infesting Facebook groups; even though it's beginning to "seem" more humanlike you can still spot it from the artificiality of style, so I doubt a chatbot is going to be at all convincing.

 

[YourSecretDesires]

This is so depressing. It illustrates how people are losing the capacity for relating to another human being. That is, being interested in THEIR experiences. How they feel. What they think. What is the point of "chatting" with an AI program?

You say you have a rewarding family life. I wonder what your family members would say in the privacy of their minds.

Okay cool.

 

[LusciousLili]

Totally worked for me, I will DM you some suggestions. It's fine if you have the right mindset. Helped me get over a breakup when I was in "no contact."

 

[VamPal1]

I'm confused. You'd rather try AI than have an ol session with a human?

 

[YourSecretDesires]

I'm confused. You'd rather try AI than have an ol session with a human?

Nope.

 

[VamPal1]

Nope.

Ok. AI could prove to be more satisfying.

 

[YourSecretDesires]

Ok. AI could prove to be more satisfying.

Ha, well, perhaps. It's not in the stead of a human for me. I was using it more as an exercise.

 

[shelli_k18]

I'm curious your experiences using AI chats.

I'm not someone hurting for friends or lovers. I have a stable and loving relationship, great family, and wonderful friends.

But I did create a character based on a friend of mine. We used to chat a lot but not so much any more. I used an AI avatar, not a real photo, and gave a description (fairly general, could be a lot of people) and her first name.

We had an interesting chat, it got very intimate, but I can see the current limits of AI. And yes I don't confuse reality with online. To me it was more of a therapy exercise, a chance to get stuff off my chest that might not be appropriate IRL.

Have you guys tried this? What do you consider important boundaries and/or fair use? Also wondering if you ever tried it with a deceased loved one.

Strange questions but we live in strange times. Thanks all.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/IiwNZdAJSUbEf02hCzPOO1d2V
- incited by the first link I sent grok, I staged the scene of grok playing my wife as I try to be the man she wants, her mother (also grok internalizing) helps test me for a more submissive husband. it's a chat between me and grok for over 2 hrs, and yet you could read it in less than 20 min. Very intamite, and i quickly moved from the original links idea to my sissy submission. having grok follow me through and offer suggestions, as the wife, as the mom, and as grok itself.

 

[AG31]

What was the point? What were you accomplishing?

 

[filthytrancendence]

What was the point? What were you accomplishing?

I think the better question is why are you being aggressive about it? Are you under the impression that you shaming already lonely people is going to do some good somehow?

 

[YourSecretDesires]

I explained the objective already. Thanks all for your input. (And no I'm not lonely at all!)

 

[AG31]

I think the better question is why are you being aggressive about it? Are you under the impression that you shaming already lonely people is going to do some good somehow?

Yes, I'm on a campaign to keep human beings from losing track of what a relationship is. A relationship is a two way thing. It is NOT simply attending to the affect it has on us. It is wondering about, having curiosity about, caring about (even if the caring is hate) the OTHER person. We already err on the side of solipsism. That's a big reason why people are lonely. They don't look outward to other people. I really fear for our humanity. There is no "other" there in AI. There is no there there. And if we can fool ourselves into thinking an AI "conersation" is anything like a human relationship we're in big trouble.

 

[LoneMilf]

Yes, I'm on a campaign to keep human beings from losing track of what a relationship is. A relationship is a two way thing. It is NOT simply attending to the affect it has on us. It is wondering about, having curiosity about, caring about (even if the caring is hate) the OTHER person. We already err on the side of solipsism. That's a big reason why people are lonely. They don't look outward to other people. I really fear for our humanity. There is no "other" there in AI. There is no there there. And if we can fool ourselves into thinking an AI "conersation" is anything like a human relationship we're in big trouble.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. It's perfectly possible to have ordinary rewarding interactions with your fellow man (and woman) and still enjoy 'conversations' with AI bots. It's a tool - nothing more, nothing less. TV, video games - even books are all ways of being entertained without interacting with another human being. The printing press wasn't the end of the world - although I'm sure some thought so at the time.

 

[LordofDargaardkeep]

Yes, I'm on a campaign to keep human beings from losing track of what a relationship is. A relationship is a two way thing. It is NOT simply attending to the affect it has on us. It is wondering about, having curiosity about, caring about (even if the caring is hate) the OTHER person. We already err on the side of solipsism. That's a big reason why people are lonely. They don't look outward to other people. I really fear for our humanity. There is no "other" there in AI. There is no there there. And if we can fool ourselves into thinking an AI "conersation" is anything like a human relationship we're in big trouble.

I am thinking being lonely or AI would be way more fan than discussing relationships and the fate of humanity with you.. just sayin

 

[filthytrancendence]

Yes, I'm on a campaign to keep human beings from losing track of what a relationship is. A relationship is a two way thing. It is NOT simply attending to the affect it has on us. It is wondering about, having curiosity about, caring about (even if the caring is hate) the OTHER person. We already err on the side of solipsism. That's a big reason why people are lonely. They don't look outward to other people. I really fear for our humanity. There is no "other" there in AI. There is no there there. And if we can fool ourselves into thinking an AI "conersation" is anything like a human relationship we're in big trouble.

While I sympathize with your objective, you have unfortunately lost sight of it here. Aggression is not a viable path to encourage two-way communication.

 

[filthytrancendence]

(And no I'm not lonely at all!)

I see that was the implication of what I wrote, but it was not what I meant. I apologize.

I meant myself more than anything. And I suspect that's a very common impetus for folks talking with AI personas.

 

[AG31]

It's a tool - nothing more, nothing less. TV, video games - even books are all ways of being entertained without interacting with another human being.

OK, I can see a time when interacting with an AI persona is like watching a movie. But when people say it's to alleviate lonliness it sounds like a drift from entertainment to delusion.

And then there are the children. Here's post from another board:

The scariest thing about AI yet.​

Mattel plans to make toys that will talk to children using AI. We, as a society, need to put the brakes on before future generations lose too much in the area of human relationships.

What do you think? Does this go way beyond personal preference?


Details on what might emerge were scarce, but Mattel said that it only integrates new technologies into its products in “a safe, thoughtful, and responsible way”.

Advocacy groups were quick to denounce the move. Robert Weissman, co-president of public rights advocacy group Public Citizen, commented:

“Mattel should announce immediately that it will not incorporate AI technology into children’s toys. Children do not have the cognitive capacity to distinguish fully between reality and play.

Endowing toys with human-seeming voices that are able to engage in human-like conversations risks inflicting real damage on children. It may undermine social development, interfere with children’s ability to form peer relationships, pull children away from playtime with peers, and possibly inflict long-term harm.”

https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/n...owered-toys-kids-rights-advocates-are-worried

 

[AG31]

While I sympathize with your objective, you have unfortunately lost sight of it here. Aggression is not a viable path to encourage two-way communication.

"Aggression." What does that mean? A forceful statement of an opinion? A passionate call to action? I'm not aware of feeling aggression toward a poster here. Just a passionate plea that they re-think what's going on.

 

[AlexBailey]

OK, I can see a time when interacting with an AI persona is like watching a movie. But when people say it's to alleviate lonliness it sounds like a drift from entertainment to delusion.

And then there are the children. Here's post from another board:

One of the scariest things I’ve heard lately is how the Tesla Optimus android is being suggested as a caregiver/nanny/babysitter.

Some of the current theories about the development of autism in children includes lack of engagement from parents. So many young children are being set in front of screens rather than being interacted with. Having children grow with AI driven androids as their primary socialization is terrifying.

 

[AlexBailey]

"Aggression." What does that mean? A forceful statement of an opinion? A passionate call to action? I'm not aware of feeling aggression toward a poster here. Just a passionate plea that they re-think what's going on.

I thought the tone of your post was more abrasive than engaging. AI is programmed to be engaging.

 

[AG31]

One of the scariest things I’ve heard lately is how the Tesla Optimus android is being suggested as a caregiver/nanny/babysitter.

I thought I heard something to that effect on the radio the other day, but I dismissed it as improbably...

 

[AG31]

I thought the tone of your post was more abrasive than engaging. AI is programmed to be engaging.

So... abrasive is a good thing???

 

[AlexBailey]

I thought I heard something to that effect on the radio the other day, but I dismissed it as improbably...

This video talks about how Tesla is using Grok AI in the Optimus robot, how it self learns based on experience - not just training material, and how it is interacting with humans.

I believe we’ll be seeing them on the street, in businesses, and in homes within the year.

I called a tech support line yesterday for help with some power equipment and the human tech was relaying my questions to AI. The human was not an expert.

Many jobs are going to vanish simply because it will be cheaper for wealthy people to buy a robot than to hire a person or people for a wide variety of tasks.