How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Fuzzy1975]

Demonic attacks don't mean that I am not a Christian, for they began when I chose to OBEY the Lord and chose to DISOBEY satan. I want you to think about that. God is in a war with satan. Let me tell you more of my story and maybe it will shed more light on what's happening to me. I also intend to write a book about my experiences one day. Would you like me to continue with my story?

Ok and sorry for jumping in here between you two, but reading this last post. I am not christian/religious, and don't believe in the whole heaven/hell ideology.

I have also never been attacked by a Demonic spirit etc. You think that is because the spirits figure I am going to hell anyhow? Even though I actually think I follow the Ten commandments, more so than you?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Ok and sorry for jumping in here between you two, but reading this last post. I am not christian/religious, and don't believe in the whole heaven/hell ideology.

I have also never been attacked by a Demonic spirit etc. You think that is because the spirits figure I am going to hell anyhow? Even though I actually think I follow the Ten commandments, more so than you?

I would say that if a person is already on their way to hell, the devil won't have any reason to attack them. That's not the case 100% of the time, but for the most part, yes.

Friend, the 10 commandments cannot save you because the Bible says that they were given to show us that we are sinners in the first place. You would have to keep them 100% perfectly without ever once messing up to go to heaven that way. No one has ever done that. Since every person has broken at least 1 commandment in their life, they are disqualified for heaven and must go to hell, BUT because Jesus Christ DID keep all of the commandments perfectly He was qualified to die in your place. He died in your place and sacrificed Himself for you so you could go to heaven. All you have to do is give your life to Him and believe that He died and rose again, shedding His blood as a sacrifice for your sins. It's already done for you, all you have to do is put your faith in Him and His sacrifice. Read this first post and pray that prayer at the bottom of it to God from your heart.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I would say that if a person is already on their way to hell, the devil won't have any reason to attack them. That's not the case 100% of the time, but for the most part, yes.

Well if you and people like you reside in heaven when you pass, then I am perfectly fine going to hell.

Friend

The above is a bit overreaching on your part....

Well I can categorically say I am further along towards following them than you are. I do so because it's easy and sort of makes sense....

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Well if you and people like you reside in heaven when you pass, then I am perfectly fine going to hell.




The above is a bit overreaching on your part....

Well I can categorically say I am further along towards following them than you are. I do so because it's easy and sort of makes sense....

I don't follow them at all. They attack me. I attack them and they lose because I have the power of God on my side.

 

[phrodeau]

A button came off my favorite weskit. I blame demons.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So you would have said that to me if I came to you at 18? Sure, I would be interested to know how you got where you are. Maybe when you are done I could share mine.

I would say that to anyone who would try to convince me that demonic attacks don't happen to Christians who are serving the Lord. Anyone who would say that doesn't know what they are talking about. Scripture supports what I have told you, even the one that you used to try to disprove what I have told you. "We wrestle not against flesh and blood"...our real enemy is satan and his demons. If they don't attack you in any way, whether it be through other people, circumstances or straight out oppression like happens to me, then I would question my situation with the Lord because Jesus said that those who follow Him would have tribulation. He didn't' say that life would become a bed of roses when you became a Christian.

Let me ask you something. What does it mean to be a Christian to you?

I have been telling you slowly how I got where I am.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

A button came off my favorite weskit. I blame demons.

I never said that. I am talking about blatant, out in the open demonic attacks, not some button falling off of a shirt.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So you would have said that to me if I came to you at 18? Sure, I would be interested to know how you got where you are. Maybe when you are done I could share mine.

MY STORY CONTINUED------>>>

So, I left that Church and began looking for a new one. I knew that I was not going to stop serving the Lord, even though I wanted to to stop going to Church with everything inside me, I kept going for the Lord. I visited a Church and they were really nice and welcoming, but they said that they were looking for a Worship Leader and I was not ready for that so I didn't go back. Then I looked in the Yellow Pages and found a large Church. I went and began to visit it. I was very depressed because of walking away from everything I had worked toward the last 5 years. As I looked up in this large Church, I thought to myself that they would never want to use someone like me here in this large Church. There would be no room for me. After a few weeks, I was sitting in the pew on a wednesday night Service with my wife. The man told us to open our hymn books to page 405 "Have Faith In God". Normally, I sing, but I was too depressed and didn't sing. My wife opened her book, but I did not. As they began to start singing, out of the corner of my eye, I saw a Spiritual figure of a hand and touched the page and then touched me 3 times. I turned my eyes over to the page and as the song was being sung, their was a finger (Spiritual) that was pointing to every word on the page and God Himself was speaking to me through that song. It was the Holy Spirit.

Here are the lyrics to the song:

Have faith in God when your pathway is lonely.
He sees and knows all the way you have trod;
Never alone are the least of His children;
Have faith in God, have faith in God.

Have faith in God when your prayers are unanswered,
Your earnest plea He will never forget;
Wait on the lord, trust His word and be patient,
Have faith in God. He'll answer yet.

Have faith in God in your pain and your sorrow,
His heart is touched with your grief and despair;
Cast all your cares and your burdens upon Him,
And leave them there, oh, leave them there.

Have faith in God though all else fall about you;
Have faith in God, He provides for His own:
He cannot fail though all kingdoms shall perish.
He rules. He reigns upon His throne.

Refrain:

Have faith in God, He's on His throne,
Have faith in God, He watches over His own;
He cannot fail, He must prevail,
Have faith in God, Have faith in God.

MORE LATER ----->>>>

 

[Tryharder62]

I would say that to anyone who would try to convince me that demonic attacks don't happen to Christians who are serving the Lord. Anyone who would say that doesn't know what they are talking about. Scripture supports what I have told you, even the one that you used to try to disprove what I have told you. "We wrestle not against flesh and blood"...our real enemy is satan and his demons. If they don't attack you in any way, whether it be through other people, circumstances or straight out oppression like happens to me, then I would question my situation with the Lord because Jesus said that those who follow Him would have tribulation. He didn't' say that life would become a bed of roses when you became a Christian.

Let me ask you something. What does it mean to be a Christian to you?

I have been telling you slowly how I got where I am.

You quoted "We wrestle not against flesh and blood, our real enemy is Satan and his demons" I put it in the context of the chapter it was in and it gave it a different message. Let me do it again. You justify your position by saying Jesus said that those who follow Him will have tribulation. What verse did that come from? John 16:33 These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world. It doesn't say that He will overcome the world when he comes again. It says he He has already overcome it. I have to ask you if you are getting these pieces of verses out of the 20 books of your Deliverance Minister or from the bible?

Don't get me wrong, I believe in demons and angels. I think right now there is a struggle between good and evil, lightness and darkness. I believe the bible tells us that we don't have to be consumed by it if our focus is in the right place.

This is how I go about things. 1eter 3:15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.

So what do I truthfully think of you? I think you have a genuine love for Jesus Christ. I think you live your life and talk to others so you can spread the word. I just worry about the content of your message. If all I had in my time of trial was the message you have laid down here, I have to be honest, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I would have ended things at 18.

You have the gift of tenacity. You are determined and can keep a stimulating conversation going. Please just think about the message you want to deliver. I have no doubt that you could do great things if you did.

What does it mean for me to be a Christian? I have really been thinking about this. I decided that I would write two posts. One on my view of Christ and One that will finish my story.

 

[Tryharder62]

Let me ask you something. What does it mean to be a Christian to you?

My thoughts about Christ:

I've been able to talk to a lot of people about Christ. Many people do believe that there was a man on earth named Jesus Christ and that He died on the cross. There is evidence in the bible and outside the bible. I had a very good New Years Eve this year. One of my sons didn't have a girlfriend and just wanted to veg and watch the New Years come in on TV. It was really cool to watch the year 2020 AD come in all over the world. Have you ever really looked at what the BC and AD mean behind the year? (“B.C.” stands for the English phrase “before Christ,” but “A.D.” stands confusingly for a Latin phrase: anno domini (“in the year of the Lord”—the year Jesus was born). So it has been 2020 years since Jesus was born. There are things like that.

So what is in dispute? It all comes down to this -Was he who he said he was? Was he divine? Well we could sit here and debate that until the end of time. I cannot answer all the questions that bring doubt. Some people think that when Jesus was in the tomb the apostles or soldiers came and carried him away. The problem with this is that there is nothing anywhere that corroborates this. We have no body. We have no evidence that this even happened. Some people think that Jesus was resurrected. (Me) There is eye witness testimony in the bible but not outside of it. I can't bring Jesus here to testify.

So that is the end of the story right? No. I told you I like mysteries. I enjoy J. Warner Wallace a homicide detective that looked at the gospels as if it were a cold case. This is what he said about about evidence and reasonable doubt.

https://coldcasechristianity.com/vi...-between-possible-and-reasonable-doubt-video/

So I have looked at evidence and I believe that Jesus is who he said he was. There is also a little thing called faith. Each of us has a choice.

His message is worth looking at. The end of my story later.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

You quoted "We wrestle not against flesh and blood, our real enemy is Satan and his demons" I put it in the context of the chapter it was in and it gave it a different message. Let me do it again. You justify your position by saying Jesus said that those who follow Him will have tribulation. What verse did that come from? John 16:33 These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world. It doesn't say that He will overcome the world when he comes again. It says he He has already overcome it. I have to ask you if you are getting these pieces of verses out of the 20 books of your Deliverance Minister or from the bible?

Don't get me wrong, I believe in demons and angels. I think right now there is a struggle between good and evil, lightness and darkness. I believe the bible tells us that we don't have to be consumed by it if our focus is in the right place.

This is how I go about things. 1eter 3:15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.

So what do I truthfully think of you? I think you have a genuine love for Jesus Christ. I think you live your life and talk to others so you can spread the word. I just worry about the content of your message. If all I had in my time of trial was the message you have laid down here, I have to be honest, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I would have ended things at 18.

You have the gift of tenacity. You are determined and can keep a stimulating conversation going. Please just think about the message you want to deliver. I have no doubt that you could do great things if you did.

What does it mean for me to be a Christian? I have really been thinking about this. I decided that I would write two posts. One on my view of Christ and One that will finish my story.

I shouldn't have to prove to a Christian that those genuinely in the faith and preaching the Biblical truth shall have tribulation in this life. It's NOT going to be easy for Christians who live unto the Lord.

I use the SAME verse you used to prove my point. You are missing the context of these verses.

Joh 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

The 'peace' that will come is a peace with God from within and the peace in this physical world will not come until after the Lord physically sets up His Kingdom here on the earth. Until then, there will be tribulation.

Oh come on, no I am not getting this from the Deliverance Minister. I am getting them from 40 years of studying Scripture. Don't you believe the Bible when it talks about Demons and when Jesus and the Disciples battle them?

Where does the Bible say not to be consumed with them? Also, I am not consumed with them either.

Ok well, I am answering your questions, but it's frustrating to try and explain to a Christian that this life is not supposed to be easy after they obtain salvation and that demons really do attack people, especially Christians.

The content of my message is based on what the Bible actually says, not what a feel good preacher such as Joel Osteen says. You will have to be more specific about your assertions and use Bible verses to prove your point. What issues do you have with this first post? Or are your issues with my Testimony? Because my oppression comes from my calling, it doesn't mean that all Christians experience this level of persecution from the enemy.

What I meant to ask was How does one become a genuine, born again Christian?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

My thoughts about Christ:

I've been able to talk to a lot of people about Christ. Many people do believe that there was a man on earth named Jesus Christ and that He died on the cross. There is evidence in the bible and outside the bible. I had a very good New Years Eve this year. One of my sons didn't have a girlfriend and just wanted to veg and watch the New Years come in on TV. It was really cool to watch the year 2020 AD come in all over the world. Have you ever really looked at what the BC and AD mean behind the year? (“B.C.” stands for the English phrase “before Christ,” but “A.D.” stands confusingly for a Latin phrase: anno domini (“in the year of the Lord”—the year Jesus was born). So it has been 2020 years since Jesus was born. There are things like that.

So what is in dispute? It all comes down to this -Was he who he said he was? Was he divine? Well we could sit here and debate that until the end of time. I cannot answer all the questions that bring doubt. Some people think that when Jesus was in the tomb the apostles or soldiers came and carried him away. The problem with this is that there is nothing anywhere that corroborates this. We have no body. We have no evidence that this even happened. Some people think that Jesus was resurrected. (Me) There is eye witness testimony in the bible but not outside of it. I can't bring Jesus here to testify.

So that is the end of the story right? No. I told you I like mysteries. I enjoy J. Warner Wallace a homicide detective that looked at the gospels as if it were a cold case. This is what he said about about evidence and reasonable doubt.

https://coldcasechristianity.com/vi...-between-possible-and-reasonable-doubt-video/

So I have looked at evidence and I believe that Jesus is who he said he was. There is also a little thing called faith. Each of us has a choice.

His message is worth looking at. The end of my story later.

I have read this and it's all fine and everything. I disagree with a couple of things. I do believe that there is historical evidence outside of the Bible regarding the Resurrection of Christ, but...

What I meant to ask was How does one become a genuine, born again Christian? This is the Paramount, most important question of all.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

CONTINUING MY STORY----->>>>

As I said before, The man told us to open our hymn books to page 405 "Have Faith In God". Normally, I sing, but I was too depressed and didn't sing. My wife opened her book, but I did not. As they began to start singing, out of the corner of my eye, I saw a Spiritual figure of a hand and touched the page and then touched me 3 times. I turned my eyes over to the page and as the song was being sung, their was a finger (Spiritual) that was pointing to every word on the page and God Himself was speaking to me through that song.

The very next service was on a Sunday Morning. The Praise Band was playing a song entitled "He Who Began A Good Work In You" and the SAME thing happened. I felt the Lord speaking to me through that song and I knew that this was the Church that God wanted me to join. When I looked up the lyrics to the full version, every word spoke of my situation. In the night, spoke to my oppression. Here are the lyrics to the other song based on Phil 1:6.


He Who Began a Good Work in You
Steve Green Jon Mohr
Philippians 1: 6

He Who Began A Good Work In You
He Who Began A Good Work In You
Will be faithful to complete it
He'll be faithful to complete it
He who started the work
Will be faithful to complete it in you

If the struggle you're facing
Is slowly replacing your hope
With despair
Or the process is long
And you're losing your song
In the night
You can be sure that the Lord
Has His hand on you
Safe and secure
He will never abandon you
You are His treasure
And He finds His pleasure in you

I decided to join the Church. I sat in the pews for about 6 months and just rested. I attended all of the Services available. One week I sang in front of the Church and the Pastor's wife told me she wanted me on the Praise Band. At that same time, the man who conducts the Hymns for the last 35 years came up to me out of the blue and told me that he has to move down to Tennessee to take care of his mother and that he wants me to take over. So, in one week I was put on the Praise Band and the Hymns. After 1 week, the Worship Leader of the Praise Band, who was a DJ on the radio and had been doing it for 8 years told me that he had a job promotion and had to move to Washington DC for a year. The Music Director looked at me and said "You are the Worship Leader". God opened those doors and put me there. I didn't do any of it.


MORE LATER---->>>>

 

[Tryharder62]

I shouldn't have to prove to a Christian that those genuinely in the faith and preaching the Biblical truth shall have tribulation in this life. It's NOT going to be easy for Christians who live unto the Lord.

I use the SAME verse you used to prove my point. You are missing the context of these verses.

Joh 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

The 'peace' that will come is a peace with God from within and the peace in this physical world will not come until after the Lord physically sets up His Kingdom here on the earth. Until then, there will be tribulation.

Oh come on, no I am not getting this from the Deliverance Minister. I am getting them from 40 years of studying Scripture. Don't you believe the Bible when it talks about Demons and when Jesus and the Disciples battle them?

Where does the Bible say not to be consumed with them? Also, I am not consumed with them either.

Ok well, I am answering your questions, but it's frustrating to try and explain to a Christian that this life is not supposed to be easy after they obtain salvation and that demons really do attack people, especially Christians.

The content of my message is based on what the Bible actually says, not what a feel good preacher such as Joel Osteen says. You will have to be more specific about your assertions and use Bible verses to prove your point. What issues do you have with this first post? Or are your issues with my Testimony? Because my oppression comes from my calling, it doesn't mean that all Christians experience this level of persecution from the enemy.

What I meant to ask was How does one become a genuine, born again Christian?

I will just continue to believe that this:
John 16:33 “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

Means this:
John 16:33 “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

You ask : Don't you believe the Bible when it talks about Demons and when Jesus and the Disciples battle them?
Absolutely, I believe it! They battle them but what happens? They show us how to defeat them. You talked about the powers and authorities before. Colossians 2:15, NIV: "And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross." ... Colossians 2:15

You ask :What issues do you have with this first post? I really don't know what post you are talking about. I have said many times that I am concerned about your message which is clear in your testimony.

You ask :What I meant to ask was How does one become a genuine, born again Christian? I will finish my story in the next post and tell you.

Had to chuckle about Joel Olsteen. Not into prosperity ministries either. Good try though.

 

[Tryharder62]

I have read this and it's all fine and everything. I disagree with a couple of things. I do believe that there is historical evidence outside of the Bible regarding the Resurrection of Christ, but...

What I meant to ask was How does one become a genuine, born again Christian? This is the Paramount, most important question of all.

So here is the rest of the story.

Really it was rough from about 6th grade until 12th grade There was another source of violence in my home. My sister was married and my brother had joined the Navy. He was on leave when I was 18 and that happened. I never told anybody.

Got away from it. Excited to go to college in nursing. When you are in a situation like I was you kind of go into autopilot. Once you get out, if you take yourself off of autopilot and you don't know how to fly, you crash. That's what happened. Xfrodo, I was almost hysterically crying. Laying on my bed. Contemplating life and death. Basically in this moment I felt that the request didn't come from my mouth or my thoughts but from my heart. I will answer the question you are really asking me at the end.

So I married one of the people that talked to me about Jesus. Perfect right? Everything rosey? Not! Turns out that when two people with a lot of baggage get married it takes awhile to unpack and put everything away. We will be married 32 years this year. I think we might just be about done. LOL

I would go through everything in my life ten times over to have the sons I have. Are they perfect...Not! Have we had our ups and downs....Yep! Just the thought that I had anything to do with those two amazing young men.....

My oldest son is in college to be a Pastor. He is so tenderhearted. He would always come home from high school trying to help one kid or another who was having a tough time. He was home this last weekend. We had an in depth discussion. He has his internship this coming summer and they offered to pay his way for a mission trip to Belize. Is that cool or what.

My youngest is in college on his way to becoming a High School English Teacher. He hasn't met a person he can't talk to. We just took him to college last fall and we came up 2 weeks later to watch him play in the marching band. There wasn't a group of students that we walked by that didn't have someone saying Hi to Josh. We live in the Midwest USA. Pretty soon, on his spring break, he is going down south for a week long mission trip.

What do I do? I am a Faith Community nurse. You can google that if you want to know more. Basically I work for a local hospital and a church. I am stationed in a church and do community nursing. People can come to me with their health problems and I can navigate them through the system. I go to hospitals to see if people have what they need when they get home. I visit nursing homes and the home bound. I provide programs like a foot clinic to help the elderly who can't cut their toenails anymore. I seem to take blood pressures everywhere. I help with a grief support group and a support group for people who have family members who are mentally ill. We also started a women's support group. I bring in health speakers for education. The list goes on.

I don't say all this to toot my own horn. I am telling you what Jesus has done in my life with his message of peace, hope, and love.

I love music...probably no one listens but this is my testimony in the first two minutes of this song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HAngC4bFlI

A genuine Christian is a person who loves the Lord with all their hearts and souls and minds and spread his message of peace, hope and love. I know what you are asking. Ironically, I believe your opening post for the most part.

So my story is at today! I've been thinking about it all since this thread started. I plan to just keep on keeping on with Jesus. Sorry so long.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I will just continue to believe that this:
John 16:33 “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

Means this:
John 16:33 “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

You ask : Don't you believe the Bible when it talks about Demons and when Jesus and the Disciples battle them?
Absolutely, I believe it! They battle them but what happens? They show us how to defeat them. You talked about the powers and authorities before. Colossians 2:15, NIV: "And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross." ... Colossians 2:15

You ask :What issues do you have with this first post? I really don't know what post you are talking about. I have said many times that I am concerned about your message which is clear in your testimony.

You ask :What I meant to ask was How does one become a genuine, born again Christian? I will finish my story in the next post and tell you.

Had to chuckle about Joel Olsteen. Not into prosperity ministries either. Good try though.

In the very verse you quoted: John 16:33 "...In this world you will have trouble..."

But then it goes on the say to "take heart" because why? "I have overcome the World".

See, we aren't promised an easy life in THIS life, but because Christ overcame the world we will have a great existence in the Kingdom, after this life.

What I asked you is if you have read the very first post in this thread that I posted that gives the Gospel and what your thoughts are about it. I don't think you know what my message is if you haven't read the first post in this thread.

I look forward to you finishing your story.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So here is the rest of the story.

Really it was rough from about 6th grade until 12th grade There was another source of violence in my home. My sister was married and my brother had joined the Navy. He was on leave when I was 18 and that happened. I never told anybody.

Got away from it. Excited to go to college in nursing. When you are in a situation like I was you kind of go into autopilot. Once you get out, if you take yourself off of autopilot and you don't know how to fly, you crash. That's what happened. Xfrodo, I was almost hysterically crying. Laying on my bed. Contemplating life and death. Basically in this moment I felt that the request didn't come from my mouth or my thoughts but from my heart. I will answer the question you are really asking me at the end.

So I married one of the people that talked to me about Jesus. Perfect right? Everything rosey? Not! Turns out that when two people with a lot of baggage get married it takes awhile to unpack and put everything away. We will be married 32 years this year. I think we might just be about done. LOL

I would go through everything in my life ten times over to have the sons I have. Are they perfect...Not! Have we had our ups and downs....Yep! Just the thought that I had anything to do with those two amazing young men.....

My oldest son is in college to be a Pastor. He is so tenderhearted. He would always come home from high school trying to help one kid or another who was having a tough time. He was home this last weekend. We had an in depth discussion. He has his internship this coming summer and they offered to pay his way for a mission trip to Belize. Is that cool or what.

My youngest is in college on his way to becoming a High School English Teacher. He hasn't met a person he can't talk to. We just took him to college last fall and we came up 2 weeks later to watch him play in the marching band. There wasn't a group of students that we walked by that didn't have someone saying Hi to Josh. We live in the Midwest USA. Pretty soon, on his spring break, he is going down south for a week long mission trip.

What do I do? I am a Faith Community nurse. You can google that if you want to know more. Basically I work for a local hospital and a church. I am stationed in a church and do community nursing. People can come to me with their health problems and I can navigate them through the system. I go to hospitals to see if people have what they need when they get home. I visit nursing homes and the home bound. I provide programs like a foot clinic to help the elderly who can't cut their toenails anymore. I seem to take blood pressures everywhere. I help with a grief support group and a support group for people who have family members who are mentally ill. We also started a women's support group. I bring in health speakers for education. The list goes on.

I don't say all this to toot my own horn. I am telling you what Jesus has done in my life with his message of peace, hope, and love.

I love music...probably no one listens but this is my testimony in the first two minutes of this song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HAngC4bFlI

A genuine Christian is a person who loves the Lord with all their hearts and souls and minds and spread his message of peace, hope and love. I know what you are asking. Ironically, I believe your opening post for the most part.

So my story is at today! I've been thinking about it all since this thread started. I plan to just keep on keeping on with Jesus. Sorry so long.

That's a good song and I have heard it many times. I remember him when he was on American Idol.

You said "I never told anybody" but I am not sure what you meant by that.

Also, I understand baggage and marrying someone with baggage, Both my wife and I had rocky pasts. She was a foster child and went through hell. I think God allows us to go through these things to mold us into better people and to teach us to rely on Him and grow in our faith.

A true Christian places their FAITH in Christ alone for Salvation, believing in their heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead, shedding His blood as a Sacrifice for their sins. That's what the Bible says, it's not my words:

Ro 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Ro 10:13 For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved."


"The Gospel" is spelled out the same way and it is The Gospel that saves a soul. Nothing else can save:

1Co 15:1 ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. {keep...: or, hold fast} {what: Gr. by what speech}
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. {one...: or, an abortive}
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

I do have a question for you. I know why I am here on a Porn site to witness and spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to those who will listen. Why are you here?

 

[Tryharder62]

That's a good song and I have heard it many times. I remember him when he was on American Idol.

You said "I never told anybody" but I am not sure what you meant by that.

Also, I understand baggage and marrying someone with baggage, Both my wife and I had rocky pasts. She was a foster child and went through hell. I think God allows us to go through these things to mold us into better people and to teach us to rely on Him and grow in our faith.

A true Christian places their FAITH in Christ alone for Salvation, believing in their heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead, shedding His blood as a Sacrifice for their sins. That's what the Bible says, it's not my words:

Ro 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Ro 10:13 For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved."


"The Gospel" is spelled out the same way and it is The Gospel that saves a soul. Nothing else can save:

1Co 15:1 ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. {keep...: or, hold fast} {what: Gr. by what speech}
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. {one...: or, an abortive}
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

I do have a question for you. I know why I am here on a Porn site to witness and spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to those who will listen. Why are you here?

Wow, that is what you took from my story? Ok, well I never told anybody that I was raped by my brother when he was too stoned and drunk to know it was me. Sometimes there are things you still work through for the rest your life. It's really is anonymous here.

Yep-we believe the same thing that I put in bold in your above message. I am just concerned when we give a person a prayer and say if they repeat it they are saved. I went to a slumber party one night and it was actually a church event and I did not know it. I was the only non-Christian there and they handed me a piece of paper. My friend told me I was supposed to go upstairs and pray this and I would be saved and wouldn't be sent to hell. I did not want to go there, so I said the prayer, whatever it was suppose to mean, and there was rejoicing that I was saved. I literally had no clue what all that meant. I have no doubt that Jesus heard my anguish and knew my heart when I was saved even when I couldn't say all the words perfectly. I have repeated the prayer and believe what it says.

Read the verses you posted after the bold. True yes, but put yourself in the shoes of someone who knows relatively nothing about Jesus and those verses are a bunch of goobly gook.

I get pm's on and off about why I am a Christian on a porn board. I send back this message which is the truth:

Long story short, I had things happen in my youth that, to be honest, made me a little awkward particularly among men. I wanted nothing to do with sex after it. I did meet my husband and got married when I was 22. Well fast forward. I have always wanted to write a book for Harlequin love inspired (Christian). So one day I googled how to write a romance. One of the things that popped up was literotica. So I came on and read some of the stories. WOW, I had not heard of all that. I read for awhile and then tried the boards. Let me tell you if you are a woman on here you get a lot of attention at first. I think one of the first things I did was to write a nasty personal ad. Sometimes you just want to f*ck. I had curse words in some of my new threads. Looking back a lot of it probably what people do in their youth. It went to my head. I think I have done everything that could be done on the computer and some on the phone. I ended up giving my husband my password and let him look at everything I had done.

Just wanted you to know. If you really want to ask spiritual questions around sex maybe address them in the thread. Privately I don't talk about sex or politics. Politics because I simply get enough of it at home. My husband can be obsessed.

So, Xfrodo, are you questioning my Christianity?

 

[Tryharder62]

CONTINUING MY STORY----->>>>

As I said before, The man told us to open our hymn books to page 405 "Have Faith In God". Normally, I sing, but I was too depressed and didn't sing. My wife opened her book, but I did not. As they began to start singing, out of the corner of my eye, I saw a Spiritual figure of a hand and touched the page and then touched me 3 times. I turned my eyes over to the page and as the song was being sung, their was a finger (Spiritual) that was pointing to every word on the page and God Himself was speaking to me through that song.

The very next service was on a Sunday Morning. The Praise Band was playing a song entitled "He Who Began A Good Work In You" and the SAME thing happened. I felt the Lord speaking to me through that song and I knew that this was the Church that God wanted me to join. When I looked up the lyrics to the full version, every word spoke of my situation. In the night, spoke to my oppression. Here are the lyrics to the other song based on Phil 1:6.


He Who Began a Good Work in You
Steve Green Jon Mohr
Philippians 1: 6

He Who Began A Good Work In You
He Who Began A Good Work In You
Will be faithful to complete it
He'll be faithful to complete it
He who started the work
Will be faithful to complete it in you

If the struggle you're facing
Is slowly replacing your hope
With despair
Or the process is long
And you're losing your song
In the night
You can be sure that the Lord
Has His hand on you
Safe and secure
He will never abandon you
You are His treasure
And He finds His pleasure in you

I decided to join the Church. I sat in the pews for about 6 months and just rested. I attended all of the Services available. One week I sang in front of the Church and the Pastor's wife told me she wanted me on the Praise Band. At that same time, the man who conducts the Hymns for the last 35 years came up to me out of the blue and told me that he has to move down to Tennessee to take care of his mother and that he wants me to take over. So, in one week I was put on the Praise Band and the Hymns. After 1 week, the Worship Leader of the Praise Band, who was a DJ on the radio and had been doing it for 8 years told me that he had a job promotion and had to move to Washington DC for a year. The Music Director looked at me and said "You are the Worship Leader". God opened those doors and put me there. I didn't do any of it.


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That is really great. It sounds like you have a genuine gift that is easily recognized. I bet you have an amazing voice. I know music means a lot to me. I hope you find comfort and joy in it as well.

 

[SusanHaack]

I went back to the church and somehow I didn't know that I could sing, but I became the song leader, Jr. high teacher, Worship Leader of the Praise band, lot's of things. This church prints of millions of gospel tracts (little booklets that tell people how to get to heaven) I feel a burden in my heart to pass out tracts and tell as many people about Jesus Christ as I can. When I began doing so, I would have horrific experiences that I cannot fully explain. Many times Demonic forces would attack me all night. I remember one time I felt a very strong spiritual presence in my room. It was so strong that I was tormented by it. I felt these creatures biting me in the stomach. Then they showed themselves to me. I saw 3 animals that looked kind of like far-rats that were showing their teeth to me. Then I saw three that looked like men, but their faces were different. Then I saw a giant one that was about 15 feet tall. He was so large that his head took up my entire field of vision when he put his face in mine. I saw his mouth move and it was so big he could have bitten my head off. I felt more and more enter my room and the pressure got stronger and stronger. I told the Lord that I was at the end of my rope and if He didn't help me that I was going to lose control and start screaming. Right as I got to the end of my rope, I asked for a legion ed of angels. Right then, I felt fighting going on all around me and a few minutes later I felt the air clear and I could sleep. God sent me the angels to fight in my behalf. The Lord is good and I can't bless Him enough for saving me that day.

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That's some pretty powerful lsd you're candy flipping. Care to hook me up? Who's your dealer?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Wow, that is what you took from my story? Ok, well I never told anybody that I was raped by my brother when he was too stoned and drunk to know it was me. Sometimes there are things you still work through for the rest your life. It's really is anonymous here.

Yep-we believe the same thing that I put in bold in your above message. I am just concerned when we give a person a prayer and say if they repeat it they are saved. I went to a slumber party one night and it was actually a church event and I did not know it. I was the only non-Christian there and they handed me a piece of paper. My friend told me I was supposed to go upstairs and pray this and I would be saved and wouldn't be sent to hell. I did not want to go there, so I said the prayer, whatever it was suppose to mean, and there was rejoicing that I was saved. I literally had no clue what all that meant. I have no doubt that Jesus heard my anguish and knew my heart when I was saved even when I couldn't say all the words perfectly. I have repeated the prayer and believe what it says.

Read the verses you posted after the bold. True yes, but put yourself in the shoes of someone who knows relatively nothing about Jesus and those verses are a bunch of goobly gook.

I get pm's on and off about why I am a Christian on a porn board. I send back this message which is the truth:

Long story short, I had things happen in my youth that, to be honest, made me a little awkward particularly among men. I wanted nothing to do with sex after it. I did meet my husband and got married when I was 22. Well fast forward. I have always wanted to write a book for Harlequin love inspired (Christian). So one day I googled how to write a romance. One of the things that popped up was literotica. So I came on and read some of the stories. WOW, I had not heard of all that. I read for awhile and then tried the boards. Let me tell you if you are a woman on here you get a lot of attention at first. I think one of the first things I did was to write a nasty personal ad. Sometimes you just want to f*ck. I had curse words in some of my new threads. Looking back a lot of it probably what people do in their youth. It went to my head. I think I have done everything that could be done on the computer and some on the phone. I ended up giving my husband my password and let him look at everything I had done.

Just wanted you to know. If you really want to ask spiritual questions around sex maybe address them in the thread. Privately I don't talk about sex or politics. Politics because I simply get enough of it at home. My husband can be obsessed.

So, Xfrodo, are you questioning my Christianity?

First of all, I want to say how sorry I am that that happened to you. That would be traumatic for anyone. I hope your brother knows what he has done. Yes, keep your anonymity.

I agree with you that a mere "Prayer" cannot save a person UNLESS it is done in FAITH. Romans 10:9,10-13 sums it up. The prayer I post contains what that verse says, but it must be done in faith to God. It can't be mere empty words.
The first post in this thread explains the gospel as clearly as I am able to explain it. Remember that it is the Gospel that saves, so when Paul declares the Gospel in the Bible, we need to pay attention to what he is saying. Romans 10:19,10-13 also spells out the Gospel and it is my favorite passage to use.

As far as coming to the site. I would wonder if you actually met with people from here and how your husband responded when he found out. The most traumatic thing you can do to a man is give yourself to another. I am not sure that you are saying that or not, but I think it's something to think about. It ruins relationships and even if you stay together it can never be the same level of intimacy again that you had before.

I am not sure what you mean about Spiritual questions about sex. Scripturally, we all should know that it's a sin to have sex outside of marriage. Lust and porn are also sins. I don't go around preaching to people about it here because I realize that that isn't going to reach anyone.

Am I questioning your salvation? I don't take it for granted when people tell me that they are a Christian because many people believe that they are saved when they aren't, but I am not God and I can't judge to say who is or is not saved. I can say that a True Christian believes the Gospel and places their faith in Christ and His Sacrifice.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

MY STORY CONTINUED------>>>>

When I was in Church, a woman was in the distance. She was the most beautiful woman that I had ever seen. She began to flirt with me, but I am married. Every time I went to Church, she was there. I coudln't avoid her. I joined a Sunday School Class with my wife and she saw that we were in there and joined the class too. She befriended my wife. I tried to stay away from her. This went on for around 7 years. I knew that satan was trying to tempt me to sleep with her and so I stayed away from her, but I was VERY attracted to her. One day a voice came to me at night and asked if I wanted her. I was a bit confused and had been for many years. I knew I desired to get to know her better so I said "Yes". Then the next morning the same thing happened and I answered "Yes". Right at that moment it was as if I was in a court room and had just convicted myself. I heard gasps. Then I heard that girl's mother whom I knew and that had died a few years earlier. She began to yell at me and say "You will never be with MY daughter..." I had no idea what was going on. About a week later, I got really bad diarriah and I took an antibiotic. About 4 days later I was sitting on the couch and I went blind, I was confused, I had horrible anxiety and my body was going haywire. I cried out to God "Lord, why is this happening to me"? Then He said "I'm trying to teach you something"! When my wife came home she found me all confused and out of it. My life was changed from then on because my health would never be the same. So much happened I cannot list here and now. A few months later, I was at home and I heard God's voice over my head and He said "What do you want"? Then I took a week to think it over. I made a list and I read it to Him. There were 10 things that I asked for. 1) Put God first in my life. 2) Good relationship with my wife and kids. 3) I asked for a very large ministry and a special way He could fund it. 4) Wisdom and there were other things I won't list. As soon as I read them to Him He said "So you want more responsibility, but before you can be given more responsibility you have to show yourself FAITHFUL with what you have". Then I asked "Lord what do YOU want"? Then I went into my room to take a nap. When I did, I fell into a deep sleep and God gave me visions. They were very very vivid and unusually clear. The first was of my Parents. The second was a friend of mine who is in a religious cult. He spoke and demons flew out of his mouth and attacked me. He preaches the doctrines of demons alluded to in the Bible. Then He held me by my feet and showed me a hole in the earth as I was hanging upside down. Demons were flying up at me trying to grab me and pull me down, but before they could get to me He would cause me to dodge them. Then I began to wake up and as I did, I heard Him say "Be content, Be appropriate, I'm rebooting you, Let her go, Go easy on that". Then my physical body began to wake up and as it was I asked Him what that last vision meant. I was concerned because it was of hell. He said "We are in a battle", then I repeated the question, "But what does that mean Lord", then He repeated His answer "We are in a battle." By this time I had my eyes open in my bed.
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[Tryharder62]

First of all, I want to say how sorry I am that that happened to you. That would be traumatic for anyone. I hope your brother knows what he has done. Yes, keep your anonymity.

I agree with you that a mere "Prayer" cannot save a person UNLESS it is done in FAITH. Romans 10:9,10-13 sums it up. The prayer I post contains what that verse says, but it must be done in faith to God. It can't be mere empty words.
The first post in this thread explains the gospel as clearly as I am able to explain it. Remember that it is the Gospel that saves, so when Paul declares the Gospel in the Bible, we need to pay attention to what he is saying. Romans 10:19,10-13 also spells out the Gospel and it is my favorite passage to use.

As far as coming to the site. I would wonder if you actually met with people from here and how your husband responded when he found out. The most traumatic thing you can do to a man is give yourself to another. I am not sure that you are saying that or not, but I think it's something to think about. It ruins relationships and even if you stay together it can never be the same level of intimacy again that you had before.

I am not sure what you mean about Spiritual questions about sex. Scripturally, we all should know that it's a sin to have sex outside of marriage. Lust and porn are also sins. I don't go around preaching to people about it here because I realize that that isn't going to reach anyone.

Am I questioning your salvation? I don't take it for granted when people tell me that they are a Christian because many people believe that they are saved when they aren't, but I am not God and I can't judge to say who is or is not saved. I can say that a True Christian believes the Gospel and places their faith in Christ and His Sacrifice.

I can also say that a true Christian believes the Gospel and places their faith in Christ and his sacrifice. However, I am not perfect. Have you not made any mistakes?

I did not meet with anyone from on here but I talked to them online and by e-mails, phone. Same difference. It wasn't the best days of our marriage but my husband forgave me. My husband has a temper. If he doesn't get his way he literally throws a temper tantrum and makes life miserable. It's the most traumatic thing to even hint at for this wife. He does not get along with one of our sons. We separated for a couple weeks until we could get counseling. We work on it. Our intimacy is better than before all this. It's the baggage I was talking about. Don't you think I have thought about all this?

My brother did not remember it. Luckily he was in the navy and then he never lived near our area again. When my father passed and my brother came home, I allowed him to stay at my parents house before we all had an opportunity to go through it. I pretty much did everything for my folks so it was my decision. He stole from the house. I called him and told him if he didn't bring the stuff back I was going to call the police. Long story short he is not talking to me because I made that threat. How crazy is that. Sounds good to me.

Yes I know that adultery, lust and porn are a sin. That is why I don't discuss it in private. If someone wants to bring it up in the thread that is up to them. I am still here, but for a different reason then you. I really like the people here. I tried to go and discuss this topic on other sites and it doesn't even come close. In the first 5000 posts of this conversation I even talked to someone in the thread about leaving because of a really offensive thread that was made about Jesus. I decided to stay, but that is why I have Goodbye Girl above my bull dog beauty. lol I tell you the people on here are smart. I really enjoy the conversation. This place used to be a lot different than it is now. When I first came there were 1 or 2 posts on politics and 1 or 2 picture threads. Otherwise there were some really funny posts. I remember laughing until my side hurts. Quick snarky comebacks.

I am not putting you down for always having been a Christian. My boys were both young when they asked Jesus into their heart. They, like you, reaffirmed it when they got older. I do have to say that maybe people like me appreciate it a little bit different since we remember what it was like without it. Very thankful to God for healing the broken-hearted and bandaging our wounds. (Psalm 147:3)

 

[Tryharder62]

MY STORY CONTINUED------>>>>

When I was in Church, a woman was in the distance. She was the most beautiful woman that I had ever seen. She began to flirt with me, but I am married. Every time I went to Church, she was there. I coudln't avoid her. I joined a Sunday School Class with my wife and she saw that we were in there and joined the class too. She befriended my wife. I tried to stay away from her. This went on for around 7 years. I knew that satan was trying to tempt me to sleep with her and so I stayed away from her, but I was VERY attracted to her. One day a voice came to me at night and asked if I wanted her. I was a bit confused and had been for many years. I knew I desired to get to know her better so I said "Yes". Then the next morning the same thing happened and I answered "Yes". Right at that moment it was as if I was in a court room and had just convicted myself. I heard gasps. Then I heard that girl's mother whom I knew and that had died a few years earlier. She began to yell at me and say "You will never be with MY daughter..." I had no idea what was going on. About a week later, I got really bad diarriah and I took an antibiotic. About 4 days later I was sitting on the couch and I went blind, I was confused, I had horrible anxiety and my body was going haywire. I cried out to God "Lord, why is this happening to me"? Then He said "I'm trying to teach you something"! When my wife came home she found me all confused and out of it. My life was changed from then on because my health would never be the same. So much happened I cannot list here and now. A few months later, I was at home and I heard God's voice over my head and He said "What do you want"? Then I took a week to think it over. I made a list and I read it to Him. There were 10 things that I asked for. 1) Put God first in my life. 2) Good relationship with my wife and kids. 3) I asked for a very large ministry and a special way He could fund it. 4) Wisdom and there were other things I won't list. As soon as I read them to Him He said "So you want more responsibility, but before you can be given more responsibility you have to show yourself FAITHFUL with what you have". Then I asked "Lord what do YOU want"? Then I went into my room to take a nap. When I did, I fell into a deep sleep and God gave me visions. They were very very vivid and unusually clear. The first was of my Parents. The second was a friend of mine who is in a religious cult. He spoke and demons flew out of his mouth and attacked me. He preaches the doctrines of demons alluded to in the Bible. Then He held me by my feet and showed me a hole in the earth as I was hanging upside down. Demons were flying up at me trying to grab me and pull me down, but before they could get to me He would cause me to dodge them. Then I began to wake up and as I did, I heard Him say "Be content, Be appropriate, I'm rebooting you, Let her go, Go easy on that". Then my physical body began to wake up and as it was I asked Him what that last vision meant. I was concerned because it was of hell. He said "We are in a battle", then I repeated the question, "But what does that mean Lord", then He repeated His answer "We are in a battle." By this time I had my eyes open in my bed.
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When I first came on lit I had a good friend. We talked about anything and everything. That went on for awhile and then he told me he was very sick and was going to be hospitalized. For the next 2 months I sent him encouraging e-cards, pictures, memes and jokes. We talked a couple of times a day and he would tell me about his treatments and we would talk about how he was doing. I didn't hear from him for 4 days. Then I got an e-mail from his brother. He said he was just contacting people on his brother's e-mail list to let them know that he had died. I was crushed. Cried for my friend. Then I was on the boards and someone else mentioned his screen name. He was doing similar things to a lot of people. He is still on the board using a different name but that name I do not know.

I am very good at seeing the truth about people in person but on here not so much. This is a writing website. Am I being punked again?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I am very good at seeing the truth about people in person but on here not so much. This is a writing website. Am I being punked again?

Truth, and online boards, I don't think there is whole lot there...