How to turn a democracy into a violent dictatorship 101

[Mike_Yates]

Law scholar Naomi Wolf breaks down how to turn a peaceful and thriving democracy into a ruthless and violent dictatorship.

Evidently there are rogue criminal elements operating deep inside the western intelligence community, military industrial complex, and in various corporations and industries, who are invoking the threat of terrorism in order to slowly and gradually repeal privacy/civil rights and eventually shut down democracy in America/abroad, and establish a full-blown police state/military dictatorship where not even the most basic human rights exist.

It's not just America where this is happening, it's the entire planet we're talking about. There will NOT be ANY freedom or prosperity, ANYWHERE, EVER, on planet Earth if whoever is doing this gets their way!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8u-5gsZdgc

 

[Conager]

It's a bit harder to turn a republic into a dictatorship that's why people are actively working to turn our republic into a democracy.

Given the choice between a democracy and a benevolent dictatorship I'll take the dictatorship. If I don't like the dictator I'll just throw him out and install a new one.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It's a bit harder to turn a republic into a dictatorship that's why people are actively working to turn our republic into a democracy.

Given the choice between a democracy and a benevolent dictatorship I'll take the dictatorship. If I don't like the dictator I'll just throw him out and install a new one.

What size wrench do you need for a thing like that?

 

[hashtag45]

Excellent link. Thanks, Mike.
This one is in a similar line and is good too:


Naomi Klein: The Shock Doctrine
http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine

"The Shock Doctrine is the gripping story of how America’s “free market” policies have come to dominate the world-- through the exploitation of disaster-shocked people and countries.

It shows in riveting detail how well-known events of the recent past have been deliberate, active theatres for the shock doctrine, among them: Pinochet’s coup in Chile in 1973, the Falklands War in 1982, the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989, the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, the Asian Financial crisis in 1997 and Hurricane Mitch in 1998. "

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mGmB63TIHLY

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Her last 15 minutes of fame:

It was Al Gore, though, who really helped the idea of male alphas and betas blow up in the 1990s. In late 1999, Time magazine, reporting on Gore’s hiring of Naomi Wolf as a consultant, reported that “Wolf has argued internally that Gore is a ‘Beta male’ who needs to take on the ‘Alpha male’ in the Oval Office before the public will see him as the top dog.” This notion — that Gore was trying to step out of the hypermasculine shadow of Bill Clinton — proved irresistible to the media. “Can Gore Go Alpha?” wondered the Times in a 1999 article which then then offered some thoughts from experts on how Gore could achieve the alphaness he was seeking. One of those experts suggested that he was just too loyal a husband and father to be an alpha: “He stays with the same woman, he likes his kids. He’s photographed with the grandchild. He doesn’t hide his age, He’s perfectly decent, and real men aren’t perfectly decent.” Naturally, Wolf didn’t take well to the narrative that she was trying to turn Gore into an aggressive bulldog. “Naomi Wolf, the feminist writer turned feminist campaign consultant, disputes the notion that she has been giving Al Gore secret lessons in how to bare his teeth, growl and get elected leader of the pack,” led a Times story a few days days later — Wolf claimed she had only mentioned the term once.

http://nymag.com/betamale/2016/05/the-rise-of-the-alpha-beta-male.html

She a hard-left fucking hack.

 

[Conager]

Her last 15 minutes of fame:



http://nymag.com/betamale/2016/05/the-rise-of-the-alpha-beta-male.html

She a hard-left fucking hack.

Maybe Rob can higher her as a consultant. His current program of simply announcing that he's "Alpha-As-Fuck!!" doesn't seem to be working too well for him.

Smacks of try-hard.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

 

[underguy1]

It's a bit harder to turn a republic into a dictatorship that's why people are actively working to turn our republic into a democracy.

Given the choice between a democracy and a benevolent dictatorship I'll take the dictatorship. If I don't like the dictator I'll just throw him out and install a new one.

Thanks for the best laugh I've had in weeks.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6cPeRtFXoP4/TrFu4bH9lQI/AAAAAAAAAUc/hh69hnFsfTM/s1600/christonabike.jpg

 

[Rachel_X]

The best way to do it would be to let me take over office.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Law scholar Naomi Wolf breaks down how to turn a peaceful and thriving democracy into a ruthless and violent dictatorship.

Evidently there are rogue criminal elements operating deep inside the western intelligence community, military industrial complex, and in various corporations and industries, who are invoking the threat of terrorism in order to slowly and gradually repeal privacy/civil rights and eventually shut down democracy in America/abroad, and establish a full-blown police state/military dictatorship where not even the most basic human rights exist.

It's not just America where this is happening, it's the entire planet we're talking about. There will NOT be ANY freedom or prosperity, ANYWHERE, EVER, on planet Earth! If whoever is doing this gets their way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8u-5gsZdgc

Listening to this dire warning from 2007 it's a good thing that Obama was elected to put a stop to the ten steps to dictatorship that she says were already underway under the Bush administration.

 

[pete]

i think i saw this movie... but in the end cap'n america defeated hydra, so we're good.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

i think i saw this movie... but in the end cap'n america defeated hydra, so we're good.

But then Cap turned out to be a Hydra agent all along!

 

[hashtag45]

Sheldon Wolin is another prominent intellectual who approached the topic of totalitarianism.
He focused mainly on inverted totallitarianism.
This article by Chris Hedges sums up nicely Sheldon Wolin's theory:

Sheldon Wolin and Inverted Totalitarianism
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/sheldon_wolin_and_inverted_totalitarianism_20151101

I might actually start too, a thread about it tonight (even if most Litsters have me on iggy. )
Thanks for the awesome thread and the reminder, Mike.

 

[hashtag45]

Unfortunately, as this threads demonstrates (nothing personal guys, particularly 4est, since I'm a fan of some of you too),
too often intellectuals like Naomi Wolf, who challenge the establishment or the corporate state are labelled as conspiracy theorists.

Some of her ideas were indeed a bit wacky and over the top. But if one disregards that part of her writings and focuses on the good, they'll notice that quite a lot of the things that she wrote about apply.
Her predictions about the global (beyond the US) totallitarian state have not been achieved in the sense of "all 10 steps check check", but one easily recognises several of the steps described, in various or partial forms, today.


Do you also have some more recent talks -re the current geopolitical climate- by Naomi Wolf, Mike? I googled briefly and I saw a speech about Canada.

 

[underguy1]

Listening to this dire warning from 2007 it's a good thing that Obama was elected to put a stop to the ten steps to dictatorship that she says were already underway under the Bush administration.

What has Obama done to stop it? He's increased it.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

How we get to a totalitarian state is best explained by Hayek's Road to Serfdom and Peikoff's The Ominous Parallels.

Other noted commentaries on the path are to be found in the writings of Machiavelli and in Socialism by von Mises.

I don't need to know the wandering thoughts of Klein, she is a lesser intellectual, one of those Hoffer warned us about in The Ordeal of Change, which you should get and read because not only does it describe the path (as outlined in his earlier work The True Believer), but it will remind you of several of the more vile and vociferous posters here, some of them being the ones who tend to attack you the most...

 

[hashtag45]

Awesome references 4est, thanks!

 

[hashtag45]

How we get to a totalitarian state is best explained by Hayek's Road to Serfdom and Peikoff's The Ominous Parallels.

Other noted commentaries on the path are to be found in the writings of Machiavelli and in Socialism by von Mises.

I don't need to know the wandering thoughts of Klein, she is a lesser intellectual, one of those Hoffer warned us about in The Ordeal of Change, which you should get and read because not only does it describe the path (as outlined in his earlier work The True Believer), but it will remind you of several of the more vile and vociferous posters here, some of them being the ones who tend to attack you the most...

Awesome!
I don't have a preference as to what I read (political orientation), as long as they're good.
And I only read the above because I came across their speeches on youtube.

It's just that on one hand there's a plethora of info (massmedia, in schools, colleges and so on) about economics or the R-L of politics. And the other knowledge offered is mostly technical.
At the same time, it's extremely hard to come by sources or names of critical intellectuals that help shape one's understanding and improve one's "critical appraisal skills with regards to politics", so to speak.

I think that this blackout of info is intentional. No Big Brother wants to make it easy for their citizens to make use of such powerful tools.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The shortest and easiest read is Hoffer's "The Ordeal of Change."



The rest are tomes.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

On Economics

It is not one of the sciences. It is a chair in the Sociology Department. It is comprised of the exchanges involved in Human Action [von Mises]. The problem with "Economists" is that there has always been a branch that disbelieves an economy is a trickle up from individual transactions and that economy (and money) is only created by government action and control, i.e., that by providing just the right amount of fiat money, government can create a perfect economy.

 

[underguy1]

How we get to a totalitarian state is best explained by Hayek's Road to Serfdom and Peikoff's The Ominous Parallels.

Other noted commentaries on the path are to be found in the writings of Machiavelli and in Socialism by von Mises.

I don't need to know the wandering thoughts of Klein, she is a lesser intellectual, one of those Hoffer warned us about in The Ordeal of Change, which you should get and read because not only does it describe the path (as outlined in his earlier work The True Believer), but it will remind you of several of the more vile and vociferous posters here, some of them being the ones who tend to attack you the most...

Hahahahahahahaha. Hayek and Mises. Two frauds only surpassed by Rothbard and Rand for talking ridiculous irrational bollocks.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Because this guy has no actual argument, because he lacks the actual mental discipline to build such an argument, he replaces it with ridicule assuming that it makes him look smart, erudite even, when, in fact, it has the opposite effect.

He's never read any of these people.

He doesn't know their arguments.

He does know that if he attempts to tackle the subject, he will out his own ignorance, therefore, he just takes potshots and waits for other non-thinking haters to join in. It's really sad and pathetic that a person such as this can think of himself as educated.

 

[underguy1]

Because this guy has no actual argument, because he lacks the actual mental discipline to build such an argument, he replaces it with ridicule assuming that it makes him look smart, erudite even, when, in fact, it has the opposite effect.

He's never read any of these people.

He doesn't know their arguments.

He does know that if he attempts to tackle the subject, he will out his own ignorance, therefore, he just takes potshots and waits for other non-thinking haters to join in. It's really sad and pathetic that a person such as this can think of himself as educated.

Austrian School economics and neoclassical economics are bunkum. They have obviously fooled you with their voodoo but that's no biggie.

 

[hashtag45]

Hahahahahahahaha. Hayek and Mises. Two frauds only surpassed by Rothbard and Rand for talking ridiculous irrational bollocks.

Ok. so it's good to see where Litsters of different political orientations stand vis a vis certain authors.
What about the other names that he gave, Peikoff and so on?

And would you mind giving the rest of us -who are less knowledgeable about such things- some names and sources too?

((I'm not interested in taking sides in your guys fight, btw. Just interested in sources))

 

[underguy1]

Ok. so it's good to see where Litsters of different political orientations stand vis a vis certain authors.
What about the other names that he gave, Peikoff and so on?

And would you mind giving the rest of us -who are less knowledgeable about such things- some names and sources too?

((I'm not interested in taking sides in your guys fight, btw. Just interested in sources))

Marx, Mitchell-Innes, JS Mill, Keynes, Lerner, Minsky, Wynne Godley, Bill Mitchell.

Should get you started.

That Austrian/Libertarian stuff is nonsense.